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Options limited for UFC 11/21 Las Vegas show with Lesnar out
By Zach Arnold | October 26, 2009
Now that Yahoo Sports reported that Brock Lesnar has canceled his booking on the November 21st card due to illness, it didn’t leave the company with many options as far as booking a replacement fight.
On paper, booking Shogun vs. Machida in the re-match here would have made sense because both men last trained for each other and there’s a desire for a re-match… but there’s no way either could fight due to medical suspensions by the California State Athletic Commission. Same case with Cain Velasquez, as you could have naturally booked him and Shane Carwin for the November 21st show in a #1 contender’s match (but not with the standard medical suspensions).
Which leaves us with Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin, a perfectly acceptable fight for business. I would anticipate it drawing better numbers than previous UFC shows over the last few months, but certainly the card could use a boost. Dan Henderson getting a new deal here would make a lot of sense, as a fight with him and Marquardt would really legitimize the card and get the attention of both casual and hardcore fans.
As for Carwin/Lesnar happening on January 2nd in Las Vegas, I wonder if that means Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort becomes the semi-main event or if Silva’s camp backs off of taking that booking. You would think that with Lesnar’s name attached to the PPV that it would increase the chances of Silva’s camp taking the fight because of the bigger buyrate, which in turn means bigger $$$$.
Lesnar’s training partner spoke out about the fight cancellation today in The Las Vegas Sun.
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Stuff like Lesnar postponing the fight only highlights the need for the UFC to have a Featherweight & Bantamweight Championship. With only 5 titles, it is very easy for 1 or 2 delays to really mess things up. Lesnar is sick. Silva is hurt. GSP is hurt. There options are absolutely limited.
If they had 7 champions on the roster, not only could they book more PPV’s with title headliners, but they also would have a better chance of having proper short notice fill-ins for situations exactly like this.
Plus, this will mark 4 out of 5 PPV’s without a title fight. That is 100% unacceptable and needs to be fixed. Part of the problem was their booking of Lesnar, GSP, Silva, and Penn all within 30 days of each other. And when they do that, this is the type of stuff that follows. Short terms gains for longer term failures.
I also saw somebody suggest that Fitch vs. Alves 2 get moved up to the UFC 106 undercard. I think it is a great idea. It is only 3 weeks earlier and it would really add some depth to this now depleted card. Here would be 4 of the 5 televised fights for each card….
UFC 106
Ortiz vs. Griffin 2
Fitch vs. Alves 2
Parisyan vs. Hazelett
Rogerio Nogueira vs. Cane
UFC 107
Penn vs. Sanchez
Mir vs. Kongo
Florian vs. Guida
Buentello vs. Duffee
Time to slip Snipes vs. Rogan in there and maybe give Dan Quinn a shot.
Meltzer wrote, “We’ve been able to confirm Lesnar has been sick so that part of the story is real.”
What in the heck is that supposed to mean? Which part of the story ISN’T real? It seems perfectly reasonable to me that he wouldn’t be able to fight if he’s that sick. We’ve seen what happens when fighters fight with bad infections (ie, Nogueira vs. Mir), and it’s not fair to the sick fighter or to his opponent.
The UFC is supposed to be announcing a co-main event for 106 sometime this week. We’ll see what they can come up with.
Some possibilities
-Belfort vs Marquardt-Solidifies a number 1 contender for MW while allowing Anderson Silva to rest.
-Nogueira vs Velasquez-To see who gets the winner of Lesnar/Carwin.
-Have Chuck return and fight Rich Franklin.
UFC 106 went from “must see TV” to “won’t bother to steal it.” Too short a period of time to realistically bump anything around or get a real co-main scheduled. It’ll end up being Other Nog/Cane as the co-main because its not even official yet.
And honestly, I don’t care if the UFC wants to put Anderson on UFC 108 and stack the shit out of it. Gets us to the burning the fans out faster on lousy cards and means that I have a PPV I can justify the cost of. I’d be fine with that.
It’s too late notice to put on a big fight but I just hope they don’t steal the Swick vs Hardy fight from 105 or anything like that!
Ivan, I think Meltzer was referring to the speculation on his board that UFC intentionally postponed the Lesnar fight to January because Anderson Silva couldn’t fight on the January card.
I’d go for a Jardine/Franklin Co-Main Event that would give UFC 106 some added name value and you wouldn’t have to move around the other cards.
Overall while it sucks that this fight got postponed shit happens, luckily for the UFC they are in a position where a huge fight like this can be postponed and the UFC can still make lots of money.
I do love the fickle nature of ‘teh internetz’.
Yesterday: “Leznaar sux, Carwin wud DESTROY him, disgrace to the sport” etc
Today: “Lesnar is out? I’m not buying 106 anymore!”
Gotta love it!
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My dream situation? Cain Velasquez somehow gets cleared and steps in to fight Carwin. His manager has already mentioned taking that proposal to Joe Silva, if Cain’s hands are ok.
Lesnar fights Nogueira on 108, with Hendo vs Marquardt on the undercard, giving Anderson Silva time to figure out when/who he is going to fight next.
UFC 106 which I had been highly anticipating is now a watch the good fights on the web card. 107 I will watch if there is nothing better going on. Otherwise I’ll watch the fights I want to see on the web.
UFC is really watering itself down. They are now on par with HBO. The past three events have all been broadcast quality events. Not ppv.
They need to get a TV partner to pay $5 mill per event and make up for these 300k PPV cards. Go to a 4-6 ppv per year model. Otherwise they’ll burn out the audience the way wrestling did.
2005-2009 is the same run wrestling had from 1996-2000 when it boomed, started dipping then busted. A lot of that was from oversaturation and constant PPV events that were ripoffs. UFC needs to avoid that mistake.
I’d support Franklin vs anybody. Guy’s always ready to rumble on short notice.
As an (ex?)carny anything can look like a powerplay. Like the theory Ken Shamrock bladed himself because his attempt to hold Elite up for more money failed, the theory would be Lesnar faked being ill if UFC wasn’t giving him what he wanted. I think that theory is completely stupid because being on the show with the Ortiz-Griffin fight would have generated much more PPV buys (and therefore more PPV bonus) than the rescheduled fight with Anderson “No Buys” Silva as the co-main.
As for 106, I think the card is strong enough that it won’t need an additional fight to be a big seller. The return of Ortiz will get at least 600,000 buys on the lowball guesstimate. And that’s better than anything they’ve had in a while.
They need to get a TV partner to pay $5 mill per event and make up for these 300k PPV cards. Go to a 4-6 ppv per year model. Otherwise they’ll burn out the audience the way wrestling did.
That’s the problem. The UFC doesn’t actually generate big ratings. Right now, there’s a gap of millions between them and a network deal. They could theoretically wait for the PPV revenue to start sloping back down before considering the loss of viewers, but that comes with the perception that the UFC is a slumping fad.
As I’ve said all along; Network and HBO deals might have beens serious 2 1/2 years ago, but its BS now. Dana recently said in an interview that he thinks that the UFC isn’t going to do a weekly show “until the time is right”, which is loose and obvious code for “when someone is willing to pay us enormous, NASCAR kinds of money for a weekly program”. I’ve lost faith in that pipe dream too. But hey, TUF will be on for another 5-6 seasons….maybe Kimbo can come back for all of them!
\”They need to get a TV partner to pay $5 mill per event and make up for these 300k PPV cards. Go to a 4-6 ppv per year model. Otherwise they’ll burn out the audience the way wrestling did.\”
Amen, the only reason i watched UFC 104 was because of Shogun, one single fighter.
Look at the upcoming events, ufc 105 is a joke, only fight i be watching is Kang. Couture vs vera, what\’s that all about?
The next event that has a _decent_ card is ufc 108, perhaps some single fights on ufc 107
Thank god for upcoming Strikeforce event in november and – hopefully – a stacked DYNAMITE!!! card.
I think people are quick to forget that Brock Lesnar is a quitter. That’s why Meltzer had to confirm the sickness was “real”.
Lesnar was given too much, too fast in the WWE, and he walked out on a huge money contact.
Why?
Because, of course, competing in the NFL was his life long dream, and dammit, he won’t sleep until he succeeds at it!
Brock tries out for the Minnesota Vikings, and gets cut. OK, that dream didn’t work out, so instead of training harder he quits. It turns out his REAL dream, after all, was to compete in MMA!
Once again, he gets too much, too fast. He’s champion after a couple fights, and now he has millions more than he’ll ever spend or need.
What’s his next passion? Hunting? Sports fishing? I wouldn’t be surprised if he relinquishes the UFC title in 2010 to become an outdoor sportsman full time.
That said, I hope he continues his title reign in the UFC because at this point the UFC, and the sport, desperately need him.
You could be on to something in 2010, but he’s going to get a few big paydays (and this one was going to probably be his 2nd best next to UFC 100) so it never crossed my mind that he would leave now. But let’s say Carwin knocked him out or he loses to Dos Santos in his next defense, then the demotivation would begin.
Remember he didn’t want to leave the WWE until he got pushed out of the main event because Eddie Guerrero was drawing better than he was. (I’m sure the fact that he was a 5’7″ 190 pound guy that he had to lose to didn’t sit well with him.) If he runs through the HW division (and if he beats Carwin I think he would because it means he has a great chin) then he sticks around until he beats everybody and retires. He damn sure won’t stick around long enough to fight Fedor if he’d ever show up in UFC.
5thRound points out that Brock was at the Minnesota Vikings vs. Baltimore Ravens football game 2 weeks ago, even though he had claimed to be in bed with the flu for 3 weeks.
http://www.5thround.com/news/14378/brock-lesnar-didnt-look-sick-at-vikingsravens-nfl-game/
Some people are speculating, since this is a giant ex-pro wrestler we’re talking about, that he might believe he couldn’t pass a steroid test.
From Chris Tuchscherer, Lesnar’s training partner….
“He actually practiced (Sunday) and thought he might be feeling alright. He said, ‘Wow, I think I’m doing OK today.’ (Monday) he got here and it was the same old stuff – fatiguing right away, not being all there.
“After practice we were all sitting around, we were actually going to come back later at night to work out again, and he basically told us, ‘Hey guys, I’m going to pull out of this thing.'”
I think anybody who has been really sick knows how it works. I’ve had colds that I have sworn I have been over and worked out that day…. Only to be even worse then before that very night.
According to Meltzer, Dana White is looking to get Rua/Machida 2 on the undercard of Lesnar/Carwin on January 2nd. Rua agreed to it. Machida is waiting to see if he is healthy enough.
If the rematch does happen that soon, Rua will absolutely win. This sort of stuff is hard to get over mentally. Machida might have won, but deep down he was mentally defeated by the end. That can be erased over 2 or 3 wins before a rematch.
It will absolutely be working against him if they rematch again.
Sherdog has an interesting article up about Rampage. He was complaining about Rua/Machida. It is scary how many factual errors Rampage has about the sport. It’s as if he doesn’t have a clue how things work. Not a shock I guess….
On a complete side note…. If Machida starts to play the same games Silva has been playing about opponents and having these injuries…. I fully expect Dana White to start playing hardball with Ed Soares. Nogueira would not get a title shot and they would try and get him in fights that he should lose instead of trying to get him towards another title shot. They will publicly announce that Machida or Silva (or both) were offered fights and let the media handle it with public perception.
All great points, 45.
If the Jan 2 card has Lesnar/Carwin and Rua/Machida II then it will be a must-buy PPV for me. Until then there isn’t much going on.
re: the waffling on a rematch…I guess it’s the Soares Effect.
The once humble, gracious Machida was quite a douche after his ‘win’ (and yes, I’m use sarcastic quotations around that word). Just proclaiming that “All three judges chose me!” was pretty lame. What about “That was a hard fight”, “It could have gone either way” or, “Shogun had an amazing performance”?
And now with this crap?
Wow, saying that the three judges thought he won the fight makes Machida a “douche”? When he said that, I took it to be the standard answer that most fighters give in such a situation, where they usually say that their job is to fight and the judges’ job is to judge. As Joe Rogan always (rightfully) points out whenever there’s a controversial decision, it’s not the winning fighter’s “fault” that the judges scored the fight a certain way. It’s the judge’s fault.
Also, it’s nice to see that Kevin Iole is still doing what Kevin Iole does best: Whenever there’s a controversy related to the UFC, minimize, minimize, minimize. He did it on the night of the Machida/Shogun fight by saying that Shogun had nobody to blame but himself, and now he is saying that he thinks the fight was (surprise!) even closer than he originally thought!
The constant PPV model sucks. I think it’s hilarious if they just run Tito v Forrest 2 as the main event. If it does a good buyrate, it’s proof that the idiots will buy anything. How hard would Dana have shit on a fight between Tito and someone who is 0-2 in his last two fights if it took place anywhere else?
Even if it took place on free TV you’d have someone like 45 huddle writing up a 5 paragraph post on how that disgraces the sport.
Sucks for people who bought tickets to 106.
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Iole is a moron but it’s pointless talking about at this point. It became evident when EXC & WEC were the same weekend and he ran a piece saying how lame it was that the EXC card ran 45 mins over time. Not a peep about the WEC though that ran so late that my DVR cut off before the main event started.
Ortiz vs. Griffin will sell well. At least 500,000. Ortiz is a draw, its as simple as that.
Ortiz/Griffin as the main event ONLY screws over people who purchased tickets. They are stuck with over priced tickets. In no way does it screw over everybody else. We just don’t have to buy the PPV. It’s as simple as that. I still think the event can be saved by adding in one more good fight…..
I can’t believe that there are actually some people taking it semi-seriously that Dana White said that Dan Henderson’s contract demands are to be the highest-paid fighter in the UFC. It shows that he can literally make up anything and some people will believe it.
Also, the idea that the UFC would intentionally delay Lesnar’s November fight because their January card wasn’t strong enough is just a ridiculous idea. The more times Lesnar fights per year, the more tens of millions of dollars go into Zuffa’s pockets. The sooner Lesnar’s next fight is, the sooner his next fight after that will be (hence pulling Carwin from the Velasquez-Carwin fight, so that Lesnar wouldn’t have to wait until early 2010 to fight again).
It also makes no sense that the threat of a future PPV event possibly not having a marquee main event would cause the UFC to postpone a fight, thereby ensuring that their next PPV will definitely not have a marquee main event (and will instead be headlined by two fighters with a combined record of 0-4-1 in their last five fights)… and for the UFC to do all of this less than a month before the show, when all of the PPV advertising has already gone out. It makes no sense. I don’t know what in the heck Meltzer was talking about when he said that at least the “Lesnar being sick” part of the story was true (implying that some other part of the story was nfot true), but it makes no sense for it to be that the UFC intentionally delayed the fight.
so fightlinker has a post showing Lesnar blowing this massive Vikings horn last weekend. if he’s really sick, is that really something he should be doing?
Three idiotic judges robbing Shogun of the Light-Heavyweight Title wasn’t the only embarrassing event of UFC 104 – not by a longshot.
– Three fighters failed to make weight
– Anthony Johnson missed the mark by 6 pounds, which is beyond unprofessional. At 6’3 and naturally 200, cutting down to Welterweight is borderline ridiculous; it looked like a LHW beating the crap out of a LW.
– Another famous Mazagatti decision robs the fans of a decisive finish, and yet another main-event fight is ruined because of his incompetence.
– UFC’s failure to immediately call for adjustments to the broken judging system is a tacit endorsement of this garbage to continue, which will unfortunately ruin more important fights.
Casual viewers are definitely wondering if MMA is going the way of boxing, with fixed decisions and corruption. I don’t think it’s going that far (yet) but perception is reality, and Saturday night looked bad from several angles.
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You know no matter how many times I read UFC haters posts it still amazes me how full of crap they are. Almost every ppv they put on sucks nd isn’t worth paying money for. But then they will turn around and hype up whatever bs fights another org throws at them as a great card it’s truly incredible. Between that and the conspiracy theories most hardcore mma fans are quickly becoming worse than WWE marks shit is embarrasing and needs to stop.
45 Huddle- your post makes no sense: “If the rematch does happen that soon, Rua will absolutely win. This sort of stuff is hard to get over mentally. Machida might have won, but deep down he was mentally defeated by the end. That can be erased over 2 or 3 wins before a rematch.”
So Machida may have won, and in his post-fight interview says he knew he won, but he is somehow mentally broken? What about Rua? He fought as well as he could possibly fight, didn’t fall for any of Machida’s tricks, was able to once again be competitive in a fight despite having no punching technique at all, and yet he will definitely win despite the devastation of losing a fight he thought he won?
Look at the two fighters by the last round. Rua had pop to his step and Machida looked like a defeated man. It doesn’t matter what Machida says. That body language could not be hidden.
I fully expect Rua to have a lot of confidence going into that rematch and for Machida to be tentative. Not elusive, but tentative. And it will show very quickly on.
If every fight were determined by who won the last round, then the history of fight sports would be a lot different.
Neither one of them did much in any round, honestly.
I am not sure how having a bum leg and thus being slower on the feet translates to being mentally broken, but I guess you’re an expert.
Ultimo, to be fair about the weight thing, 2 of the fighters were less than 1 pound over and were fighting each other, so they just decided to do a catchweight. Lots of fighters come in 1 pound over on the first weigh-in. It’s not a big deal.
AJ missing weight by 1.5 Caranos is ridiculous though.
I’m not sure what you want the UFC to do about judging. Dana said point-blank he thought Shogun won, and that he had no control over judges. The 10 point must isn’t perfect, but I’ve yet to see a viable alternative. If they adopted the Pride judging, complaints about decisions would explode.
Dana White should come out and say what everyone is thinking: the system is BROKEN. And he should offer suggestions, publicly and often, on how to improve it.
How can they improve scoring?
Half points and the ability to give a 10-10 round would be a good start.
Attempting to finish the fight and aggression should be the #1 factors in judging a round, no question.
And making the judges watch instant replays in between rounds would let them see who landed more and with better accuracy during heated exchanges.
Also ringside is a lousy place to watch a fight from. It’s very easy to be blocked by one or both of the fighters’ bodies or referee. Very often you see a head snap back and don’t know if it is from a punch, incidental contact (ie the fighters bang into each other and one guy’s head goes back) or if the fighter was slipping a punch or blocked it with his arms.
The problem in fixing this is you can’t put the judges in row 15 of the stands where they should be. Because the fans would be all over them. So the only choices are to put them in a press box with TVs or give them monitors cageside.
Also idiots like Cecil Peoples shouldn’t be judging. Or refereeing. Or anything important on fight night. He is one of the true clowns in MMA. I’ve heard him give asinine fighter instructions before shows. He’s more concerned with making himself seem cool to the guys in the locker room than giving a sensible rules explanation.
I don’t know how familiar everyone on this board is with how judges get their jobs, so if you know this forgive me. All State Athletic Commission jobs are appointed. A lot of the people in these positions are friends with whatever political party is in power in a give State. Then you get assignments given to whomever is a boxing fan that is friends with the Commissioner or various politicians. There is no competency requirement. No monitoring the way baseball umps and football refs are monitored. In those sports guys that blow calls get reprimanded. There is also extremely nebulous criteria for judging.
10-10 rounds and 10-9.5 rounds would go a long way to fixing things in MMA which consists of small numbers of rounds. If you steal a round in MMA that is huge. Whereas in boxing beginners fight 4 rounds (1 round longer than a standard MMA fight and 1 less than an MMA championship fight) and the typical TV fight goes 10 or 12 rounds. The 10 point must system can work in boxing because there are lots of rounds. So you have a better reflection of the work done by both fighters overall on the scorecards. That’s not to say judges don’t constantly get in wrong in boxing. They do. But it is usually because idiots are judging.
In NJ, Nick Lembo would make judges explain their calls if they were controversial. Is there any recourse at all in NV or CA?
Keith Kizer posted on the UG today that he hadn’t even seen the fight yet. Seems like the head of the athletic commission should be keeping tabs on the refs & judges they also employ, especially when there’s major controversy.
The scoring system needs to be fixed. Look at the Cowboy/Henderson & Shogun/Machida fights. Sure, you could argue that Benson & Machida won on the cards under unified rules by points…but who do you think really won the FIGHT?
Benson went to the hospital…Lyoto was visibly fading in the 4th and the 5th was the easiest round to call of the fight. Not saying the Pride scoring is the answer, because it was super vague, but there is some credence to judging the fight on the whole.
Anthony Johnson is staying at welterweight, with his next fight being on the November 21st card against Josh Koscheck. And why shouldn’t a man who cuts from 225 continue to fight at 170?
As for the Koscheck-Johnson fight, given that Rich Clementi was able to take Johnson down and finish him on the ground, I think Koscheck will be able to as well.
Kizer is Nevada. The fight took place in CA.
The idea to have judges watch a monitor is absolutely stupid. Sorry for being so harsh, but it is. A lot of times it is talked about that the power punches seen live translate differently across a screen. This is true for boxing and MMA. Having them watch it on a monitor would be detrimental to the sport.
Also, people ALWAYS complain about the scoring and yet I have yet to hear one good way to fix it. Assigning points to moves is worse. Having half points if confusing. Having a lot of 10-10 rounds would make Jordan Breem have wet dreams but hurt te sport when fighters are having 24-7-15 records.
There is NO solution to MMa judging. I repeat, there is no solution. There is no way to quantify what is more important…. A punch, kick, knee, takedown, superior position, or submission. Each is subject to the way it is being executed and the power behind it.
With that said…. The 10 point must system is the best system for MMA. It allows for a more wide open viewing of what is happening. It makes sure the sport doesn’t turn into point fighting. Perhaps they could find better judges…. But there will always be weird decisions like Rua/Machida or Bisping/Hamill. As long as there isn’t horrible corruption or completely inept judging…. People just need to accept it.
One last point. This talk about making people who try and finish the fight more basically always win. That is beyond highly subjective. It is what Pride did. And it is a horrible way to judge a fight.
Terrible fight for Koscheck. I don’t know what’s wrong with him, but he actively refuses to look to build long term in his career and take his time training for specific opponents. Instead, he’s on the fast track for becoming an opponent.
As for Johnson getting taken down; he’s much bigger, is a wrestler by background, Koscheck has next to no submission game, and Kos also has shown that he’s chasing bonuses now for, what, his last 5-6 fights? I see Koscheck continuing to fall into the opponent phase of his career. Total waste of talent.
Half points and the ability to give a 10-10 round would be a good start.
Research, my dear, research.
NAC 467.796 Method of judging. (NRS 467.030)
1. Each judge of a contest or exhibition of mixed martial arts that is being judged shall score the contest or exhibition and determine the winner through the use of the following system:
(a) The better unarmed combatant of a round receives 10 points and his opponent proportionately less.
(b) If the round is even, each unarmed combatant receives 10 points.
(c) No fraction of points may be given.
(d) Points for each round must be awarded immediately after the end of the period of unarmed combat in the round.
2. After the end of the contest or exhibition, the announcer shall pick up the scores of the judges from the Commission’s desk.
3. The majority opinion is conclusive and, if there is no majority, the decision is a draw.
4. When the Commission’s representative has checked the scores, he shall inform the announcer of the decision. The announcer shall inform the audience of the decision over the speaker system.
(Added to NAC by Athletic Comm’n by R070-01, eff. 8-31-2001)
10-10 rounds are allowed. Never been amended to disallow them. They’re just strongly encouraged to pick a winner in a round in both boxing and MMA.
I don’t see fractional points doing anything either, personally. Boxing has experimented with that to no real value.
Should add that judges, like everyone else, end up watching good portions of the fight on the big screens hanging around the arena. It’s the only way they can follow the action on the ground.
The best solution would be to sit ringside to hear and see th epower of the blows, while also having a monitor, like the Fertittas and Dana use, to watch the TV feed (minus the biased commentary).
I know! That commentary was SO biased.
Like when Shogun would land a strike, and they would call it. And then when Machida would land a strike, and similarly, they would call it.
And when Shogun was landing more significant power strikes they pointed it out! *gasp*
So, so biased. It infuriates me.
The commentary was SO biased, the crowd didn’t even nee to hear it to be influenced! When they all booed Machida out of the building for getting the decision, they were probably absorbing the biased comments through osmosis.
Commentary tends to be more biased than silence by virtue of the fact that it comes from the mouths of men. There’s some outrageously hilarious examples of biased commentary; My fav to this day is still Fitch/GSP.
Yeah, Ultimo, clearly, you’re right. How could anyone competently score without Joe Rogan telling them how he feels about a fight? While we’re at it, let’s have the fans be the third judge via text messages or something.
Just to be clear, I was talking about biased commentary generally. I haven’t heard the Shogun-Machida playcall, I was at the event.
The point is that you don’t want an outside opinion influencing the judges. It wasn’t a commentary on any particular fight.
45 I’m not suggeting they only watch monitors. Rather that they have a monitor to see what is happening on the ground or clinch when the fight is in an obstructed view spot for them.
I guess I’m wron about 10-10. I thought they could only do that in kickboxing in Nevada.
Half points work because if a round isthisclose you do 10-9.5. Then if the next round is decisive either way the fighter who wins it is in the lead. The scores after rd 2 will be either 20-18.5 or 19.5-19.
I would have had the shogun machida fight
1 10-9.5 shogun
2 10-9.5 machida
3 10-10
4 10-9 shogun
5 10-9 shogun
49.5-47.5 for the winner and new lhw champ.
Even if you gave Machida the first two rounds 10-9.5 if the judges weren’t retards Shogun still wins 49-48.
Zach,
At the upper right hand corner of this page…… that MMA Tycoon guy. He has always scared me. How much longer does he have to be there?
Rogan and Goldberg still have their issues…. But they are not half as bad as Frank Mir or the Showtime guys. And HBO Boxing has had some
embarrassing moments as well. It hard being
impartial