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PRIDE 33

By Zach Arnold | February 24, 2007

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This an open post. Do running commentary, give thoughts on the event, etc. right here. Here’s some running commentary.

  1. Joachim Hansen defeated Jason Ireland in R3 by submission.
  2. Frank Trigg defeated Kazuo Misaki by unanimous decision (30-27 on all three score cards).
  3. James Lee defeated Travis Wiuff via submission in R1.
  4. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou defeated Antonio Rogerio Nogueira in R1 by KO.
  5. Hayato “Mach” Sakurai defeated Maz Danzig in R2 by KO.
  6. Sergey Kharitonov defeated Mike Russow in R1 by submission.
  7. Mauricio Shogun defeated Alistair Overeem in R1 by KO.
  8. Nick Diaz defeated Takanori Gomi in R2 with a gogoplata (called “feet choke” by the Japanese media).
  9. Middleweight Title Match: Dan Henderson defeated Vanderlei Silva in R3 by KO to win the title.

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117 Responses to “PRIDE 33”

  1. 123 Kid says:

    Ivan,

    My point is that your Top Ten…. Which is being seen by many casual fans at CBS’s website…. Well, is full of crap. I could see if it has a basis, but it doesn’t. Tonight is proof of that.

    It is like trying to have a Top 10 Drivers ranking with NASCAR, Formula One, and various other racing circuits all combined. The UFC and Pride are mostly INDEPENDENT of each other. That makes an overall ranking pointless. And when one fighter switches organizations and either wins or loses, it throws everything out of wack.

    I honestly think you do the casual fans a disservice by even offering this Top 10, which makes absolutely no sense.

    A casual fan won’t do the research when they see a ranking like that.

    Not to mention that you combine Pride Lightweight & UFC Lightweight when Pride has various fighters who can’t make the UFC 155 lbs limit. It’s like comparing Oranges to Tangerines. Close, but not exactly.

    Like I said before, you are doing a disservice to the casual fans by even having a ranking like that around. And tonight is absolute proof of that.

  2. 123 Kid says:

    And yes, I think the only rankings that really have any weight are purely organizational rankings. At least they have more common opponents. Each fighter moves up the ranks with the same talent pool, making the comparison of apples to apples very easy.

    The current MMA Top 10 lists are about as credible as a boxing P4P list. Purely speculation.

  3. Ivan Trembow says:

    There’s not really anything I can say that’s going to change your mind if you feel that having a promotion-agnostic, worldwide ranking system is, in and of itself, an invalid concept.

  4. 123 Kid says:

    Prove me wrong then. Show me how this ranking makes sense.

    If you are giving this rating system out to major websites, you at least should be able to justify it.

    I’m all ears. I really am curious how what you vote for does any good for the sport? And how the negatives don’t out weight the positives.

  5. Ivan Trembow says:

    There is no single super-promotion where all of the fighters in the world compete. There are a few big promotions and tons of smaller promotions. If you want rankings for every individual MMA promotion or every individual big MMA promotion, there would be several lists, multiplied by five for the five weight classes, which would add up to tons of lists and would cause more “confusion,” not less.

    This is the last post that I am going to make on this subject, as it’s clear where we both stand on this issue. There is nothing for me to “prove wrong.” What you have here is an opinion, and I respect your opinion while at the same time disagreeing with it.

    If you believe that a promotion-agnostic, worldwide ranking system is by its very nature bad for the sport of MMA, you are free to have that opinion, and I am free to disagree with it while still respecting your opinion.

  6. 123 Kid says:

    Ivan,

    All I am asking for is an explanation as to how the MMA Weekly Top 10 makes sense. The fact that you can’t even tell me this is absurd.

  7. Ivan Trembow says:

    “There is no single super-promotion where all of the fighters in the world compete. There are a few big promotions and tons of smaller promotions. If you want rankings for every individual MMA promotion or every individual big MMA promotion, there would be several lists, multiplied by five for the five weight classes, which would add up to tons of lists and would cause more “confusion,” not less.”

  8. Zack says:

    123Kid = MMA Critic

    Dude, you’re addicted to the internet. WWF vs WCW is so passe. Just enjoy the fights.

  9. Defender says:

    So much for all the Liddel / Silva talk.

    Maybe Silva can step into a UFC ring next time and say, “I want to fight Sherk”, as in Sean Sherk.

    What an awesome, awesome butt kickin’ that was!

  10. Dedwyre says:

    I liked the show. I understand how it was bad for business in Japan, but I don’t care. That’s the matchmaker’s fault, and I won’t let that affect my enjoyment of the show.

  11. Zach Arnold says:

    I don’t think you’ll see anyone question the overall quality of the fights that took place.

  12. Defender says:

    Yes, it was PRIDE vs UFC – in a way. Any fan that is beyond ‘casual’ should realize that.

    There was an American in 7 of the 9 fights, most of them underdogs. Each American fighter was like a microcosm of the UFC. And everyone knows Silva is a macrocosm of Pride. Silva IS Pride. Or was.

    Losing is one thing … but getting Knocked The Phuk Out 2 fights in a row?!?!?!

    Ponder this: Does this hurt or help the chances of a Liddell / Silva matchup?

    1) Definitely hurts. Silva is becoming much less marketable every time we see him laying on his back out cold. Does anyone care any more?

    2) Maybe it’s easier now. Silva would love to fight Chuck any day, he loves to fight and loves a challenge. He needs a Big Win, not just any win, as his career is beginning to tank. With the hype being so greatly toned down maybe politics won’t get in the way like before.

  13. David says:

    Jordan Breen,

    Good call on Melendez. It was off the top of my head, and if I had given it some thought, he would certainly have been on the list.

  14. Stu says:

    After reading most of the comments here one thing became clear to me – many of those who commented here doesn’t seem to be fans of the sport per se, you only like the business side of it.

  15. Mike says:

    I am getting a huge kick out of some of the posters here. When MMAath suits PRIDE fans, they scream “Rampage beat Chuck!!!” and then when PRIDE’s elite get creamed by UFC mid-carders, it’s “you can’t use MMAth!!!”

  16. David says:

    Stu I don’t think that is the case at all. The show was great, but Pride’s financial situation is such that it would be shortsighted to say the least to ignore the way that this show will affect Pride’s long term viability.

  17. Armen says:

    I was a bit behind in catching the PPV but I finally saw it and posted my thoughts on it here: http://www.cobjectively.com/2007/02/26/pride-33-the-second-coming/

    Wow, this was a crazy event.

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