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Ultimate Fighter Heavyweights finale (12/5 Las Vegas)
By Zach Arnold | December 2, 2009
Venue: The Pearl at the Palms
- Heavyweights (up to 265 pounds): Jon Madsen vs. Justin Wren
- Lightweights (155 pounds): Mark Bocek vs. Joe Brammer
- Welterweights (170 pounds): John Howard vs. Dennis Hallman
- Light Heavyweights (205 pounds): Brian Stann vs. Rodney Wallace
- Heavyweights (up to 265 pounds): Darrill Schoonover vs. James McSweeney
- Heavyweights (up to 265 pounds): Marcus Jones vs. Matt Mitrione
- Lightweights (155 pounds): Frankie Edgar vs. Matt Veach
- Catch weight (215 pounds): Kimbo Slice vs. Houston Alexander
- Light Heavyweights (205 pounds): Matt Hamill vs. Jon “Bones” Jones
- Ultimate Fighter Heavyweight finals: Roy Nelson vs. Brendan Schaub
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Roy Nelson; Officially the Mac Danzig of this season. Hey, at least he finally got the UFC contract he probably deserved. It will be a shame to see him cut after his first loss though.
This is straight from Bloody Elbow;
“Nevada State Athletic Director Keith Kizer just informed MMAjunkie.com that the disqualification result was the first-ever use of instant replay in the commission’s history. After halting the bout, Mazzagatti asked for the replay to determine whether the illegal blows contributed to the ending of the fight. When replays showed that the elbows scored directly to the eye, the disqualification result was issued. Because the illegal blows landed as part of the sequence that ended the fight, the ruling was made.”
So there you go. We’ll see what comes of this.
Any who, that was a hell of a knockout win for Nelson. The second I took at the list of competitors on the past season of TUF I predicted Nelson to win, or at the very least to get to the finals. Clearly I was correct on both accounts. Man do I rule!
The people who were expecting the heavyweight division to be replenished must be shellshocked right about now.
-Big Baby gets knocked out cold for the 3rd time in his career
-Schoonover continues to regress and look fatter in every fight
-Early favorite Demico Rogers doesn’t even make the finale card
-Alleged blue chip prospect Brendan Schaub gets folded by a guy with a 5 inch reach disadvantage and a 55 inch waist
So the crop of winning talent is Roy Nelson, who should have been signed long ago, James McSweeney, who otherwise would have been a UK scene lifer, and Matt Mitrione, a fighter who doesn’t belong in a major promotion.
Alan re: stoppage vs stopping the fight, my gripe is that Mazza should have stopped it way before then.
sorry typo, supposed to have said “re: stoppage vs point deduction”
Watched the HBO fights live.
GREAT fight show on HBO.
Then watched the UFC show on Spike.
Not so great. Oh well. You’ll get some shit boxing shows on occasion, and you’ll get some less-than-great MMA shows on occasion as well.
I think I would have scored that fight for Alexander.
One judge had it 30 to 27 in favor of Kimbo? There needs to be an investigation into that garbage. How do you win a round without doing anything other than getting leg-kicked by your opponent repeatedly? 29-28 in favor of Kimbo is wrong, but 30-27 in favor of Kimbo warrants nothing less than an investigation into the judge who turned in that scorecard.
Apparently, the awful-ness of the Kimbo fight is going to be blamed on Houston Alexander, as Meltzer said in his recap, “Dana just said he thinks Kalib Starnes was working Houston’s corner. I sense Alexander is on the endangered species list.” Who is going to get blamed for the next Kimbo fight being awful, and the one after that, and the one after that?
This show also featured two of the dumbest moments in recent UFC announcing history. First, how could Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan act like Jon Jones won his fight when Matt Hamill could not continue? Jones landed four illegal elbows, he got called for the illegal elbows, he got a point taken away for the illegal elbows, and Goldberg and Rogan were just discussing the illegal elbows, and then when it became clear that Hamill couldn’t continue, then they were acting like Jones won all of a sudden? It shouldn’t take a rocket scientist (or even a seasoned MMA announcer, for that matter) to know that if a fighter can’t continue after a strike (or four) that is both illegal and intentional, then the result of the fight is a disqualification.
Also, on a night that featured the Eric Bischoff of the 2000s (Dixie Carter) sitting next to Eric Bischoff himself, at a show promoted by the Vince McMahon of the 2000s, Mike Goldberg put the icing on the cake with this line: “If you’re not a fan of Hulk Hogan, then you’re not a fan of entertainment or sports!”
Sorry,but I just can’t see giving Alexander that first round. Even though he may have actually scored a wee bit more over the course of the five minutes, his actions were SO damned non-combative it was almost a total farce.
So in the end I had it 29-28 for Kimbo.
A wee bit more? Slice landed almost nothing in the first round, while Alexander landed numerous good leg kicks. If neither fighter is being aggressive but one of them is actually landing numerous strikes and the other isn’t, how can the fighter who wasn’t landing the strikes win the round? Alexander wasn’t doing much, but Slice was doing even less.
I hope you guys didn’t drive off 45, he evens out the sky is falling sentiment on the UFC.
More great work by the NSAC’s doctors (nothing gets past them): Mike Goldberg said that Matt Veach had herniated disks in his back. So, add “herniated disks” to the long list of injuries that have somehow eluded the eagle eyes of the NSAC’s doctors (a list that also includes broken feet, broken hands, torn ACLs, torn shoulders, and severe, hospitalization-requiring staph infections).
Mazzagatti is the new Landless. Although larry has to be the worst ref ever.
Good riddance to 45ufchumper
I want to know which judge scored the fight 30 to 27 in favor of Kimbo. If it was Glenn Trowbridge (who was assigned to be a judge on this event), and if that doesn’t result in Trowbridge ceasing to get bookings as an MMA judge, then that will show that the athletic commissions do not, in fact, have low standards for MMA judges. It would show that they have no standards for MMA judges.
Combined with a career’s worth of grossly incompetent decisions in MMA fights, if Trowbridge also scored the fight 30 to 27 in favor of Kimbo and there are still no consequences, then that would mean that MMA judges could do literally anything without facing any consequences, short of jumping into the cage in the middle of Round 2 and declaring that the referee is the winner of the fight by virtue of “Octagon Control.”
What a trainwreck. Hadn’t watched an event at home in awhile. Are there always that many production problems? Fat guys, guys tired in the first round, horrible technique, a nazi sponser, a rules violation not appropriately explained by the announcers….is this big time sports?
I never thought i’d see a day where I would give Kimbo props, but sadly thanks to Houston’s pathetic performance or lack thereof that’s exactly what I was doing after the fight.
Alexander needs to be cut asap, he is the new Starnes that was freaking pathetic. It’s one thing to follow a gameplan and fight smart it’s another to look scared and not want to fight. It wasn’t until he was getting beat up and embarrased by a guy who has no business going more than 1 round with Alexander that he finally manned up and and fought.
Say what you want, i’ve been as big a Kimbo basher as there has been, but tonight he not only saved the fight from being unwatchable but actually showed some skills other than brawling.
Houston on the other hand, just threw away a life changing fight and will regret this for the rest of his life. Kimbo isn’t on his level he should have come out and mauled him like he did Jardine and Sakara and made himself a star now he’s going to be a joke like Kalib was against Quarry what an idiot.
Ivan you sound rather apoplectic. Neither fighter did much in the first or third round. First round I scored 10-10, Kimbo clearly won the 2nd, and the third was very close because Houston dropped Kimbo with a low kick but Kimbo scored a takedown. You could make an argument Kimbo won the first and the third. No need to pretend like Houston did anything to win the first round; he didn’t. It was the worst round I’ve seen since Shamrock Severn 2 or Starnes Quarry.
I agree with Ivan on this. I just don’t see any plausible way Kimbo won round 1. You may not have liked the action, but the fact remains, the stikes that were landed, were landed by Houston.
I guess “Octagon Control” trumps all else, for those looking for a reason to award the round to Kimbo. That is nonsense. “Octagon Control” should be utilized when, for the most part, all other things are otherwise equal. That wasn’t the case–Kimbo almost literally landed nothing at all in Round 1.
That said, on the scoring, 119-110 in the Williams fight? I had it 114-114, or possibly 115-113 for Sergio. 119-110 for Williams was by FAR the worst card of the night. Props to Kellerman for naming names.
I exercised at the gym late nite and they were re-showing the UFC fights. I stand corrected on round 1. It wasn’t as close as I thought it was. Round 3 though was anyone’s round. Both landed some shots, both were exhausted, Kimbo got a takedown, Houston got a knockdown. 29-28 one way or the other was the appropriate score.
Also, before anyone gets too despondent about “45 Huddle” taking his trolling elsewhere and/or simply moving his trolling over to another alias, let’s not forget the depths to which he was willing to sink in the name of trolling.
Remember when a different troll (“mmalogic”) said regarding Brett Rogers’ marketability “black don’t sell PPV” and 45 Huddle actually defended “mmalogic”?
Remember such racial rhetoric such as this?
“45 Huddle wrote:
Here is a swooping generalization…. Black’s don’t give back what they expect of others when it comes to discrimination.
For years, the black community has fought for equal rights. And yet stuff like Tiger pulled shows no favor in return for equality in women. Or when it comes to gay rights, blacks are easily over 50% in favor of not allowing gay marriage. It’s hard to feel bad for a group that discrimates against others but then asks for you to not look at the color of their skin.
Not to mention all the other minority groups such as Asian and Indians (I know technically they are Asian too), who come over to this country and absolutely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is possible to be a minority in the US and to be a perfectly functioning part of society.
Nobody is giving any favortism to these cultures, and yet they are constantly outperforming everybody else in America. They aren’t offing each and making the inner cities unsafe. They aren’t a burden on the system financially. They come to this country and become productive parts of society.
No group in America has demanded more and done so little to earn it then African Americans. Obviously, that is a major generalization, as just like any sub group in America there are good and bad people. But at some point I wish the media would call a spade a spade and actually look at the hypocracy of the black culture in America…”
I, for one, am not going to miss thread after thread being ruined by the same troll trying to get a rise out of people.
By the way, the URL from which the quote in the previous post came is http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/09/18/floyd-mayweather-uniting-all-fans-against-him-with-various-remarks/
Funny for a guy who is glad that 45 is gone you sure like having his name in your mouth. I for one will miss him he’s one of the few people on here who isn’t a blind hater desperate to put down the UFC at everyturn, this place is like a d-league version of Sherdog with the way people love to reach to hate on everything UFC and prop up everything that isn’t the UFC.
Welcome back, 45!
As for the Slice-Alexander farce, I had R1: Alexander 10-9, R2: Slice 10-9, R3: could be scored either way. Like every other “controversial” decision, I have no sympathy because the fight sucked. They should have both been given a loss for having no cardio. I realize they’re both past their athletic primes, but come on, go on the Randy Couture spinach diet or something.
EJ has a point about the people who loathe 45 so much that they can’t stop talking shit about him … even when he is not here. That is just lame and reeks of reverse man-crush.
45 is gone. Stop talking about him already.
A 45 Memorial thread is more in order than this stuff. He was a legitimately good gimmick poster.
John Morgan of MMA Junkie stated that Dave Hagen is the judge that gave Kimbo the fight 30-27 for those that are interested…
His postings were so prolific lots of people associated this site with him as much as they do with Zach. He certainly wrote long enough comments to qualify as a staff member. When Jeff Thaler went M.I.A. I remember people calling for him to take his spot on the radio show and the idea didn’t get as shat upon as you would think even if the idea was said in jest. So yeah, this is more than if EJ stopped posting. Nobody would notice. But 45 was an institution (even if he belonged in an institution) so I don’t know why anybody is shocked it’s a story here.
But I still miss RUSSIAN THUG~! more.
(And before anybody jumps on me, I was being sarcastic.)
Re the Jones DQ: Aren’t MMA records mostly cosmetic anyway? Can’t see how this hurts Jones even short term – doubt Joe Silva is going to hold the DQ against him for matchmaking purposes.
Jesse-I think the Jones loss hurts because it sounds better to call someone an undefeated challenger than to say “13-1 challenger” because if someone has already lost casual fans might assume he isn’t as good as if he would be if he had never lost. When Jones is 30-1 in 8 years, we will look back at this as his Fedor moment, except that he is the one who delivered the illegal elbow, not the one who got cut open like a slaughtered pig.
I just watched the card…I thought it was hilarious and awesome.
There is a website called Wrestlecrap that celebrates hilariously bad pro wrestling moments. Somebody needs to start an MMA version of this and feature the past 90 days of UFC.
I do not disagree with the Kimbo Alexander desision at all. I know some people will say that he landed more leg kicks than Kimbo did punches but the leg kicks he was landing we doing no damage at all. Kimbo was the one stalking Alexander as he moved around the ring. I would of given the first rounf Kimbo 29-28, Second round 30-27 Kimbo and thrid round 29-28 Alexander.
As for the card it was not the best card for sure but it had some good point. I think Jon Jones looked fantastic and dont see the DQ keeping him from moving up the ranks in the UFC because of how he manhandled Hammil. Also Roy looked good. Shuab may not be a big named fighter but he was a golden govels winner that was knocked out by a guy with a 5″ reach disavantage. I think Nelson will do good in the UFC. he will just have to watch out for Shane and Brock as I think they could control him.
“I would of given the first rounf Kimbo 29-28, Second round 30-27 Kimbo and thrid round 29-28 Alexander.”
No offense, but that’s not how the scoring system works at all.