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UFC 97 Redemption (4/18 Montreal) card line-up
By Zach Arnold | April 18, 2009
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PPV, 10 PM EST
Venue: Bell Centre in Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Dark matches
- Lightweights (155 pounds): Sam Stout vs. Matt Wiman
- Welterweights (170 pounds): Ryo Chonan vs. TJ Grant
- Lightweights (155 pounds): Mark Bocek vs. David Bielkheden
- Middleweights (185 pounds): David Loiseau vs. Ed Herman
- Middleweights (185 pounds): Jason MacDonald vs. Nate Quarry
- Middleweights (185 pounds): Denis Kang vs. Xavier Foupa-Pokam (France)
Main card
- Light Heavyweights (205 pounds): Steve Cantwell vs. Luiz Cane
- Heavyweights (206-265 pounds): Cheick Kongo vs. Antoni Hardonk
- Light Heavyweights (205 pounds): Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Brian Stann
- Light Heavyweights (205 pounds): Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Shogun
- Middleweights (185 pounds): Anderson Silva vs. Thales Leites
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Shogun vs. Liddell could be a very sad fight.
The PRIDE Shogun would have beaten a pre-Rampage KO Liddell, IMO. But the 2009 Shogun is a slow, plodding shell of his former self, and ditto for 2009 Liddell.
Barring an act of God, Silva will score a R1 TKO, no question. Bet the farm on it.
Another mediocre card line up. Hopefully most of the dark matches will make it to the show — Professor X, Kang and Chonan should all be fun to watch.
Am I over-reacting by calling this card mediocre? For some reason, UFC cards have not spark any interest in me lately.
Your missing Elliot Marshall versus that guy who made Neil Grove look stupid on the ground. I’m horrible with names.
UFC 93 was decent. UFC 94 was good on paper, but ended up being a little boring. UFC 95, 96, & 97 have lack something.
However, UFC 98, 99, & 100 all look very very good…. This is what happens when the UFC wants to stack certain cards… The other suffer.
I know back in 2006, I had Shogun & Liddell as being tied as #1 Light Heavyweights. 3 years too late for this fight. It’s more like the loser is finished sort of fight.
A part of me still has hope that Shogun puts on an amazing performance and is right back into the title picture. I don’t have my hopes too high.
My problem with the televised undercard (and even more of the untelevised portion), is that I have little interest in the match-ups. I don’t have to see #1 vs. #2 for every fight, but the match-ups for UFC 97 are especially blah.
As an example of the opposite… UFC 99 has Swick/Sanders and Davis/Hardy. Those are two really solid undercard fights no paper. All borderline Top 10 fighters (all Top 20), but it’s just the match-ups that makes me really excited for that card.
“Am I over-reacting by calling this card mediocre? For some reason, UFC cards have not spark any interest in me lately.”
You could simply be burning out a bit. I haven’t been hyped for any UFC in a long time. It’s not a bitterness thing with me. I think it’s just burnout.
Burnout happens. Last summer after like July or so I did not care about anything MMA. Now we’ve had the same sort of crazy saturation.
>PPV
I will still expect it to be aired on spike or versus. Dana, This is what Canadians deserve to watch, not us.
The UFC is really putting Kongo against a lot Heavyweights that don’t even qualify as top 20, or maybe 30.
They blew a chance to give him a potential win against Gabriel Gonzaga, but now Carwin gets the big rub for KOing a former #1 HW contender.
If Kongo beats Hardonk, so what? If he loses, then he’s miles from a title shot and a potential star goes down in flames. They need to be a little smarter with their booking of marketable HW’s at this point since they’re so sparse.
I agree 100% that 2006 was the year for Liddell vs. Shogun. Rua used to be an absolute cardio machine, but in his last fight he gassed almost as fast as Coleman!
That’s REALLY sad…even in his prime, Coleman’s cardio was basically on par with Tank Abbott. In 2009 I don’t think Coleman could do a light jog for 15 minutes, let alone fight that long without passing out.
That dudes name is Foupa
which phonetically sounds like the acronym F.U.P.A
The UFC Heavyweight Division is so thin, that it seems like Zuffa is just treading water with Kongo until his chance for a title shot or #1 Contender type of fight emerges. They tried to do the same thing with Werdum/Dos Santos, and it blew up in their face.
And it’s not like the HW Division outside the UFC is much better. Cro Cop signed back with DREAM. Basically his career is goig nowhere until he retires.
HW division outside the UFC isnt better???? OMG, you make me want to vomit.
I cant go into any article without seeing your blatant UFC BS bias. At first I thought you said the first intelligent thing that has ever crossed your lips (about the weak UFC HW division), then you had to go and ruin it.
Affliction has:
Fedor
Arlovski
Barnett
Sylvia
Buentello
Dream has:
Crocop
Overeem
Kharitonov
Schilt
Hunt
Others:
Werdum
Aleks
Antonio Silva
You have got to be kidding me.
Arlovski & Sylvia are now boxing.
Little Fedor & Silva can’t touch MMA in the states.
Kharitonov has 1 fight in like 18 months. Schilt, is he even really back? Hunt is pretty much finished. Cro Cop seems to be at the tail end of his career too.
Overeem seems more interested in K-1 Style fights right now.
That’s 9 of your 13 right there.
Not a UFC bias. I don’t think much of the Heavyweight Division across the entire sport. Just look at it in terms of depth. Lesnar & Vasquez both have like 5 fights, and are both in the Top 20. That’s insane.
Compare it to the depth of the L. Heavy, Middle, Welter, Light, & Feather divisions, and it is completely lacking.
I’d still say that Barnett, Arlovski and Fedor are POSSIBLY the best 3 in the world, all of whom are not under UFC contract.
I’d say the top 3 in the UFC right now – Mir, Lesnar and Nogueira – would have a very tough time with those three non-UFC HWs.
But who knows if contract disputed or Dana’s personal crap will prevent these guys from coming in.
After Mir vs. Lesnar 2 I think the UFC might end up with a similar problem that they have in the Middleweight division. They’ve simply run out of match-ups. Couture could have a couple fights in his retirement run, possibly against Nogueira and one other guy.
If they’re setting up a Carwin or Kongo title fight that makes sense I guess, but they could definitely use a few more established guys at HW.
Why bother using any logic, Ultimo? Arlovski hasn’t even boxed yet professionally or even been booked in the future, but 45 counts him out of MMA. Is he even pretending? Same with Overeem: The UFC can have him tomorrow; they’d just have to pay him more than K-1.
As for Cro-Cop to DREAM, LOL. Remember when UFC 99 was “a lock” because he and Randy and BJ were all gonna headline that show? I can’t wait for everyone to blame the German promoter for doing a lousy job after Dana tells them he did.
That should be: :a lock to sell out”, just for clarification.
Also, anyone that has Ben Saunders in a top 20 of the welters isn’t worth hearing out.
Alan…. Do you ever have anything good to say? Like ever? Somebody as negative as you… Might need to look in the mirror as to what is wrong with your life…. The fact that you continue to just bash and bash and bash…. Man, it’s just not right. I’m not looking to get in some internet feud here. I come to this site to talk MMA. But your constant negativity… It’s just got to stop. It’s just down right rotten.
Back to the topic… Fedor is the #1 HW in the world. Arlovski was around #7 in the world… Then he beat Rothwell & Nelson… And somehow he becomes Top 3 in the world. It makes no logic sense. He isn’t Top 3. And Barnett…. He took 2007 off. Since then, his biggest win is against Pedro Rizzo. No way that makes him Top 3. Does he have the talent to perhaps be in there? Potentially. But he isn’t. Only Zuffa haters and people trying act more knowledge in the sport would rank those guys in the Top 3.
As for Overeem…. This guy is the most overhyped fighter going today. The guy is like a folding chair. Push on it, and it folds instantly. He has had some solid wins at Heavyweight, but nothing to deserve all the hype.
The Heavyweight Division overall is filled with a lot of 2 dimensional fighters. It is just weak. Lesnar has 5 fights, and he is Top 5 in the world. Valesquez has 5 fights, and he is being touted already as the next big thing. Gonzaga folds just as bad as Overeem, and he is still Top 15.
The division is horrible.
I agree with some of that re: the HW division as a whole, but it’s also VERY hard to rank the top 3 in the world because Lesnar has never fought Barnett, Fedor has never fought Mir, etc.
MMA just changes too fast, and fighters can become great – or lose their edge completely – within 6 months. Not to mention some fighters, due to contract disputes and other factors, take up to a year off. And in th UFC, it’s rare if a fighter gets 4 fights in a year.
So the top 10 (overall) is just an opinion.
IMO, Fedor is #1, and would likely beat anyone in the UFC. And I don’t believe Mir, Nogueira or anyone else in their roster could bear Arlovski or Barnett. Of course we’ll never know if the UFC doesn’t sign them, but that’s the way I see it.
I don’t know about Overeem – I think I’d like to see him against some stiffer competition before I label him overrated, because he’s been looking dangerous as hell the last year.
From what I remember Nogueira beat Barnett in their last fight.
Fedor is #1. We can agree on that. I think Frank Mir is #2. He beat Lesnar and Nogueira, which are two big enough wins to put him in that spot. And Nogueira is #3. He might have looked bad in his last fight, but he still beat Barnett in their last fight, and Barnett hasn’t beaten anybody ranked high enough since then to move over him.
Looking forward, the winner of Lesnar/Mir 2 becomes an automatic #2 in the world in my book. Winner of Nogueira/Couture becomes #3. The rest is up for grabs.
I’m enjoying myself plenty, 45. Don’t you worry. As for Mir being #2, he beat Lesnar before Lesnar did anything of value. I suppose the guy that beat Dos Santos just before he got in the UFC gets to be in the top ten also?
Hmmm… The guy that beat Dos Santos, didn’t turn around and then beat Herring & Couture. Major difference. Mir beat two current Top 10 guys in the same year. And one of those guys was the undisputed #2 Heavyweight in the world.
Mir is #2 at this point. Can he be beaten by guys ranked under him? Probably. But based on his wins, he is #2 in the world.
Mir has surely done more then Barnett has done in the last 2 years. The anti-Zuffa bias in the rankings is a joke. Barnett & Arlovski are not #2 and #3. Neither has big enough wins to warrant those rankings.
They are ranked that high because they went to Affliction, and the hating hardcore fans love to root for anything that isn’t Zuffa. It’s the same as Lawler being ranked #2 in many rankings despite his biggest win being against Frank Trigg (who is going back down to Welterweight). And Shields being ranked #3 by some rankings, despite his biggest win being against Carlos Condit, who is in the lower half of the Top 10.
The UFC 100 card is starting to come out, and there are already 7 fights that to me are worthy of the main card:
Mir/Lesnar, GSP/Alves, Henderson/Bisping, Fitch/Thiago, Bonnar/Coleman, Akiyama/Belcher, & Kim/Goulet.
It would be great if they did a 1 hour pre show on SpikeTV, with 2 live fights, and hyping up the PPV. Kind of make the event feel extra special.
Hmmm… The guy that beat Dos Santos, didn’t turn around and then beat Herring & Couture.
Neither did the guy that beat Lesnar. Do you even understand how to make a proper comparison?
Ben Saunders is good.
The only think keeping him from a ranking that reflects his skill is he needs more name brand opponents on his record.
That can happen overnight ala Carwin, and will happen IMO.
The HW division in the UFC is missing a few pieces that would be nice to have.
But the only legitimately good HW’s that UFC doesn’t have are Fedor, Kharitonov and maybe Bigfoot.
Overeem isn’t that good, not at MMA at least. Barnett is a decent fighter, but a joke as a human being. UFC needs him about as much as they need tito ortiz back. Sylvia and AA have run their course, nothing left to see there. Kharitonov may or may not still be alive, I haven’t heard about any sightings recently.
The UFC doesn’t have them all, but still has more than any other one promotion.
#13. Aflliction DOES NOT have all those hw’s.
fedor-M1.
barnett-WVR.
sylvia(gag)Adeneline.
arlovski-Golden-boy.
buentello-whoever.
point being, you have to make an almagam of about 5 different orgs to compare to the ufc’s hw division.
UFC-
LESNAR
MIR
COUTURE
BIG NOG
CARWIN
CAIN
DOS SANTOS
KONGO
GONZAGA
HARDONK
PAT BERRY
HERRING
thats at least 12 quality hw’s signed to 1 SINGLE ORGANIZATION, not 6 orgs combined like the other names you have listed(dream,m1,strikeforce,affliction,wvr,adreneline)quite frankly, the ufc DOES has the single deepest hw division in mma. please try and not puke on yourself. keep hating though, it’s all you former Pride nut-huggers have left is hate. 🙂
Ben Saunders is good.
The only think keeping him from a ranking that reflects his skill is he needs more name brand opponents on his record.
This is true for every fighter in the history of combat sports. Maybe we should wait till he beats someone even bordering on a “name brand opponent” before we start to pretend that he is one?
Ed. — For someone who said that D. Cap was only a gimmick, you and D. sure are one and of the same breed.
brent Says:
“#13. Aflliction DOES NOT have all those hw’s.
fedor-M1.
barnett-WVR.
sylvia(gag)Adeneline.
arlovski-Golden-boy.
buentello-whoever.
point being, you have to make an almagam of about 5 different orgs to compare to the ufc’s hw division.
UFC-
LESNAR
MIR
COUTURE
BIG NOG
CARWIN
CAIN
DOS SANTOS
KONGO
GONZAGA
HARDONK
PAT BERRY
HERRING
thats at least 12 quality hw’s signed to 1 SINGLE ORGANIZATION, not 6 orgs combined like the other names you have listed(dream,m1,strikeforce,affliction,wvr,adreneline)quite frankly, the ufc DOES has the single deepest hw division in mma.”
First of all, before you bash you should take the time to actually think. The comment I was responding to was that “the HW division outside the UFC isnt much better.” So your whole organization argument is irrelevant.
That being said, you simply putting an organization name next to each fighter’s name does not make it so. The fact of the matter is, whether you want to accept it or not, if Affliction had wanted to put together a card and booked a few months ago in advance, and had the money, they could almost DEFINITELY have gotten Fedor, Arlovski, Barnett, Sylvia, and Buentello to fight on the card…just as I said. Saying Barnett is with WVR, Fedor is with M1, and Arlovski is with Golden Boy just shows what a f$cking ignoramus you are. You clearly dont even know how the business works. All of those things were true when those guys fought in Affliction the last time, so obviously they can still all fight in Affliction. Its not like they are in “6 orgs” and cant fight eachother moron. Oh no, Barnett cant fight in America because he is signed to WVR. How stupid can you be?
Then you have the Dream fighters I mentioned…all excellent fighters.
As for your list on the other hand.. You have Lesnar, who is almost entirely unproven except for one fight against a 46 year old man. You have the 46 year old man. You have a former champion in Nogueira who, as much as it hurts me to say, cannot even be called a shell of his former self because he isnt even that. You have Mir, who has really only proven himself in the last 5 years against that half-shell…and got KTFO a couple fights ago by a guy who cant even hang at LHW now. You have Herring who hasnt even been halfway decent in well over 5 years.
All the guys on my list are PROVEN, longtime ranked fighters, while your list is made up of guys like Cain, Dos Santos, Hardonk, and Berry. Those are guys who have potential, but have not proven JACK SHIT. Dos Santos had one impressive win, thats it.
ummm Brent I hate to break it to you but your facts are just plain wrong.
As much as I hate the idea of a monopoly, we’ll never have an accurate picture of the HW rankings unless Zuffa signs Fedor, Barnett, Arlovski and probably Overeem.
Without matching those guys against UFC’s best HWs, we’ll just never know.
I agree with 45 that you can say Mir beat Nogueira, which technically makes him #2. However, from my observation, there is NO WAY that the Nogueira that bear Barnett by decision a couple years back is the same Nogueira that Mir recently beat.
In 2009 Nogueira is slow, battered, and is looking like he’s a fight or two away from retirement (or risking permanent injury). I’m sure I’m not the only one to have made that observation.
Although TECHNICALLY, you can rank Nog higher than, say, Arlovski (even 5 points higher) I would imagine that in 2009 we’d see Arlovski KO Nog within a minute (even though 2 or 3 years ago it would be a vastly different outcome).
I could go on and on…
My only point is that with the talent pool this spread out, we can’t be certain, and everyone makes some valid points for their personal ranking system.
Ultimo is right, the same thing is with LW division. You don’t really how guys like Florian, Sherk, Griffin, Sanchez would do against Aoki, Hansen, JZ, Kawajiri. Hope Uno comeback will answer some questions, but still not all.
Ranking based on recent accomplishment (i.e. actually defeating other top fighters) as opposed to conjecture.
1. F. Emilianenko
2. Mir
3. Nogueira
4. Lesnar
5. Couture
6. Sylvia
7. Arlovski
8. dos Santos
9. Werdum
10. Carwin
11. Gonzaga
12. Velasquez
13. O’Brien
14. Herring
15. Kongo
16. CroCop
17. Barnett
18. A. Emilianenko
19. Kharitanov
20. Overeem
21. Rizzo
22. Monson
23. de Pano
24. Silva
25. Rothwell
Wow Klown. How is GG so High? He beat scrubs and lost to good fighters. Barnnet could be said to have done the same but at least he has been winning. THere is no way in hell that Josh is so low. Smae with overeem. HTe dude has beeing winning his fights and doing so in imoressive fashion. He is in teh top 15 easy and GG is not.
There was a good debate on Bloody Elbow about the worth and point of rankings. One side said rankings drive match-making, while the other side it’s match-making driving the rankings. I think the former is how it should be but the latter is reality.
Jmechanic points out, correctly, that it’s hard to evaluate relatively inexperienced fighters. And it’s difficult to stomach ranking them so highly when they only have one or two wins over big names. I blame this problem on match-making.
The best example is Werdum-dos Santos. Werdum was the top-ranked HW in the UFC at the time and deserved a title shot. He was “fed” an unknown fighter making his UFC debut who knocked him out cold. It’s not that dos Santos doesn’t deserve Werdum’s spot. It’s that the fight itself was an example of illogical match-making.
Of course, as these fighters get more experience under their belts, we will get a truer picture of their worth, and some will dwindle away while others maintain high rankings. Rankings are not the be all, end all measurement of a fighter’s worth, they are merely a snapshot of a moment in time.
The best thing about a logical ranking system is that momentary absurdities self-correct over time and are eventually resolved.
Nothing wrong with that top 25 klown, based on the ‘who-beat who at any point in time’ criteria.
But if I were a betting man, I’d have a hard time putting money on CroCop (17) beating Overeem (20), Couture (5) beating Barnett (17), and based on his last performance, Nogueira (3) beating a lot of guys in the top 25 at this point.
You have to consider how well fighters did in their performances, even during a loss or a no-contest.
There is a lot more to ranking MMA, IMO, that just saying fighter A beat fighter B seven years ago, so forever he`s ranked higher.
I still don’t buy into the Mir as #2 argument. He beat Lesnar when Lesnar was as proven as Kimbo Slice. He beat Noguiera as a major underdog and being ranked well outside the top 10. I’d love to see how many of the same people that rank Mir at #2 rank Kitaoka in their 155lb top 10.
spacedog,
Gonzaga decapitated CroCop 2 years ago, a time when CroCop was Top 5. It was another inexplicable match-up, like Werdum-dos Santos, and the upset again resulted in an unknown fighter unnaturally surging through the ranks. Since then Gonzaga has been defeated by Couture, Werdum and Carwin, all of whom are correctly ranked above him.
Dwindling through the rankings is a slow process, but you do see Gonzaga’s worth self-correcting. He has just been knocked out of the Top 10 and his momentum is downward. There are many lower-ranked fighters than him who have upward momentum and might soon overtake him, given logical match-making.
Finally, if you believes Gonzaga never belonged in the Top 10 in first place, then there is no case for ranking Carwin at #10. Carwin has beaten no one of any note besides Gonzaga. And you gotta admit the scrubs Carwin beat sucked even worse than Gonzaga’s scrubs.
As for Overeem, he is one of those fighters who has potential to move up the ranks because he won a couple of fights impressively. Unfortunately his best performance against CroCop can’t be counted due to the NC. Besides that he beat Goodridge (which is a crime against humanity), Buentello, and a Korean fighter with a record 1-2.
Overeem’s rise will be slow so long as he fights competition of this low caliber. His greatest win is over Hunt, whom I would place just outside the Top 25. A win over a better ranked fighter, say CroCop, would propel Overeem to #16. A win over, say, Werdum would hurl him into the Top 10. Until then his rightful spot is right below Kharitonov who knocked him out 18 months ago.
Ultimo Santa,
It depends on what you look for in rankings. For you, it’s a gambling man’s system, based on speculation about who would win a hypothetical match-up in the future. Mine is a matchmaker’s system, with the goal of having a constant “tournament” in each division to determine the best fighter, and to give each fighter’s career a meaningful trajectory so it’s not just a series of random fights.
It’s also a simple system based on who wins. As such it doesn’t take into account luck, or how fighters have “looked” in recent fights, which is more subjective and harder to reach consensus around.
And you are right that the flaw in such a system is rigidity over time. For it to be meaningful, you’ve got to set a limit after which fights no longer “count”. This is inevitably arbitrary and I go with the 3-year cut-off, which seems reasonable. And for the system to be flexible and progressive, it’s important for more recent fights to override older fights in cases of loops or contradictions. So Fighter A can leap-frog a Fighter B he has lost to by beating someone better ranked than Fighter B.
It’s not a science, there are tidbits of subjectivity that necessarily make their way through and I’m always looking for ways to minimze those. And for other “objective” ways to tweak the system and make it more meaningful.
klown’s top 10 is the most legit Top 10 I have seen.
A guy like Barnett can probably beat many of the guys ranked ahead of him, but until he does so in recent times, he can’t be ranked higher.
I guess I never bought into GG. The dudes claim to fame is that CroCop zigged when he should have zagged. I never would have even put him in the top ten. Ever.
As for Josh, I think that beating Monson, Pedro, and Gilbert, on top of his career resume gets him a spot in the top ten.
He’s been active lately, and has looked good. And I think you have to take into account his body of work.
Its the same reason that if Fedor stopped fighting for a year he would drop out of the rankings, but would go back to #1 after his first fight back, no matter how much of a can he foiught (Hong man Choi anyone)
I don’t buy the whole argument that losing to some one ranked higher can’t drop you through the ranks. It still does, just not as fast.
PS Rankings is HARD. I don’t think I can do any better of a job.
Honestly, I don`t know how you rank one fighter ahead of another with so many match-ups left on the table, and so many unanswered questions (according to Klown, Lesnar is 4 overall…and who has he beaten besides a 45-year-old, semi-retired B-movie actor?)
So yeah, you need to suspend disbelief to make sense of ANY top 10 (or 25) ranking if you`re going to buy into it 100%.
All I know for certain is that whomever beats Fedor – whether he`s top 10, bottom 10 or the guy working the concession stand – is the undisputed number 1.
jmechanic. lol! i got you. i got you good too. you got all fired up. affliction could hace had all those hws on 1 card if they wanted to? yeah sure, if they want a $10 million payout. affliction is not long for this world, stop living in the past. the ufc’s young hw fighters ARE the future. yes i know that all those fighters from all those orgs can fight each other, that’s if the org actually lasts. the 12 fighters i listed is by far the best and deepest hw division ANY SINGLE ORG HAS RIGHT NOW. DEAL WITH IT!
I deleted them, but I ran synthetics after the last UFC, and the all promotion top10 was still full of non-ufc guys barring Nog. UFC’s top10 had Carwin jumping to 2nd.
I don’t think there’s a need to get worked up about the quality of UFC heavyweights, they in general may or may not be competitive with the other guys out there, but even the guy who is still synthetically ranked 2nd in the world at HW (Nog) and was a consensus editorial pick at number 2 is still able to be beaten by the level of competition that UFC has for him to face, and UFC fights involving Nog may not even be the most appealing matchups at HW these days.
The bad thing, it’s all open in UFC for guys without names. The good thing, IT’S ALL OPEN IN UFC FOR GUYS WITHOUT NAMES! It’s a promotion where you often can’t pick the outcome, and where the newer faces are better than or equal to the old guard. On the whole, that’s not a bad thing. We could still be watching Shamrock vs Gracie instead, after all. Which would suck. Really suck.
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The only movement in the HW rankings since I posted one month ago is Monson rising to #19 with a victory over Kharitanov. That pushes down Kharitonov, Overeem and Rizzo by one point each. Besides that, no change.
God that undercard is scrub city.
Burnout definitely happens.
I think part of the problem right now is that UFC’s LHW division seems to have separated into two strata, the big names from the past that everyone really wanted to see fight one another, and the up and comers.
You’ve got Rampage straddling the line, but for the most part those older big names are now only competitive with one another, and it’s like the farewell tour every time they fight. Bittersweet to be sure.
UFC is tonight. Anyone want to talk about that?
OMG, I started reading that HW divisions argument and was about to pull my hair out for someone starting that up again already!
Lol!