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The obligatory “OMG! Fedor vs. Barnett” post

By Zach Arnold | May 21, 2009

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See, both fighters have reportedly agreed verbally, but no contracts have been signed. Enough cold water to pour on the fight?

So, if the fight takes place, ponder the following questions:

  1. Does the fight impact the standing of both men in their profession as far as the outcome goes?
  2. Over/under the amount paid to watch the fight in Anaheim – 7,000.
  3. Over/under the PPV buys it draws – 60,000.
  4. Is this going to be the last Affliction MMA event?

Don’t worry, the fact that I asked these questions means that I am ‘quick to piss on the excitement’. Who used the Original Whizzinator in that guy’s cheerios this morning? *sigh*

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91 Responses to “The obligatory “OMG! Fedor vs. Barnett” post”

  1. Mark says:

    1) Only if Barnett beat Fedor. Which I don’t see happening.

    2)I’ll say under 7K since it’s common knowledge if you want to see Affliction you can just wait until the day of the show and get a free ticket.

    3) Unfortunately, Affliction doesn’t have the means to make people care about Josh Barnett the way they should, so I’ll say over 60K but short of 100K.

    4) What else does Affliction have besides this fight? The only main event I’ve heard brought up as an idea is Tito vs Fedor which hell would freeze over if that happened. This is the fight they’ve been hyping since day one so where do they go from here? Add that to a lack of money and I see a grim future for them.

  2. I see the UFC counter programmming on spike they have space on the schedule to do so

  3. Nepal says:

    1. It that a trick question? If not, the winner either becomes or remains the no. one fighter in the world.

    2. Over
    3. Over
    4. Nobody knows.

  4. Alan Conceicao says:

    Does the fight impact the standing of both men in their profession as far as the outcome goes?

    Well, yes. If Fedor wins, its yet another top name he’s dominated in a highly competitive fight. If Barnett wins, he’s the best heavyweight in the world.

    Over/under the amount paid to watch the fight in Anaheim – 7,000.

    Probably.

    Over/under the PPV buys it draws – 60,000.

    Everyone seems to agree now that they’ve done 6 figures for both previous PPVs and I’d expect this to be no different. If anything there’s a strong outcry for this fight than the Arlovski one, and they have a guy who speaks english to hype it (even if he’s not really marketable).

    this going to be the last Affliction MMA event?

    Probably. If so, at least they ran highly entertaining and competitive MMA shows. Count me as one of the people significantly more interested in this fight than Mir/Lesnar II. They’re the WEF/Battlecade of their time and will ultimately be remembered as such, even if they’ve crashed and burned.

  5. Ultimo Santa says:

    1. Absolutely. Both men.

    A Fedor win hurts Barnett because right now, he’s the only fighter who stands a chance at beating the #1 guy on the planet. Everyone else has not only been BEATEN by Fedor, but exposed by him. Especially if Fedor submits Barnett – or even wins a decision by dominating on the ground – that nullifies Barnett’s standing as MMA’s best Heavyweight grappler.

    And Fedor is the only fighter to have never competed in the UFC that the non-hardcore fans seem to know (through Youtube, message boards or possibly cultural osmosis). If he loses before he gets to the UFC, his mystique is shattered.

    2. Over. Maybe 10k-12k.

    3. Over. They’ll do maybe 100,000 or so. Not significantly more or less than the previous PPVs.

    4. Yes. RIP Affliction. They had two very entertaining shows.

  6. Grape Knee High says:

    If Barnett wins, he’s the best heavyweight in the world.

    You can’t possibly be saying this with a straight face.

  7. Alan Conceicao says:

    Well, most places have him ranked in the top 3-4. Fedor is #1. If he beats Fedor, only Dana White and a couple people who like Dana White a whole lot won’t be ranking Barnett as #1.

  8. 45 Huddle says:

    Tito Ortiz will likely go to the UFC. He already so no to Affliction. Strikeforce is still an option, but I can’t see him saying yes to an organization that doesn’t allow elbows. That would kill his game.

    With that said, without Ortiz, this is Affliction’s last important fight. They have done really nothing to build anything else up. They have just taken other companies fighters (Pride and UFC) and made some mega fights, while paying them way too much money compared to their earning potential.

    When all is said and done, Affliction will only be a tiny tiny blimp on the radar of MMA history. And Tom A. will just come across as a bad promoter with money to throw at big fights.

    Fedor should win this one. Winner of that fight is #1 in the world (and I don’t even have Barnett in my Top 5 right not). Winner of Lesnar/Mir is #2 in the world (#3 if Fedor loses, which he won’t).

  9. Mark says:

    No, most rankings are done by win-loss records, and even with a loss Fedor still has a better win-loss record than anybody.

    And Barnett could beat Fedor but he still isn’t the best fighter in the world. He still got his ass kicked by Cro Cop who Fedor dominated. He still went 1-1 against Nogueira whereas Fedor dominated him every second of the fight twice.

    There’s a difference between beating somebody and being better than them. Like nobody said Keith Jardine was a better fighter than Chuck Liddell after he beat him.

  10. Dave says:

    This is as far as Fedor can go without getting some ink on a Zuffa contract, so this is good if it does happen. Sure, it won’t break any ground for Affliction and this will probably be the end, but that is what happens. I don’t know if Atencio really imagined even accomplishing what they did accomplish.

    I think those estimates are pretty much in line with what they’ll get, which is what it is.

    Kid Nate is a worthless sack of dildos, wow.

  11. Mark says:

    He has a much different definition of “success” than anybody else on the planet it seems. “Success” means it made money or at the very least got worldwide recognition. Affliction has gotten neither. Sorry, Kid, but critical acclaim doesn’t mean anything.

    Also I don’t see how this is going to get more buys than Arlovski did. Andrei is a much bigger star than Josh Barnett is. He’s not a better fighter, but he’s a much bigger name. And nobody was all that happy with what that did.

  12. klown says:

    If Fedor wins he reinforces his status as the world\’s top fighter.

    If Barnett wins, first, I eat crow (I have him ranked #17) and second, I\’ll rank Barnett as the #1 HW fighter in the world.

    Mark, I think win-loss records are not very meaningful. Quality of competition is far more important. And there is no more definitive way to seize the top spot than to defeat the #1 fighter in battle.

  13. Alan Conceicao says:

    No, most rankings are done by win-loss records, and even with a loss Fedor still has a better win-loss record than anybody.

    If you lose, you drop. I don’t care if he’d be 30-2.

    And Barnett could beat Fedor but he still isn’t the best fighter in the world.

    Given linearity and all that, he would have the best argument for it. A lot better than either Lesnar or Mir, really.

    He still went 1-1 against Nogueira whereas Fedor dominated him every second of the fight twice.

    Beating Fedor would be the eraser. Look: Every heavyweight worth anything has lost a fight, if not multiple fights. Frank Mir was laid out by Brandon Vera after Cro Cop beat Barnett the third and last time (in a one night tourney). Oddly, Mir’s record is treated as if the Vera loss is no longer relevant. Barnett’s detractors happily remark about the Cro-Cop loss, though.

    There’s a difference between beating somebody and being better than them. Like nobody said Keith Jardine was a better fighter than Chuck Liddell after he beat him.

    I remember a lot of people doing that. Almost everyone had Jardine above Liddell in the rankings too. That changed again after their next fights.

  14. robthom says:

    I can almost promise that it aint gonna happen.

    It would definitely be fun to see, barnett would definitely lose, but I’d give barnett a smidge of respect for finally taking his beating like a man.

    But it aint gonna happen anyway.

    barnett’s gonna weasel out of it with an injury, a contract impasse, something.

  15. 45 Huddle says:

    I’m not Barnett fan, but if he beats Fedor, he is #1 in the world.

    It’s one thing to MAYBE put a guy like Paulo Thiago below Josh Koscheck because he was a complete unknown and the punch could have been a fluke. But typically I would still rank him ahead of Koscheck for one fight and then see what happens after that.

    With Barnett, I’m not fan, but he already has name value and at least a Top 10 resume (not Top 5). That means a win over Fedor makes him #1 in the world.

    I can’t wait to see the winner of Lesnar/Mir get ranked below Fedor, Arlovski, & Barnett in some rankings. Makes for some great comdey.

  16. Mr. Roadblock says:

    1. It’s another feather in Fedor’s fedora if he wins. If Barnett wins I bet he retires and calls himself the best ever. Fedor will win though.

    2. They packed that building the first show. If they coheadline with Babalu/Tito or Tito/Vitor II they sell 12,000 tickets.

    3. Around 100-150k.

    4. Barring a tv deal it will be the end of Affliction running by itself. I could see them teaming with Strikeforce an doing 3-4 shows per year on ppv and calling them “Strikeforce: name of event. Presented by Affliction.” or powered by Affliction.

  17. Mike Rome says:

    How would their most anticipated fight do 60k if the last two did over 100k?

    It’ll do decent, probably 120k. Super stoked for this, hope it’s in Anaheim.

  18. robthom says:

    “I’m not Barnett fan, but if he beats Fedor, he is #1 in the world.”

    That seems fair enough. Thats how it works with the UFC guys.

    Remember Matt Serra #1 in the world. 🙂

    But what about when he loses?

    You think he’ll drop to #3 or just hover there at #2 with light coming out of his hair?

  19. klown says:

    I think rankings should be linear even in the case of possible flukes (Serra-GSP or Thiago-Koscheck).

    Then one of two things happen: either the “flukey” winner keeps winning and thus proves it wasn’t a fluke, or else, he loses soon after and is exposed.

    If he loses and is exposed as a fluke, the rankings will seem skewed but only temporarily.

    Over time, the rankings will self-correct as the flukester keeps losing and dropping below those who beat him, and as other figters beat people ranked higher than him and push him further down the charts.

  20. RIS says:

    If you beat the undisputed linear champions (Fedor, Evans, GSP etc) you automatically become the MAN/linear champion of the world.

    It doesn’t matter where you are ranked before hand and even if you don’t deserve the title shot, you get credit for beating the true champion. Serra deserved it after beating GSP.

    Barnett vs Fedor is a great fight, personally I would label it an MMA superfight but at the very least its a high level heavyweight championship fight (sorry Brock, but you are a paper champ).

    It will be competitive, both fighters are similar but the problem is that Fedor is better at every aspect of the game. Barnett knows this and thats why he has been avoiding the fight, credit to him if he finally mans up. I don’t see how he can get the KO, sub or outwork Fedor.

    MMA fans are to fixated on the “orgs”, too much of the pro-wrestling mentality that is holding back the sport. Sure its sad that a promoter which will have put on three great PPVs is going out of business and it raises the question if anyone but ZUFFA can succeed. However, who really cares? They are putting on a very compelling fight, Afflictions financial future won’t have any effect on me enjoying the show. Credit to them for giving Fedor the opportunity to fight three elite heavyweights instead of freak shows.

  21. The Gaijin says:

    Put it this way – Barnett is retarded if he tries to stand with Fedor and it took Barnett 13+ minutes on the ground to put away Yvel(!!!). I wish him all the best.

  22. Mark says:

    So I guess you all believed in 1990 that Buster Douglas was a better boxer than Mike Tyson?

    And I’m not a “Barnett detractor” I’m a fan actually. I’m just saying there’s no way he’s actually better than Fedor, even if he did win in August. And to me what you did over the course of your career means more than what you did in your last fight.

    I hate rankings, but would go for the old MMAWeekly way of judging based on win-loss records than knee-jerk reactions over what they did in their last fight. Especially in a sport with so many upsets as MMA.

  23. Alan Conceicao says:

    Buster Douglas won the heavyweight title. No one argues that. Holding that distinction means you’re the best heavyweight in the world. Same goes for any other sport: Hey, maybe the Giants would have lost 9 out of ten times to the Patriots, but they won the one time it really counted.

    Fedor is the true heavyweight champion in MMA. Beat him, you’re the champ. The other belts are meaningless, regardless of how many people watch the fights.

  24. Alan Conceicao says:

    BTW, can we stop talking about the “unpredictability” of MMA? 3 divisions in MMA have dominant champions. Everyone likes to point to Serra/GSP I, but those people aren’t so hot about discussing Cote/Silva.

  25. Grape Knee High says:

    Fedor is the true heavyweight champion in MMA. Beat him, you’re the champ. The other belts are meaningless, regardless of how many people watch the fights.

    I suppose I can see where you’re coming from, but your viewpoint seems a bit myopic to me.

    The guy who is “#1” implies to me that he is overall, the best in his weight class. That doesn’t mean that he can beat everyone, necessarily, just that he can beat more of the top guys than the others in his weight class.

    I don’t think one loss changes this, especially to a fighter like Barnett, who I don’t think is in the Top 5, maybe not even in the Top 10.

    If you want to consider the “#1” title as changing hands like a belt, I can’t argue with that. But, then that means we’re not talking about the same thing.

  26. Zack says:

    I don’t think you pissed on the excitement. Those are honest questions.

    If the fight comes off, MMA fans should really be grateful that Affliction was able to put together three Fedor fights where he fought guys in the top 5 or top 10. I think most likely it will be there last show.

    I’ll buy a ticket, just like I did the first two times as well. Live shows are so much easier to watch and enjoy in a ring.

  27. Ant says:

    “Zach Arnold is quick to piss on the excitement:”

    Geeks.

    Whether Fedor wins or loses this fight means nothing because outside of the hardcore, mma board posting super fans, and fighters no one and I mean NO ONE outside of that small group of people even knows who Fedor is or has even heard of him.

    I know people on the internets hate it, but to the general (MMA buyrate producing) public, MMA is UFC. So until Fedor fights in the UFC, whether he beat Barnett or not, whether Affliction lives or dies, Fedor will never be known or respected (as he should be) by the general (ppv/ticket/merchandise buying) public, until he fights in the UFC.

  28. klown says:

    It’s meaningless to say “Barnett beat Fedor but Fedor is better”. So what does “better” mean if not the ability to prevail in a fight? And I’ll add, it should be the PROVEN ability to prevail in a fight, not a hypothetical ability.

    People dis rankings because they use subjective systems based on their opinions of who is “better” in some abstract sense. If people just take rankings as measurments of ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENT – i.e. beating other ranked fighters – it starts to make a lot more sense.

    I mean, who knows who is “better” in some cosmic sense – and who cares? All that matters is who won the fight.

  29. Mark says:

    Well, the heavyweight titles that Douglas won meant something. Fedor has the MMA equivalent of the WBO heavyweight title.

  30. smoogy says:

    No, Fedor has the equivalent of the Ring Magazine title… he is recognized as the true heavyweight champion of MMA.

  31. uhuehehe says:

    1. Absolutely

    2. Under

    3. Under

    4. yes

  32. Jeremy (not that Jeremy) says:

    I’ve got Barnett rated as #3, below Nog and, bizarrely, above Cro Cop (who has been slip slip sliding down the charts, but the picture in UFC is full of relatively new fighters…what are you going to do).

    Probably not a shock given that they all were part of the Pride game, and had a lot of heads handed them on plates, in addition to having fought one another (fighting high ranked opponents will bump you higher with a win and drop you less in a loss in TS) frequently.

    I don’t know if beating Fedor would pump Barnett’s rating high enough to be the number one or even number two HW on my charts. It would be a monumental achievement though.

    If nothing else, Affliction did manage to put together three Fedor fights that were not going to happen in any other promotion given the demands of his managers.

    I’d probably wait for HDNet to replay this one, though. The cards haven’t generally had a lot of depth for me. I guess I’d have to see the final card to decide. This one fight isn’t enough to motivate me to pay.

    Jardine’s no where near elite, not even close. He’s a better fighter than 95% of the guys out there, but in the top 5%, he’s a blip, and most of the fighters that anyone cares about are in that top 5%. Barnett does not fit that same description.

    45, I can guarantee you that if I ran numbers after Lesnar/Mir, they would still be ranked below Barnett, Nog, and Fedor. The UFC heavyweights are (with one exception), rated well below the “gang of three” former Pride guys. As noted above, that’s in part because of the way that Pride was run, but that’s how it stands.

    Dismissing organizations is just silly in my book. Just who do you think is going to pay the fighters and make these events happen without promotions? Fedor and Barnett aren’t going to be barnstorming State Fairs this summer, unless they’re paid really well to do it.

  33. 45 Huddle says:

    Just going to play a little devil’s advocate here.

    1. Fedor has never competed in the UFC. We have seen so many great fighters look unstoppable outside of the UFC, and then look horrible inside the octagon. Octagon Jitters are real.

    2. When is the last time he has fought in a cage?

    3. Fedor’s biggest blemish might not be a Loss, but will be the fact that he never fought in the UFC, with the true spotlight on him. Some will say Pride is the equivalent, but many fighters would disagree (and have said so).

    It’s like the great players of the Negro Leagues, either never playing in the MLB or only getting a chance near the end of their career. There is always that question mark surrounding what could have been.

    To say Fedor is the #1 Heavyweight, without question… when he has never fought on the biggest stage, kind of adds some questions to that equation.

    “Whether Fedor wins or loses this fight means nothing because outside of the hardcore, mma board posting super fans, and fighters no one and I mean NO ONE outside of that small group of people even knows who Fedor is or has even heard of him.”

    This is true. Lesnar/Mir 2 is the big Heavyweight Fight of the summer in the eyes of the fans.

  34. 45 Huddle says:

    “45, I can guarantee you that if I ran numbers after Lesnar/Mir, they would still be ranked below Barnett, Nog, and Fedor.”

    So Mir beats Nogueira in their last fight, and is still ranked below. That’s illogical. It actually makes no sense.

    I love it how the UFC basically has a 4-Man Tournament that had Couture & Nogueira in it. At the start of it, anybody would have said the winner is #2 in the world. But because Lesnar/Mir each won their first round bouts, all of a sudden everybody’s rankings go down in the UFC.

    Typical hardcore MMA fanbase. Always putting down UFC fighters, while artificially inflating the rankings of non-UFC fighters, despite direct results to the contrary.

  35. Jeremy (not that Jeremy) says:

    Single fights do not determine the sum of a career, 45.

    It’s the same reason that the pennant was debased when MLB went to playoffs. Is it more exciting because something’s on the line? Sure, but the value of that objective is diminished because it wasn’t earned over the course of the entire season.

    Of course, in baseball it wasn’t quite AS debased as it has been in other sports. Conference championships are totally meaningless in any other major sport at this point, because to get them you just win the game that qualifies you to compete in the real championship.

    I may be old fashioned, but to me, the shield is always going to be more important than the cup.

  36. Jeremy (not that Jeremy) says:

    And all of that doesn’t mean that I’m not looking forward to Lesnar vs Mir. I know that I’m more interested in that fight than I am in Fedor vs Barnett, and I know that a hell of a lot of other people feel the same way.

    That’s totally separate from the results of a synthetic rating system, however. I find significant interest in that beyond who’s holding what belt, in part because analyzing how synthetics work helps me understand more about their limitations and reveal interesting fighters that I would never have paid attention to otherwise.

  37. Kid Nate says:

    Hey Zach,
    Wrote that post in a hurry, used poor word choice. Didn’t mean to offend. Must have subconsciously been responding to your phrase “pour cold water”.

  38. 45 Huddle says:

    I wouldn’t even try and compare the baseball system and the MMA system. In baseball, winning 60% of the games is great.

    Against the current crop of Top 10 fighters (using Sherdog’s just for the sake of discussion), Nogueira is 2-4. Mir is 3-0. We all know Mir has had some losses when coming back from his surgery, but he seems to be back to old form (if not better). And Mir has a MUCH better history against current Top talent then Nogueira does.

    So whether you look at it as a single fight (Mir vs. Nogueira) or against the current Top 10, Mir is above Nogueira.

  39. Makea says:

    1. Only for Barnett
    2. Over
    3. At least 100k like the other two
    4. I thoroughly enjoyed both shows and look forward to purchasing future PPV from them.

  40. Coyote says:

    Damm this post just dont have sens.

    Im from Mexico and i know Fedor is the best, he change the way to train MMA, he beat 4 UFC champions. USA guys stop being puppets from UFC. There is more than Joe Rogan, TUF and that Dana.

    please.

  41. Coyote says:

    You say Fedor is not the best.
    The best is for you:

    Anderson Silva
    George St.Pierre
    Lyoto Machida
    Shane Carwin
    Brock Lesnar
    etc….. and the list is gonna continue for all the time.

    Fedor is the best, and a real example of a fighter. ¿Or you dont like he es Russian? I dont understand why you dont accept it. Fedor is the best.

  42. RIS says:

    UFC jitters? Fighting in front of 40,000 live fans and with over 10 million watching on network TV doesn’t count as significant enough?

    The beauty of the linear system is its simplicity (as long as the line isn’t broken and the champion doesn’t face low ranking bums for the rest of his career, eg. the light heavyweight title in boxing: Michalczewski to Gonzalez to Erdei).

    You beat the man to be the man. In 2003 that man/undisputed champion was Nogueira and Fedor beat him to become the new champion. Since then he has beat every top heavyweight outside if Barnett. Sure Mir, Brock and Couture are now relevant but they didn’t matter up untill 2008 and 2007 for Randy.

    We are suppose to be the hardcore, educated fan base right? So gives a dam if some TUF noobs don’t recognize Fedor? He is fighting the best and making millions. Brand names don’t matter.

    Buster Douglas was the heavyweight champion after beating Tyson, it didn’t matter what belt he had because he beat the MAN. He lost it in his first defense against Holyfield. Boxing hasn’t had an undisputed heavyweight champion since Lewis retired, but we are getting somewhat closer.

  43. 45 Huddle says:

    “UFC jitters? Fighting in front of 40,000 live fans and with over 10 million watching on network TV doesn’t count as significant enough?”

    Happened to Rampage, and he even admitted it. Kang looked gassed after the 1st round in his UFC debut. Shogun looked horrible. It happens to guys who have fought in front of huge Japanese crowds and then come into the UFC.

    And if people are really going on this linear championship thing…

    Heavyweight: Fedor Emelianenko
    Light Heavyweight: Rashad Evans
    Middleweight: Damian Maia
    Welterweight: Georges St. Pierre
    Lightweight: Gray Maynard… Some people might say Satoru Kitaoka

    As you can see, it doesn’t always work. It’s got two of them wrong. And if you want to go down to Featherweight and Bantamweight, neither Brown or Torres are the linear champions, as those would have come out of Shooto. And almost everybody agrees that both are #1 in the world right now. So that is 3 out of 7 using the linear system. FAIL!!

    Linear works to a degree, but sometimes when a shift in a division happens, rankings need to be adjusted.

  44. Alex Sean says:

    1. Absolutely. The winner of this fight is, most certainly, the best heavyweight outside of the UFC and most likely the best heavyweight in the world.

    2. Likely under 7,000.

    3. Over 60,000 buys.

    4. No.

    Now to address something. Since before Day of Reckoning, Zach, you have gone above and beyond out of your way to slander and criticize Affliction beyond a point that you even remotely criticize the UFC. You approach Affliction’s cards with this cold, calculated, business-minded perspective but ultimately all it does is take away from the two things that nobody can deny Affliction has done with it’s two cards.

    1. Book some of the most interesting fights and best cards in all of MMA.

    2. Pay fighters very well.

    Is that the greatest business model for long term success? Maybe not. But I, for one, am grateful that not only have I gotten to see some fantastic fights but the fighters I appreciate have been paid very well for those fights.

    Ultimately, why the negativity? What has Affliction done so terribly wrong that they deserve to be criticized by virtually everyone to such a degree that it makes it near impossible for them to build ANY momentum whatsoever? Let’s say Affliction has been spending far more than they’ve been making. And let’s say that ends up putting them out of business after this card. In three cards Affliction will have put on more important fights for the overall sport of MMA than IFL, EliteXC, and Strikeforce combined in three cards and paid their fighters much better.

  45. jr says:

    Affliction needs to keep the undercard costs low

  46. ashura says:

    1. If Fedor loses, he is done, at least in USA. He also should feed the whole M-1 Global and support Red Devil, that’s why he said that he started to feel rich not long ago(???? ???? ??????, ?? ? ??????? ??? ?? ??????, ?? ? ???????? ?????? ??????).
    2. Yeah, about 7000-8000 people should pay for their tickets.
    3. We will never know the real numbers of PPV buys.
    4. I don’t think this is gonna be the last Affliction event. Maybe it will take some time to buid-up another great card, but I’m sure they will return. Maybe Fedor-Overeem? Just imagine:
    Affliction VI: Banned(2008)
    Affliction VII: Day of Reckoning(2009)
    Affliction VIII: Return of the Jedi(2009)

    And after 15 years great comeback:
    Original Affliction trilogy:
    Affliction Episode I: Andrei The Phantom Menace(2025)
    Affliction II: Attack of the Pro-Wrestlers(2026)
    Affliction III: Revenge of the Fedor(2028)

  47. Alan Conceicao says:

    And if you want to go down to Featherweight and Bantamweight, neither Brown or Torres are the linear champions, as those would have come out of Shooto.

    Unless you had vacancies or departures. Guess what? That happened.

  48. IceMuncher says:

    “Single fights do not determine the sum of a career, 45.”

    Then you should have said your ranking system was for “lifetime achievement”. As a system that determines the fighters’ current rankings, putting Nog above Mir makes absolutely no sense and disproves the accuracy of your system.

  49. EJ says:

    Does the fight impact the standing of both men in their profession as far as the outcome goes?

    No, the people who worship non-UFC fighters will rank them one way the people who are pro-UFC will rank them another.

    Over/under the amount paid to watch the fight in Anaheim-10,000 sounds about right.

    Over/under the PPV buys it draws-
    85,000 it should do about the same as the other 2 PPV’s have but i’m sure Atencio will claim a ridiculous number as usual.

    Is this going to be the last Affliction MMA event?-Probably but if it’s not it’ll be another 6 months before Affliction 4 so it won’t matter.

  50. IceMuncher says:

    “Unless you had vacancies or departures. Guess what? That happened.”

    In a linear system, wouldn’t the vacant title go to the next best Shooto fighter? You can’t have a linearly ranked #16 American fighter bump ahead of the other 14 because the #1 guy leaves. He would have to be #2, which is almost impossible because of the lack of cross fighting between Japanese and US fighters.

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