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Thursday trash talk: The future of BodogFight

By Zach Arnold | August 8, 2007

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The current RSS feed for the WEC HP is here. However, as you notice on their HP, the feed is severely lagging behind the site updates. So, two questions: a) is this the correct RSS feed to be using and b) why is the current RSS feed lagging behind time-wise?

Time for our stock market gurus to take a look-over at this latest SEC filing by Pro Elite.

The trusty Mikeinformer sent me a link to this news article, which claims that BodogFight’s deal with the Ion network will expire in February.

Sam Caplan asks an ethical question to the MMA media.

Sean Sherk’s attorney, Howard Jacobs, speaks out.

A brand new edition of MMA Smackdown, reviewing the IFL and WEC events from the past week.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review has an article today warning about the dangers that MMA fighters will be facing in the upcoming years.

A sign of things to come? Brand new RINGS HP on display in Japanese.

I don’t know about you, but back in the day when I was in school… we didn’t have to deal with organized MMA fights on the playground near the turtle bars.

Onto today’s headlines.

  1. MMA Passport: Top 5 U.S. training teams
  2. Fight Network Radio: Loretta Hunt talks about the fallout from the CSAC meeting on Monday (MP3 audio)
  3. Five Ounces of Pain: Nick Diaz to fight Mike Aina on September 15th
  4. The Ironwood Daily Globe (Michigan): LLW graduate Jake Bonacci training UFC champions (more information here)
  5. Sportsnet (Canada): MFC owner Mark Pavelich eyes bigger picture
  6. The Goldstream News Gazette (Canada): Locals eye future in MMA
  7. Royal Burnell: It’s official… the California State Athletic Commission is run by bizarro
  8. The Fight Network: Mirko Cro Cop’s secrets revealed?
  9. Yahoo Sports (Kevin Iole): Floyd Mayweather Jr. wants to hear from you. Yes, you.
  10. UFC Mania: Josh Burkman booked for UFC 77 in Ohio
  11. UFC Junkie: Eric Schafer vs. Stephan Bonnar set for UFC 77
  12. Fightlinker: Watch Fight Network stuff on Joost
  13. The Bozeman Daily Chronicle (MT): Reborn fighter Andrew Rice taking the ultimate journey
  14. The Fight Network: 9/15 Hawaii event card line-up featuring Nick Diaz and Gina Carano
  15. Sherdog: Priscila Belfort’s murderer confesses
  16. Sprawl ‘n Brawl: Eddie Bravo messes with the new students
  17. Kevin Iole: Joe Stevenson climbing the lightweight ladder

Topics: BoDog, Boxing, Brazil, Canada, IFL, Japan, Media, MMA, Pro Elite, UFC, WEC, Zach Arnold | 37 Comments » | Permalink | Trackback |

37 Responses to “Thursday trash talk: The future of BodogFight”

  1. Ivan Trembow says:

    lol at the hack in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review showing us all just how educated (or uneducated) he is about even the most basic of MMA-related issues, as he refers to MMA matches as “bare-knuckles fighting.” If he talked to his friends at other mainstream media outlets, they could have told him that Zuffa added gloves in 2001…

  2. Zurich says:

    Uh, is it just me or does Cro Cop’s training routine look a little light? I say this compared to Lyoto Machida’s, which can be found here:

    http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=519

  3. Ivan Trembow says:

    Also, I’ll repeat the same thing that I said a couple of days ago when Sean Sherk’s attorney, Howard Jacobs, said the same thing— that Sherk’s “recent positive test was a very low level of steroids.”

    That is false. From a U.K. Channel 4 story on nandrolone, quoting no less than the head of the World Anti-Doping Agency (keep in mind that Sherk’s levels of nandrolone were 12 ng/ml):

    “Olympic laboratories, tasked with ensuring that their tests are fair as well as effective, have researched natural nandrolone production regularly over the past quarter-century, the most recent study being conducted at the 1998 Winter Olympics in Nagano, Japan.

    There, of 621 competitors tested after competition, only five produced results where their nandrolone levels exceeded 0.1 nanograms per millilitre of urine (ng/ml).All five were women. The levels in women are marginally higher, as a result of a different hormonal make-up and use of the contraceptive pill. But the levels are still minimal. Nobody in the Nagano tests exceeded 0.4ng/ml.

    This just served to confirm the IOC’s cut-off levels – a doping-control speed limit, where anything above 2ng/ml in men or 5ng/ml in women is regarded as an offence. Basic arithmetic suggests that the IOC scientists have set themselves a generous margin for error – 2ng/ml being 20 times what might be regarded as a “normal” level of nandrolone in men. So can there really be any doubt at all when someone registers over 2ng/ml of nandrolone that it is not the result of endogenous production? When Linford Christie tested positive for nandrolone in Dortmund in February 1999, it is reported that the levels found in his sample were more than 200 ng/ml – or roughly 2,000 times above the estimated natural levels.

    “From what I understand, the medical data shows the only way you can go above the 2ng/ml level is by ingesting the drug,” says Dick Pound, the Canadian lawyer who as the head of the World Anti-Doping Agency, is the world’s leading anti-doping official. “You can eat boar’s testicles all week and not reach that level.”

  4. Michaelthebox says:

    His memory ain’t what it used to be, and he blames fighting for it?

    Maybe, just maybe, its cause he’s getting older? My memory ain’t what it used to be, and I’ve never taken a punch in my life.

  5. John Griffin says:

    Zach

    The WEC RSS feed is only serving items posted to WEC.tv i.e. it’s a feed of their content only. Most of the news stories on the front page link off to other sites such as the LA Times and the Houston Chronicle and as such are not included.

  6. ukiro says:

    Cro Cop’s training schedule looks ok to me, apart from one thing that I felt was very strange – 4-5 km runs at 60% intensity? Either he has a problem with runner’s knee preventing longer/harder runs (I have this problem myself), or he still, to this day, does not take conditioning as serious as he should. OK so not everyone can be like Nick Diaz and perform elite times in triathlons, but I would double the running length, and add interval training as well. There’s no mention of swimming or biking so I would assume that the running is all the pure conditioning he does.

    As for the other stuff in the schedule it’s all kind of vague but should get him 3-4 hours, which should be enough in a day. If you need more, you may want to look at HOW you train or face over-training.

  7. Tomer Chen says:

    Time for our stock market gurus to take a look-over at this latest SEC filing by Pro Elite.

    Regarding the Pro Elite filing, it looks like they made a private placement to gain some extra cash. They sold shares and warrants to 4 institutional investors (as well as paying the underwriter in part with warrants). The terms of the deal appears to be a delayed selling period of 18 months (meaning the stock is pretty illiquid, hence the extra warrants offered with the shares) for the investors of Pro Elite.

  8. Grape Knee High says:

    ukiro, can you really say Cro Cop’s lack of cardio training is really all that shocking? It’s not like it hasn’t been proven in the ring that Cro Cop gasses.

  9. When’s the last time CroCop has gassed in the ring? Last long night for him i can remember is the Final Elimination 2006 and he seemed fine in that.

  10. Luke says:

    “Regarding the Pro Elite filing, it looks like they made a private placement to gain some extra cash. They sold shares and warrants to 4 institutional investors (as well as paying the underwriter in part with warrants). The terms of the deal appears to be a delayed selling period of 18 months (meaning the stock is pretty illiquid, hence the extra warrants offered with the shares) for the investors of Pro Elite.”

    I’m a reasonably intelligent fellow, but I graduated college with a degree in Philosophy. Therefore, I am able to tell this response is sufficiently explanatory, just not for someone of my academic background.

    Translation, please. Thanks.

  11. Grape Knee High says:

    I’d say Cro Cop looked tired against Yoshida, Barnett 2, and Fedor off the top of my head. I think overall he gets away with his lack of cardio since he puts his opponents away pretty quickly.

    Maybe “gassed” was an overstatement. However, I do think that if you look objectively at his overall skillset, “cardio machine” is not in that list. IMO, cardio is one of his weak points.

  12. Tomer Chen says:

    I’m a reasonably intelligent fellow, but I graduated college with a degree in Philosophy. Therefore, I am able to tell this response is sufficiently explanatory, just not for someone of my academic background.

    Translation, please. Thanks.

    Basically, Pro Elite sold a bunch of shares with warrants (which are options to buy shares at a later time at a set price, $7 per share in this case) to 4 institutional investors (huge banks, hedge funds and/or mutual funds) that purchased the shares via a private placement (a private selling/auctioning of shares through an underwriting company – Hunter World Markets in this case – to these investor firms).

    The only catch (and likely the main reason besides the iffy nature of the MMA business and Pro Elite’s status in the market that the warrants were attached to the shares) is that the investors are legally unable to sell the shares for 18 months (and depress the share price) in the secondary market (IE: between companies and private investors rather than a direct selling by the company in question, as is this case). As such, the warrants will allow the investors to have the option to gain more shares at a (hopefully) cheaper price than what is anticipated when the warrants become exercisable.

  13. Tomer Chen says:

    Hope that helps. If it’s still confusing, I’ll try to clarify further.

  14. The Gaijin says:

    Tomer is bang on correct. As a guy in securities law, I can honestly say there is very little I could offer to add to his explanation.

    You have a pretty good finance background? (I’m assuming it’s a big yes)

  15. Wouldnt it be funny if the UFC bought stock through the backdoor and took over the company?

  16. Tomer Chen says:

    You have a pretty good finance background? (I’m assuming it’s a big yes)

    Yeah, I’m a Finance major and I took the CFA Level I test in December (passed it). Don’t really deal with equity issuance, but the extensive discussion of it in preparation for the CFA test makes me decently knowledgable on the topic (amongst others).

  17. Zack says:

    According to Dean Lister’s post on the UG…Cro Cop is currently training with Bojansky, Lister, Yvel, and muay thai coach Ivan Hippolyte from Holland.

  18. Zack says:

    That top 5 US training teams article is HILARIOUS.

  19. Dru Down says:

    “That top 5 US training teams article is HILARIOUS.”

    Classic stuff- I was shocked to see that Ken Shamrock is apparently “The Master” at Frank’s school.

    Also, I think the Pit is one of the top gyms to train at only if your name is Chuck Liddell.

  20. Zack says:

    Hammer House is still top 5. If Randleman is in Vegas, doesn’t that mean its just Coleman, Sims, and Hinkle on a HS gym mat somewhere in Ohio practicing takedowns and neck cranks?

  21. ukiro says:

    Disclaimer: I don’t know if that polish report on Mirko’s training regimen is true, but for the sake of blatant speculation and my own amusement I will assume it is.

    Supposedly, Fedor does 5 miles in around 34 minutes. And that is training speed, which should mean it’s less than 80% of maximum pulse, ideally at maybe 70%. Since the time I heard that, I’ve seen other reports saying that he does nearly 10 miles of running per day. Compare this to the 4-5km (3-ish miles) of Mirko, and the difference is enormous. To make this even more obvious, consider the following: If Fedor would be as lean as Mirko I’m guessing he’d be smaller than him, which means Mirko probably has slightly more muscle mass to supply with oxygen. This would just make it even more crucial to take cardio seriously. If we assume that he’s alternating his training programs and has had a heavy cardio period previously, less than 30 minutes of pure cardio per exercise isn’t even going to help him sustain whatever he built up. For that kind of body and anything resembling elite athlete cardio you probably need to do at least 40 minute 80% runs AND interval training.

    All this means that the Polish report simply isn’t correct – I cannot imagine that someone who surrounds himself with such elite training partners (and who’s obviously reasonably intelligent, as shown by his other professions) wouldn’t understand basic conditioning.

  22. Grape Knee High says:

    It is a real CC training regimen, but possibly out of date. The same information was posted to Nokaut over 2 years ago:
    http://www.nokaut.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=71132#71132

    (Saw this on another site)

  23. Croatian Strength says:

    Is that mmapassport.com site a joke? First Sherdog having the best writers in MMA, then Coleman and Shamrock being the best trainers!

    Cro Cop looks gassed as he’s sticks out his mouthpiece and breathes through his mouth – he says it’s because his nose got busted and he hasn’t got it fixed yet.

  24. Croatian Strength says:

    Cro Cop talking about his running (from this year I think)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiVXyOxkRy4

  25. UFC Fanboy (Formerly 45 Huddle) says:

    So basically as of February, Bodog Fight is finished. Yes, I know they can run shows, but it is just a money losing proposition for them at that point. And it doesn’t help them get new gambling customers without TV. And based on their ION Ratings, what station would want to pick them up?

  26. ukiro says:

    While the video linked by Croatian Strength is a bit unclear, he either runs at 22 kilometers per hour (which could only be interval training) or 20 kilometers (which I feel is too much for a daily routine with that kind of body mass). So I’ll adjust my final bet to 20 kilometer runs maybe once a week, interval training with bursts of 22 km/h maybe twice per week and probably 10-15 kilometer runs the other days.

    I can handle the boredom of 10 kilometers on a treadmill, but damn I’d have to be motivated to regularly do 20…

  27. Rollo the Cat says:

    “So basically as of February, Bodog Fight is finished. Yes, I know they can run shows, but it is just a money losing proposition for them at that point. And it doesn’t help them get new gambling customers without TV. And based on their ION Ratings, what station would want to pick them up?”

    It doesn’t mean they are done. Anyone looking at the ratings would have to consider the fact that it is the ION channel, whatever that is. I don’t think they will have trouble getting on some station, somewhere and it will probably be as better than ION. I am hoping anyway.

  28. Rollo the Cat says:

    I just read the first paragraph of that Top 5 Training Camps article. The best place to go to train Sambo was ….JAPAN????

  29. Rollo the Cat says:

    And isn’t the Pit in California, not Hawaii?

  30. Zack says:

    Rollo…that’s what I was saying about it being a hilarious article. Plus the Shamrock school in San Jose being run by….Ken?

  31. Rollo the Cat says:

    Hey Zack, are we being trolled by the author of that website? No one could be that wrong unless they were joking, could they?

  32. D. Capitated says:

    I would be surprised if they couldn’t find a place somewhere on the cable dial. There are hundreds of channels. Hell, they were on that OLN knockoff before ION.

  33. Jordan Breen says:

    “The best place to go to train Sambo was ….JAPAN????”

    SK ABS FOREVER.

  34. Zack says:

    Rollo…it worked on me if true 🙂

    I also like how Chuck Liddell is part of the URL to drive more traffic to that site. They’re just making affiliate money I’d assume off something.

  35. Zurich says:

    I finally bit the bullet and downloaded an ep of BodogFight (the 720p version). I have to say, it’s actually pretty good! The commentary is a bit spotty… but really, it’s hard to go wrong with 720p MMA in Costa Rica! I watched two eps, and only one of them went a decision. I mean, I know I’m not watching a PRIDE GP, but the MMA is still decent(ish).

  36. D. Capitated says:

    Bodog has a lot of very solid midlevel fights. Its a decent program, and most importantly, its freakin’ free.

  37. Rollo the Cat says:

    Zurich,

    Check out the fights with Berger, Avellan and Dias. They were some of my favorites.

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