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Alistair Overeem says his upcoming fight with Bigfoot Silva will happen in October

By Zach Arnold | June 19, 2011

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I would like to embed this MMAFighting.com video for you here, but their video player does not allow for embeddable HTML coding. So, here’s the transcript.

ARIEL HELWANI: “You had an interesting fight. Some fans, as you could imagine, are a little disappointed. What did you think of your performance?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well, I came here to knock him out… I trained hard for this fight, four months training camp. Yeah, I’m a little bit disappointed I couldn’t deliver on my promise to the fans and I apologize for that. But, you need two to tango and looking back at the fight, looking back at the total takedowns attempted, I can only come to the conclusion that Fabricio didn’t want to fight in the stand-up with me at all. Yeah, it was a little stalling in the fight on the ground and, um… Yeah, I got the win but I’m not entirely satisfied.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “What’s going through your mind when he’s, you know, on his back and he’s telling you, ‘please, please, come to the ground with me,’ and obviously you have pride and you want to deliver for the fans but you obviously want to fight a smart fight. But what’s going through your mind when that’s happening, because you want to deliver for the fans but you also don’t want to go into his trap so how do you stop yourself from going into that trap?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well, first of all, by not getting too emotional. Of course, when somebody is challenging you, you want to respond to that challenge especially when there’s a lot of fans watching but… on the other hand, I mean, c’mon, you’re the one laying down all the time. So, I think I’m not satisfied by my performance because I couldn’t deliver on the knockout but I think he should be a little bit ashamed of his performance by not delivering to the fans at all what they paid for their tickets.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “Do you think, you know, maybe he sort of ‘tricked’ Fedor to go the ground with him in their first fight he pulled guard that this sort of got to his head in a sense that he thought he could do the same thing to you and he kept going back to that? Because even on his feet, you know, he looked comfortable, he was engaging, but he kept going back to the ground. So, do you think that he thought based on what he did to Fedor that he could do the same to you and that kind of ruined the fight in a sense?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well, I have the idea that he did engage in the stand-up fight but not to knock me out at all. It was all based to set up a takedown and then, yeah, as soon that didn’t work, he kept stalling in the fight.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “On the feet, a couple of times it looks like he landed some shots. Did he ever hurt you at any point?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “He didn’t hurt me, but of course the small gloves and, yeah, some connected a little bit. But he didn’t hurt me and that’s what I mean by he was throwing strikes but not with the intention to knock out. He was throwing strikes to attempt to get me off base and then get a takedown. Different kind of strikes.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “Scott Coker told us that he thought cage rust was a factor, that maybe cardio or a lack of cardio played into your performance. How did you feel out there?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well… he kept going for the takedown, it frustrated me a little bit. I think my cardio was not that bad but it was also… I just wanted to be able to finish the fight.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “We talked earlier this week about the ranking sand the way people view you. This was really your first heavyweight you fought in MMA who’s in the Top 10. Do you think that you proved a point that you are a Top 5 Heavyweight after this one?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well, I’m going to leave it that up to you guys and the fans.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “You start thinking about Bigfoot (Silva) yet or you still focused on this one?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well, Bigfoot is the next one. I’m going to start training for him a couple of weeks, but for now it’s time for a holiday.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “When do you think that fight will happen?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “I’m not sure, I’m not sure. I think probably October or something.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “When would you like for it to happen?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “I think October’s good.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “For him, because he said, you know, he wasn’t all that impressed with your performance and he promised he’s going to win the tournament and all that. He’s probably the strongest guy that you’ve ever fought in MMA, the biggest guy. I mean, this guy has to cut weight to make 265. He’s massive, going on his feet, going on the ground. Do you think you need to do something different in training because now it’s a drastically different opponent than the one you fought in Werdum?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Yeah, we’re definitely going to step up the game. I’m going to switch some things up but I’m going to be ready.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “Is Alistair Overeem still the favorite of the tournament?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “You should ask that to the fans.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “I was just wondering what you thought.”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well, I think I’m one of the favorites, definitely.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “Did you see Barnett’s fight?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Yeah, I did.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “What did you think of his performance?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “Well, I already though he would win. He has a lot of experience, a lot more than Brett, he’s also a clever fighter. Yeah, also it’s a difference in styles and Brett is a hard-hitter, he wants to bring it in the stand-up and then, yeah, what’s his name, Josh Barnett is clever enough not to get into that game and just take him to the ground. Yeah, he did good, he did good.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “And, finally, your brother suffered a tough loss tonight. Chad Griggs is an interest guy, I mean he’s kind of just a brawler. What did you think of that fight or did you even see it, because I know you were preparing for your fight?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “I saw the fight and… it was a bad fight, I can tell you, it was a very bad fight.”

ARIEL HELWANI: “What did you think happened?”

ALISTAIR OVEREEM: “I don’t know actually, I can’t give you an answer on that.”

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53 Responses to “Alistair Overeem says his upcoming fight with Bigfoot Silva will happen in October”

  1. Chuck says:

    Gotta give Overeem credit. He’s honest and he’s very reasonable with his various assessments.

  2. cutch says:

    Barnett & Overeem will have 4 months to get ready, which is plenty of time and then they can have the finals in Febuary.

    UFC 134 sold out in just over an hour which is pretty impressive.

  3. 45 Huddle says:

    1) Since Pride ended…. Overeem has never been ranked higher…. And yet the public’s perception of him has never been as low. The Reem? Obereem? Yeah right. This is the same exact fighter we saw in Pride, only with more muscle. He has no gas tank. He wilts under pressure. The only reason Werdum couldn’t do something about it was because he was gassed. Jon Jones, Rashad Evans, Mauricio Rua, & Lyoto Machida would all have beaten Overeem last night. And yes, I am fully aware of the fact that I am comparing a HW to LHW’s.

    2) For the fanboys who wanted to see GSP vs. Diaz…. Are you prepared for an equally big letdown? Diaz is the same fighter he was years ago. Still getting hit by big shots. Still no major improvements in his wrestling. How many examples do fans need of fighters having huge win streaks outside of the UFC matchmaking style to realize that it’s all just a bunch of artificial records based on fighting lesser competition. The UFC has 10+ guys in each division who could do the same thing outside of the UFC.

    3) Fabricio Werdum should be ashamed of his performance. It’s easy to see why the UFC basically got rid of him. Yeah, I know they tried to reduce his contract and he left. But that’s just a typical way to squeeze somebody out who you don’t want there. Werdum beat a washed up Fedor Emelianenko. That’s all he has ever done.

    4) Is anybody still willing to say that the Strikeforce Grand Prix would crown the #1 Heavyweight in the world? Velasquez, Dos Santos, & Lesnar would all easily win this tournament.

    5) Now, go make a Top 25 MMA Heavyweight Rankings. And quickly look at how bad it is. Once you take out the oversized (and often fat) Light Heavyweights and then the guys who no gas tank (too musc muscle), your left with a really small pool of talent.

    Overall I thought the card was entertaining for what it was. But it was really a statement to how bad the Heavyweight Division still is in MMA.

    • Zheroen says:

      So, anything positive to say?

      • 45 Huddle says:

        What was really positive to say about that show?

        It featured 4 Heavyweight fights, and nothing looked that impressive. The most impressive fighter was Cormier, but we all know he is too small to really go anywhere in this division.

        The Lightweight fight was good, but is that fight really any different then a Facebook UFC Lightweight Fight? Not really…

        Strikeforce had a lot of hyped fighters. Most were or arenot worth the hype.

        • Zheroen says:

          I just kind of find it funny that you’re picking Brock, who is coming off a devastating loss and in all likelihood will never fight again due to health issues, to beat this field. Hell, you might as well throw Rickson Gracie’s name out there.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          Coming off a loss to the highest of quality of opponent.

          Strength of schedule. Just because Cain beat him, doesn’t mean Brock wouldn’t beat Overeem.

        • Robert Poole says:

          Actually I’d be surprised if you have ever had anything to say about any SF show. Look as much as this show wasn’t as good as expected, how many UFC shows are the same way? 3-4-5 a year? So it happens. SF has had some good shows, some really fun ones to watch and every time out you’re out in front doing your pro-UFC anti-anything else shtick. It gets old.

    • smoogy says:

      Your first four points all break along “PRIDE nuthugger“, “anti-UFC SF fanboys” lines. Suffice to say it might be time to adopt a new gimmick, as they’re all owned by the same group now.

      If you really watched Overeem shuck off a zillion takedown attempts with the utmost of ease, outlast his opponent’s conditioning and knock him around for three rounds, and your conclusion was “yep, exact same guy from PRIDE”, well… you may not be a very good judge of talent, or your memory of PRIDE is more than a little off.

      • 45 Huddle says:

        If you didn’t get emotionally involved in Werdum flopping down the entire time, he won that fight.

        But nobody, including myself, cares much because Werdum was just a pansy.

        Even the numbers coming out today are showing that Werdum won.

        So to even talk about Overeem like he did anything worthy in that fight is a joke, even for your typical comments.

        • smoogy says:

          “The numbers” are a joke and if you thought Werdum won any of those rounds you should probably retire from armchair MMA judging or invest in eyeglasses.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          i think you need to rewatch the fight with the commentary off and watch how much each fighter actually does…

        • 45 Huddle says:

          MMA Junkie had round 3 for Werdum. So did Dave Meltzer. So did 1 of the 3 Sherdog guys.

          Should they all stop covering the sport?

        • edub says:

          Werdum won a lackluster third round. He didn’t win the fight. And he very well could have been warned for stalling at points.

      • spacedog says:

        uhh.. I think Werdum actually won that fight. He certainly could have KO’d reem if he’d have just thrown knees the whole third round.

  4. david m says:

    LOL at 45 logic that because Overeem looked bad against Werdum, that Nick Diaz can’t beat GSP. Only on the intraweb.

    The Miami Heat lost to the Mavericks, thus North Carolina can’t beat Duke.

    What goes through your head before you post something like that?

    • 45 Huddle says:

      Overeem is just another example in a long line of them.

      1) Jorge Santiago is ranked in the Top 10. Lots of hype due to what he has done outside of the UFC. Comes over and gets wrecked by Brian Stann.

      2) Jake Shields was ranked Top 5. Lots of hype due to a 15 fight win streak. He looks beyond bad in a victory against Kampmann. And then outside of an eye poke that benfited him in the later rounds, had nothing for GSP.

      3) Michihiro Omigawa was Top 10 ranked, and the 2nd or 3rd best Featherweight coming over from Japan. He had nothing for Chad Mendes. And even if his next loss was controversial, he was on the level of of a lower tier Featherweight.

      4) Antonio McKee was being hyped up due to racking up a huge win streak outside of the UFC. He can’t even beat Jacob Volkmann in his UFC debut.

      Overeem is another.

      Nick Diaz falls right in line with those other fighters. A good win streak outside of the UFC. Really hasn’t shown much improvements in his game. Ranked higher then he should be.

      Alistair Overeem’s performance alone has nothing to do with Nick Diaz. Overeem, McKee, Shields, Omigawa, Sanitago, and the COUNTLESS other fighters all tell a very simplistic story that makes it easy to see a patern.

      • 45 Huddle says:

        The order of quality of fighters for the last few years has always been very simple:

        1) UFC / WEC
        2) Strikeforce
        3) Japan

        So you could also see the same effect happening from the guys finding success in Japan not doing so good in SF.

        Zaromskis was the champion in DREAM and got wrecked in Strikeforce. Mousasi looked unstoppable in Japan and has been average in Strikeforce. He looked extremely bad in the fight against Keith Jardine.

        People like you look at winning streaks with absolutely no concept for strength of schedule.

        It’s not a shock that everytime fighters move to a new organization that has higher levels of competition that they fail. It happens so much that for to not even notice it really is shocking.

        • mr. roadblock says:

          This same thing happens in baseball.

          For those unfamiliar with the sport you have Major League Baseball with 30 pro teams.

          Each MLB team has several minor league teams. The minor leagues consist of three levels:

          A – youngest raw prospects
          AA – next level for prospects or guys learning a new position
          AAA – level just below the majors old vets go to this level to try to make it back to MLB, rookies and young guys try to show that they’re ready for MLB.

          There’s a saying in baseball that some guys are AAAA (4-a) players. Because they’ll go to AAA and be the best guy in the league and rack up incredible stats. Then they get called up to MLB and stink the joint up. They get sent back to AAAA and play lights out. Get called up again and stink.

          My NY Mets routinely stock our outfield with AAAA players.

          What 45 is pointing to is that there’s a very similar phenomenon in MMA. A guy can be utterly dominant in Japan then not impress in SF. Or he can be a stud in SF and not have it for the UFC.

          The opposite is true too. There’s a good chance if you dropped Thiago Alves, Jon Fitch, Chael Sonnen, Thiago Silva, Frank Mir, etc from UFC that they wouldn’t lose again until they went back to UFC.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          Great example.

          You have to “earn your batting average” in each league. And hitting .350 in AAA doesn’t mean you are even going to be a .250 hitting in the Majors.

          People just cannot grasp this concept in MMA at all. Even the media fails everytime.

      • Zheroen says:

        I really don’t understand your point. Is it that sometimes fighters come from outside the UFC, riding a hype train, then lose? Fighters have to start somewhere, they’ll get some hype behind them with a win streak, then when the competition level rises they either succeed or fail. GSP was hyped after beating Pete Spratt (when he was still considered something after being in the UFC) in TKO, then lost to the dominant UFC Welterweight Matt Hughes. By your logic, that would have made him an instant bust.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          Your logic is extremely weak.

          1) GSP came in during a time when the sport wasn’t half as developed as it was today. One good performance made you Top 10 instantly.

          2) GSP wasn’t Top 10 until he entered the UFC.

          3) GSP didn’t get a title shot until he beat Hieron & Parisyan. And once again, it was 7 years ago and the sport is extremely evolved in how somebody moves up the ranks today. It’s apples to oranges.

          4) GSP’s stock rose in the UFC, even after his first 2 fights. All of the fighters I’m talking about, saw their stock fall within 2 fights of entering the UFC.

          So let’s get back to my point, that you have having a hard time grasping.

          My point is that the guys outside of the UFC who continue to get ranked in the Top 10 because they just “keep winning”…. they don’t deserve their rankings. And why don’t they? Because there are 20 past fighters who have shown that once these guys enter the UFC talent pool, they are about 1to 2 steps below what everybody thought they were.

          And guys like Nick Diaz have no business getting a title shot without proving first that they can actually hang with UFC level talent. The fight with GSP is a complete and total waste. Especially when there is a REAL challenger out there right now, #3 ranked Rick Story.

      • david m says:

        “It’s not a shock that everytime fighters move to a new organization that has higher levels of competition that they fail. It happens so much that for to not even notice it really is shocking.”

        You know who else came from outside of the UFC? Anderson Silva. In fact, Anderson has lost 4 times outside of the UFC, and never in the UFC. Junior lost outside of the UFC but never in the UFC. Please explain this, oh bastion of logic.

        Jake Shields, despite being a horrid striker, took 2 rounds off of GSP on 1 or 2 scorecards. He is an absolutely abysmal striker, but GSP wants nothing to do with people who are good at jiu jitsu. Nick Diaz is better on the ground than Jake Shields is, and about 100x the striker. To say that Nick Diaz hasn’t improved by leaps and bounds in the last 4-5 years is just dumb. Like really, really dumb.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          Anderson Silva was the World Welterweight Champion, by beating Hayato Sakurai. He had already proven himself before the road bumps in Pride.

          You are confusing a guy getting use to the increased weight class with a guy who just couldn’t hang. Two very different things.

          Anderson Silva already proved his talent long before he entered Pride.

          Every fighter can have a bad streak. But all of these fighters entering the higher levels of the UFC and just failing isn’t by chance….

        • Zheroen says:

          45 – your analogy sucks, because Anderson Silva didn’t lose to any legit middleweights. Daiju Takase and Ryo Chonan are welterweights. Try again.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          Those fights happened at Middleweight. And they happened while he was trying to transition his body to a weight class about 16 pounds heavier then he was previously competing at.

          Once again, he had already proven he was capable of being #1 in the world.

          Completely different then guys like Diaz or overeem who have never proven it and are getting hype they don’t deserve…

        • Zheroen says:

          Also, Anderson was only 4-1 when he beat Sakurai (who I recall you stating before that you never thought to be worthy of his high rating, and that he only was liked because of Japanese MMA bias in the media). But by beating an overrated (by your standards) fighter in Japan, then losing to a couple of scrubs at the same weight a couple of years later = proven fighter beforehand?

          The UFC had fuck-all to do with Silva’s success, it was his hooking up with the Nogueira brothers and developing a solid jiu-jitsu game.

          Zuffa owns Strikeforce, I have no idea why you persist on doing an “us vs. the world” argument. You’re arguing with yourself.

        • mr. roadblock says:

          To be fair Siva kicked butt in Cage Rage against quality opponents after the Chonan thing. I still think that fight was a work. I thought it when I first watched i and became convinced the second and third times I saw it. I bate talking about works. But there were mkre than a few in PRIDE. Silva vs Chonan and Ramoage vs Sakuraba should be wiped from the books in my opinion.

    • spacedog says:

      Man…. you guys are idiots. I loved me some PRIDE too but UFC IS the only real game in town right now and 45 is totally right in calling as such. There are some fighters in other leagues that can hang and there are always more coming down the line. Right now the future LHW champion is fighting his 1st fight for $50 at an Indian reservation in Nebraska.
      That does not change the fact that the talent and the depth are in the UFC. Deal with it or don’t but you can’t deny it.

      And trying to score gotcha points by bringing up AS is just lame. Fans of the sport picked him to beat Rich and he was well established in legit leagues before he came in. Problem is, those leagues are either gone or diminished.

  5. mr. roadblock says:

    Last night’s card really disappointed me. I’d been looking forward to it.

    I have to admit I’m a little bit shocked. I didn’t see a scenario where all 4 guys would lower my opinion of them.

    I’ve never been that impressed with Werdum. All he wanted to do last night was not to be finished in that fight. The way Overeem pushed him away on the ground and stuffed his takedowns, Werdum would get demolished if he went back to UFC.

    As for Overeem his gas tank really surprised me. With a minute and a half left in round 2 he was done. I’m sorry dude but 8-9 min of cardio is going to get you nowhere against Cain and JDS. That fight was so slow paced with so many breaks that I can’t realistically say he even has 8 minutes of cardio. He might have been much earlier with the way Cain, JDS and Brock push the pace.

    Rogers might have something if he went to a real camp. But he basically sucks. His performances do more to discredit AA and Fedor than anything else.

    Barnett is what I’ve always thought he is. He’s good enoug to beat Rogers and Gilber Yvel in lackluster fashion. He’s right below CroCop in the relevancy list or right next to him. Better than the guys that don’t belong but not very good anymore.

    It’s too bad there was some John McCarthy look-a-like contest winner doing the main event. I think a competent ref would have deducted a point or at least called time and given a warning when Weredum was stalling. That might have improved that fight.

    The HBO Boxing was great. Well worth a look if any of you guys can find it online or catch a replay. Huge $$$ to be made doing Canelo Alvarez vs el hijo del JCC

    • mr. roadblock says:

      PS. Masvidal vs Noons was one of the most fun MMA fights in a long while. Really looking forward to Masvidal vs Gilbert Melendez. I’d love to see Clay Guida vs those guys.

      • Zheroen says:

        Agreed. Maybe it was a Facebook-level UFC fight (whatever that means), but it was a fun scrap. I’m at the point now with MMA where I’d much rather see a competitive scrap between two lesser fighters than a boring, overly-conservative 5-rounder between the upper echelon. I guess it’s like NCAA Basketball vs. the NBA. Obviously the NBA has the better talent, but March Madness trumps the NBA Finals on an entertainment-value level. Was BJ Penn vs. Jon Fitch a more important fight than Masvidal/Noons? Duh. Was it even close to being as entertaining? I don’t see how.

  6. Zheroen says:

    Oh Jesus Christ, another baseball analogy. Yeah, TOTALLY THE SAME SPORT/PREMISE!

    • mr. roadblock says:

      Baseball is the most individual of the team sports and has a minor to major league system similar to MMA.

      While the physical activities of the sports aren’t comparable; the the valuation of success is.

      • Zheroen says:

        Is baseball really that much more individual or exclusive in it’s tiered/farm system type setup than hockey or soccer (at least in Europe), though? Hell, soccer might even be more of a direct comparison – a striker who scores a boatload of goals in, say, the Spanish Primera Liga might have a tougher time in the English Premier League with their more physical defenses/better goalkeeping.

        There’s also plenty of evidence that they physical tools that lead to success in soccer lend themselves well to MMA – Joe Rogan made this same point on a recent UFC, and the glut of Brazilians who have made an impact lend credence to this.

        I can’t recall a baseball standout going far in MMA.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          there is nothing more individual in a team sport then the pitcher vs. hitter part of the game…

          and you are still missing the overall point he is making and instead grasping at straws.

          His overall point is a valid one. That success at each tier doesn’t automatically guarantee success at the next tier. This is true for baseball and true in MMA.

          It’s a fantastic example.

  7. Zheroen says:

    45, serious question – have you ever trained MMA or practiced any style (wrestling, jiu-jitsu, etc.)?

    • 45 Huddle says:

      wrestling

      i don’t know what it’s like getting hit in the face. But I have a full understanding on body movements…. And what it feels like to get utterly dominated, completely dominate, completely gas, and all of the other great things you can learn from wrestling.

    • 45 Huddle says:

      Have you?

      • Zheroen says:

        We share a common background, then – wrestled all throughout middle school and high school, folk-style and freestyle. Although I did participate in the Indiana University judo club while in college, that’s pretty much it. I attempted to train MMA for a bit, but soon grew tired of having to explain shiners and cuts to clients at work

        It’s just…I don’t know, we clearly see the sport from such COMPLETELY different viewpoints, that I was wondering if there was any sort of commonality. I mean, your perception of what actually happens IN THE FIGHT ITSELF, beyond the tangential bullshit of promotional dick-waving and ratings and buyrates just seems to be diametrically opposite mine. At this point, I am withdrawing from further debate with you, as there will obviously never be any sort of reconciling of opinions, and I don’t have the energy to engage in flame wars on Internet message boards anymore.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          I was never flaming. Just a difference of opinion and a few hours stuck behind a PC….

          Plus I’m much smarter then you…. lol…. Probably not…. Just come to different conclusions watching the same things.

          We all have biases to some extent. Which is why opinions are different.

        • Chuck says:

          I’ve done wrestling in elementary and high school, judo currently, a little BJJ, boxing (never sparred unfortunately), karate, Sil lum kung fu, karate, Tangsoodo (spelling?) and will probably do sambo tournaments in the future.

          I WIN!! Anymore dick measuring contests to partake in?

        • 45 Huddle says:

          I don’t think it was a big dick sort of question. It’s a valid one.

          Nobody is saying you have to be some level of athlete to have an opinion.

          But I think you certainly have to experience what it’s like to be out on the mat in some capacity to really have a basic understanding of what they are doing out there.

        • Chuck says:

          I agree. Especially when it comes to injuries or whatever other abnormalities, like cauliflower ear. I suffered the cauliflower ear (left ear) and had it drained two years ago. It’s still fucked up, but not as bad. Having it FUCKING HURT!!! And I think I have permanent hearing loss in the same left ear because of it. Not bad but still (could be allergies and sinuses though, so who the hell knows until I get it checked?). And I’m only 25 years old, so I can’t even imagine what it will be like when I’m even 35.

          And I also suffered ring worm, and it isn’t NEARLY as bad as people say it is. Just tape that shit up and get back out there. And bathe regularly of course.

  8. david m says:

    I’m sorry, that is not a rebuttal. Your entire “thesis” is that guys from outside the UFC suck and nobody ever improves (both of which are laughable).

    Your ridiculous excuse, that Anderson lost due to weight concerns (wtf?) is rendered even more inane by the fact that Takase (one of the scrubs who submitted him) has 3 losses around his win over Anderson. If you can’t process the correlation, what I am telling you is that Takase sucks, and any weight issues that you have just invented had nothing to do with the result.

    Otsuka, another can who submitted Silva, got knocked out by Phil Fucking Baroni 7 months later. How good could Anderson have been at this stage if he was getting subbed by cans who were getting stopped by the NYBA?

    The only logical conclusion is that guys can improve. You for some reason cannot put this together.

    I see you are clinging to the fact that Anderson was champion in a smaller promotion to show he was a great fighter before he came to the UFC. This is such a horrid argument because Nick Diaz is champion in a much more important organization than Shooto. How can you reconcile these two facts? I know, you are going to say that Nick didn’t crush everyone when he was a 22 year old kid in the UFC. But again, we have already established that Anderson has improved (at least the sane readers of this page), and thus it is possible for other fighters to improve.

    Additionally, if you want to cling to the idea that Nick already had a shot in the UFC and can’t improve whereas because Anderson never fought in the UFC before so thus he was able to improve (LOL at how dumb your argument is), how do you explain J2S losing outside of the UFC (he was never a champ outside of the UFC, so spare me your bullshit about how someone can be established outside), but never losing inside? Do you think the competition is better outside the UFC, or do you think he has improved? Please explain how J2S and Anderson can improve, but Diaz can’t. Thanks.

    ADDENDUM (The site won’t let me post): I just read that 45 said that Anderson had already proven he could be the best in the world by winning the SHOOTO title. BWAHAHAHAHAHA, what a fucking hypocrite you are. Jesus Christ. Shooto title = best in the world now? I am embarrassed for you. I want to know how Shooto title was the best in the world but Strikeforce titles don’t show that a champion is capable of being the best in the world.

    • spacedog says:

      45 is not saying that people can’t or don’t improve outside of the UFC, he is saying that your record against B-Level competition can’t be used as proof of that supposed improvement.

  9. Jonathan Snowden says:

    To address the headline, Overeem did not say his next fight would be in October.

    “I’m not sure, I’m not sure. I think probably October or something.”

    Two I’m not sures, a probably, and a something. I don’t know that that’s definitive.

  10. Jonathan says:

    Just to point out that this site be re-named “45 Huddle Comment Wars & Replies”, for that is pretty much all the comments have turned into.

    • 45 Huddle says:

      I agree. I stopped posting on this site for 2 to 3 weeks at one point and the comment section turned into a graveyard.

      • Jonathan says:

        I’ve given up trying to fight you 45 Huddle, but I remember when you left, and no, the comments did not die up. Were there less of them…probably. But a graveyard is a bridge too.

        As for what you wrote there…what are you trying to say. That this site needs you?

  11. Light23 says:

    I think people are overreacting to Overeem’s performance. Yes, it was sloppy but that was due to Werdum flopping to the ground every time Overeem tried to hit him.

    According to FIGHT Magazine rankings, Werdum was ranked about the same as Overeem, JDS, Lesnar, Barnett, and Silva. Overeem beat Werdum in a close fight, and hence pushes slightly ahead of them to become the no. 2 heavyweight.

    JDS may be better though. I think Overeem could beat him, but I foresee him turtle shelling under pressure and getting TKO’d. 🙁

  12. jack says:

    45Huddle posts waaaayy too much. Especially since he is wrong 95% of the time.

    What exactly was wrong with Barnett’s performance?? It looked like a complete domination to me. What, because he didnt finish him in the first round and some people booed when he was in mount, this wasnt impressive at all? Not surprising that 45Huddle wouldnt think this was a good performance, considering his obsession with UFC and UFC-style MMA. Or was it because Brett Rogers wasnt a good enough opponent? Either way, no matter how you look at it, Barnett did what he had to do.

    And why exactly are you completely convinced that Brock Lesnar or Shane Carwin would beat Fedor, Bigfoot, Sergei, Allistair or Barnett and take this tournament? That may be the most unfounded and unsupported piece of opinion I’ve ever heard you say. What an idiot.

    (btw, if you have a problem with me “name-calling” you, too bad. Get over it)

  13. jack says:

    My mistake…you didnt say Carwin. But you did say that Lesnar would “easily” win this tournament.

    You are out of your mind. Seriously.. He got submitted by Frank Mir. He almost got KTFO by Carwin, and he got destroyed by Velasquez. How do you come to the conclusion that he could easily win this tournament?? You are absolutely out of your mind with UFC nuthuggery… Seriously you’ve gone COMPLETELY off the deep end.

    Please stop posting on this site. You bring the level of this site sooo far down it is an absolute shame.

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