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Ex-UFC Heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar is who we thought he was

By Zach Arnold | December 26, 2010

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Yesterday, we celebrated the fifth anniversary of the Fight Opinion web site. (Quietly.) One of the goals of this web site when we started was to create a platform that would help educate readers to become smarter about the business side of Mixed Martial Arts. I think we’ve successfully been ahead of the curve on a lot of stories and, in turn, have readers who have gone on to become writers on various platforms. Remember, five years ago, Fight Opinion was one of the first hybrid news/opinion MMA sites out there before blogging platforms like Movable Type and WordPress helped create the boom we have today. I wrote about MMA long before Fight Opinion, but we moved into territory where there were only a couple of online radio shows for MMA (at most). The landscape back then versus today is completely different.

One of the stories that I’ve longed warned everyone about is the career of Brock Lesnar in the UFC. We know his history — he does something for a little while, makes some money or fame, and moves on before he gets completely exposed and runs out of sugar daddies willing to recruit him into something else. In many ways, he reminds me of having the spirit of Bruiser Brody (look him up on Google, non-wrestling fans) leaving one place after another before his welcome is warn out. Lesnar was in WWE for a few years, then he went to try out for the Minnesota Vikings, then he went to New Japan, and eventually ended up in UFC.

When Brock was pummeled by Cain Velasquez, there was the goofy Undertaker incident that was caught on camera by Ariel Helwani. Immediately, the rumors started flying about Vince McMahon wanting Brock Lesnar to appear at Wrestlemania. As we know with Vince McMahon, the harder it is for him to sign someone the hungrier and more motivated he gets to make it happen. (Kind of reminds me of someone else we know as a boss as well.) Anyhow, when Lesnar lost to Velasquez everyone started talking about when he would come back to training to redeem himself in the cage. At first, there were indications Lesnar would get back in the swing of things quickly. Then, he decided to take a break for hunting season. Now? Keith Harris notes (from hearing/reading the cryptocity of Dave Meltzer) the waiting game that Mr. Lesnar is playing. It’s a game that Dana White wants no part of. However, Mr. White should have thought of this when he signed Lesnar in the first place to a contract. What’s intriguing about UFC being relucant to allow Brock to appear at Wrestlemania is that not only is UFC destroying WWE in PPV buys but they have also taken away a lot of disgruntled WWE/wrestling fans who are sick of the McMahon/Kevin Dunn cookie-cutter production. In one respect, Dana’s objections make complete and total business sense. On the other hand, why should he be worried about Lesnar appearing at Wrestlemania if the public at-large knows that UFC is real and WWE is not so much? Despite the amazing growth of UFC, I do think the situation with Lesnar indicates how nervous people in MMA still are to the fact that the public at-large, or at least the media, is willing to lump the two into the same business category.

Brock Lesnar is who we thought he was — and we’ve been saying it for many, many years on Fight Opinion. In fact, since day one this site was created. Happy Anniversary, everyone.

(By the way, 25% off all “UFC gear” at Sears today.)

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39 Responses to “Ex-UFC Heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar is who we thought he was”

  1. David M says:

    Kudos on 5 year mark; I remember the good old days of puro power, when I would lament having to see pro wrestling news to find the cool info about Japanese MMA that I couldn’t find anywhere else.

    In re: Brock, I object to you saying “Keith Harris chronicles” because what Mr. Harris and every other mma writer has done is just copy and paste information from Meltzer’s newsletter or message boards or radio show and pass it off as news. If you consider copying and pasting to be chronicling so be it, but I think “as Keith Harris lazily reports” or “as Keith Harris learned from reading Dave Meltzer” would be a better title to the hyperlink.

    I really hope Brock comes back to UFC; he is good for the sport of MMA and there aren’t many HWs of his size/athleticism/charimsa/ability out there.

    Even if Vince offered Dana 3 million dollars on top of whatever he is willing to pay Brock for Wrestlemania, I really doubt Dana would oblige him, mainly because he wants to kill every competitor, regardless of whether or not the competitor is putting on legitimate fights.

    • 45 Huddle says:

      White knows the UFC stole the WWE’s fans. There is no reason to give them once small chance at stealing them back.

      • Pierre-Luc Allie says:

        Vince would have to completely rebrand his product to take me back. And it’s not by having fake mma matches like TNA that would bring me back. I saw TNA wrestling on a tv at my gym. Jarret against one guy I didn’t know. It was like those guy heard of mma but had never seen it and they were trying to copy it. It was AWFUL.

        The UFC has nothing to lose about letting Lesnar go to the WWE. Dana should not lose sleep about Lesnar. He can’t make more money anywhere else.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          Valid point. I know for me… Once you see a real kick thrown…. Or real grappling…. The ability to watch Pro Wrestling without laughing is nearly impossible.

        • Chuck says:

          Pierre;

          TNA doesn’t really do pseudo-MMA. That match Jarrett did was part of his gimmick he is currently doing. He is somewhat feuding with Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle (two guys with a pseudo-MMA style) so he is shitting on MMA with his little “exhibitions”. Just Jarrett doing an asshole cocky heel thing.

          TNA did do two (to my knowledge) pseudo-MMA matches that aren’t a joke or whatever, and they were Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle at Lockdown 2008 (awesome match) and Frank Trigg vs. AJ Styles at No Surrender 2008 (didn’t see this one, many said it was crap). I’m sure there have been others, but my point is that it isn’t TNA’s forte.

  2. Sergio Hernandez says:

    I think this situation could possibly be win/win/win for WWE, Lesnar, and the UFC… as long as Lesnar is involved in a non-wrestling capacity. Referee, enforcer… nothing physical beyond a shove or tossing someone back in the ring.

  3. 45 Huddle says:

    Lesnar will be back in the UFC. Just like he came back from his Junior year of college losing in the finals…. To win the NCAA’s the next year.

    He has an inner warrior in him that won’t let the doubt die in him…. For the short term. He got beat down and will won’t to make 1 more run at it.

    But here is what is likely to happen. He will fight and win 1 or 2 more fights. One of them is likely to be against Frank Mir.

    Then he will fight for the title again…. Get beat down…. Only it will take a little longer this time…. And then he will officially lose his interest in MMA and then want to find something else at that point.

    I still think he is one more serious run at the title away before he does his typical antics again. And by then, losing twice in title fights will hurt some of his value where the UFC won’t csre as much if he quits the sport. It still will sting a little bit because he is a draw, but not as much after his 2nd title fight loss in a row.

    • Chuck says:

      Yeah, you know where he would go after that? Strikeforce. I am predicting we will see Brock in Strikeforce by 2012. He will win one fight, then lose his second, then go somewhere else. Where? Who knows? Might as well be bocce or cricket.

      Oh, finally played EA Sports MMA. Good game, but the tutorial is awful, and you have to get used to the striking controls, since it is the same engine as Fight Night Round 4. Oh, and you have to get used to the fact that there is actually a sprawl button (it’s circle on PS3, probably B on 360) that is only used for sprawling in the standing position. And it’s extremely easy to score submissions in the game. I scored subs in the game withing a minute in some fights on medium difficulty. It’s a better system than UFC’s, but too easy. I do like that each fighter is personalized for how they fight. Nick Diaz has his weird pseudo-Muay Thai stance, Cung Le has all his crazy side kicks, Shinya Aoki has his flying armbar, etc. Last year’s UFC didn’t have that. I don’t know about this year’s (I got it for Xmas, didn’t play it yet). But I am pretty sure the fighters are stylized like in EA Sports MMA. When it comes to technicality of fights especially for ground work the UFC games win. But I can see less nuanced players digging EA Sports MMA. All three games are good/great, so whatever/

      • 45 Huddle says:

        Lesnar is more likely to end up in Japan for MMA then he is in Strikeforce. Not to mention it would be a few year legal battle for that to happen and by then he would be like 35 minimum. For his body frame, when he starts slowing down, it’s not going to be pretty. I really enjoy watching Brock Lesnar fights. But I’m not naive to his abilities and has history of giving up quickly. I guess we just have to enjoy it while it lasts.

        As for the EA MMA Game. I think it has some positives over the UFC game in certain areas, but in the areas it doesn’t do well, it really falls flat on. It does well on the diversity of styles (as you pointed out). The UFC game feels like every fighter is a slightly different version of the same model.

        As for the negatives, the fighters feel like they are floating on air. And stamina goes away way too fast. I know it was put in there to prevent button mashers, but even when I’m not button mashing, I feel like I have to check my stamina far too often and it takes away from the game.

        Plus, the small roster does hurt the game. I really don’t think they are going to make a 2nd one, so at least the THQ guys will be able to see what EA has done and hopefully implement some of the better ideas into the next UFC game.

  4. Geno Mrosko says:

    Love all your work here on the site, Zach. I’m a daily visitor. This whole Brock situation is something pro wrestling fans know all too well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he managed to weasel his way out of the UFC and into the big match at WrestleMania for the payday and then disappeared for a couple years before trying to return to one or the other.

  5. Paradoxx says:

    Dear god, does EVERYONE have to write about this rumor like its fact?

    FO was the site I liked because it had some of the best in-depth articles… way to throw that out the window.

    • Zach Arnold says:

      Dear god, does EVERYONE have to write about this rumor like its fact?

      FO was the site I liked because it had some of the best in-depth articles… way to throw that out the window.

      I thank you for your service to our country, but I disagree with your sentiments that somehow this is a non-story. It’s a story because Brock is the biggest PPV draw in the UFC, by a wide margin over Georges St. Pierre who is #2 easily.

      Those of us who know Brock’s career history knows that this is a story to pay attention to. If this was another fighter, I’d dismiss the rumor-mongering out of hand. However, given who we’re talking about, you can’t.

      • Paradoxx says:

        This is a complete non-story made up by bored people during a slow news week.

        I expect this speculation=story on places like B/E, not here though.

        • Keith Harris says:

          That would be a bit like saying Wayne Rooney’s and Carlos Tevez’s recent teased transfer sagas were complete non-stories because they ended up staying with their clubs. When Dave Meltzer, who has sources extremely close to the horse’s mouth both in UFC management and Brock Lesnar’s camp, reports that Brock Lesnar is refusing to talk to Dana White, then that’s a real story, even if the likely end result is that Brock ends up back in the Octagon long before the end of next year with his tail tucked between his legs.

  6. klown says:

    This was the first MMA site I made a daily habit of visiting, back when there were far fewer blogs and analysis sites around. Today the landscape has changed, with a massive increase in MMA online content, but Fight Opinion continues to be the first stop of my daily MMA perusal.

    Congratulations on continued success to ZA, and thanks to you and to all the commentators who hang out here.

  7. Tim Lee says:

    WWE had “pretty boy” Mayweather appeared at Wrestlemania and no thought his next boxing match was a work

  8. Tyler Treese says:

    I wonder if Brock “retired” from MMA, if he could do Wrestlemania without any problems. I’m sure Dana would want Brock back if he had a change of heart and then “unretired”.

  9. I dunno. It doesn’t really bother me either way. I don’t see this as him being “frustrated” or whatever. Its a smart move. If we come out of the first quarter of 2011 and we’ve had some upheaval in various divisions – say Belfort, Fitch, and Shields all win their respective slotted title bouts – I think the value of Lesnar increases dramatically. He’s not dumb. He knows the math regarding his fights could be slanted further in his direction and that he sells them, so if I were him and just got beaten silly, I’d start thinking about paydays too.

    • Joe says:

      Brock is a top-level MMA fighter who doesn’t like to get punched in the face. That plus his history and attitude doesn’t suggest a long tenure in MMA. Furthermore, and perhaps most importantly, his time as a big draw might be running out sooner than people think. Fans don’t generate the extreme love/hate emotions for guys who have the kind of humbling beatdowns he had in his last two fights, and definitely won’t if he loses again or gets a lay and pray decision against a mid-level guy.

      Beyond this, there’s a limited number of compelling fights out there for him. Cross off Cain probably forever, and Dos Santos doesn’t seem like an option either unless he shows some major holes in his wrestling game against Cain. None of the mid-tier guys like Nelson and Kongo would serve much purpose aside from feeding Brock a win. Only the Mir rubber match seems like an easy sell for fans, and perhaps a Carwin rematch down the road if Carwin picks up a win and then is able to really sell the revenge the angle (and even in that unlikely event you wonder how much Brock would want to face a heavy hitter like Carwin again). After that, you’re talking Fedor or some new guy out of nowhere with a big mouth. Bottom line, Brock’s in a tough spot– he seems to have hit his ceiling competitively, but he’s too big a star to be gatekeeper.

      • EJ says:

        Those are alot of reaches there, first off Brock people need to stop with this stuff about Lesnar taking several beatings and acting like he lost to Carwin.

        He didn’t he took all the punishment that he Shane could dish out and came back to win it. Second plenty of guys have proven to be able to lose and still draw Brock is a megastar in the sport he draws eyeballs period selling his fights in no problem at all.

        Brock is also incredibly raw as far as his ceiling in mma goes, live I said since he lost to Cain. Send him to Xtreme Couture and let him learn some dirty boxing and to work the clinch game and you’ll see an even more dominant version of Brock.

        Right now you’ve got alot of people who are almost wishing that he go away just so they can be proven right which is a bunch of bs. Brock has already proven what he’s about and is going to continue in the sport for a good while. He makes too much money and is too much of a competitor to do anything else, he’ll learn and grow just like he has before and will be back atop the HW mountain soon enough.

        • bluerosekiller says:

          Lesner has all the behavioral attributes of a bully & the mindset of a front runner.
          NOT things that indicate a long career in this game.

          Sure, he managed to get through that first round against Carwin, but that was only because his opponent gassed about halfway through the stanza & had no idea how to finish a foe who was offering him at least SOME resistence.
          Looking back on it now, all I see the Carwin fight proving was that Lesner could out-bully another bully.

          Next came Velasquez, who TOTALLY dominated Brock with the first shot he landed & actually had him turning his back on him, a cardinal sin in any fightsport. And something that a complete sub-novice knows not to do. Much less a champion.

          Face it, Lesner just does not have the instincts for the game.

        • The Gaijin says:

          Spoken like a true fanboy in fantasy land…at 34 his ceiling doesn’t have much higher to get and if you cannot/do not like getting punched there is nothing in the world that’s going to fix that. And there’s no way in hell he’s going to train with a bunch of other fighters at a camp like Xtreme Couture or anywhere else – you’ve got your head in the clouds here – do you really know nothing about the guy?

          “…let him learn some dirty boxing and to work the clinch game and you’ll see an even more dominant version of Brock.”

          Speaking of making reaches…

        • Joe says:

          Yeah, but it’s an important question to ask how long he’s going to continue to draw the amount of eyeballs he draws. It doesn’t last forever man, and there’s zillions of similar examples. Why does Brock draw so many eyeballs? It’s not magic. People who hate him are intimidated by him, and people who love him love watching him blow people away. It’s as simple as that, and so if that intimidation goes away then people will stop caring.

          If he’d beaten Cain or at least put up any kind of fight, then yes the Carwin fight would have continued to go down as the unfinishable Brock showing incredible will and surprising technique. Unstoppable intimidating forces don’t seem so intimidating when they’re getting embarrassed and look cowardly in the process. The chasm in skill between Brock, Cain, and Dos Santos is huge right now, and all three are young and all three will improve. You mention dirty boxing, but Carwin already does that a million times better. If Brock were to somehow raise his game and contend then yeah he’d flip from heel to face and he could put up UFC 100 numbers again, but I think it’s far more likely that he fights Mir again, fights _____ again then retires.

        • Lesnar could have had a long career in the sport if he started a long time ago. He looks more like the ultimate imaginable Hammer House product daily, and its not like those guys aren’t still fighting in spite of massive flaws.

        • EJ says:

          “Lesner has all the behavioral attributes of a bully & the mindset of a front runner.
          NOT things that indicate a long career in this game.

          Sure, he managed to get through that first round against Carwin, but that was only because his opponent gassed about halfway through the stanza & had no idea how to finish a foe who was offering him at least SOME resistence.
          Looking back on it now, all I see the Carwin fight proving was that Lesner could out-bully another bully.

          Next came Velasquez, who TOTALLY dominated Brock with the first shot he landed & actually had him turning his back on him, a cardinal sin in any fightsport. And something that a complete sub-novice knows not to do. Much less a champion.

          Face it, Lesner just does not have the instincts for the game.”

          Rationalizations and excuses don’t do anything for me, so you can save that Carwin just gassed stuff. The fact is that fight proved exactly that this myth about Brock not being able to come back from a beating false. This is what I mean by people reaching.

          As far as Cain funny how everyone forgets that Brock took him down and was on top of him. To Cain’s credit he did what I thought he couldn’t do and that’s get up and hurt Brock. But in a rematch with a few tweeks that outcome could be very different, it’s up to Brock to either improve or fail. At the quick rate that he’s already improved I believe in the latter but we’ll see.

        • The problem with Lesnar making massive strides in his wrestling and control is that its what his base is to begin with. Its like asking Mirko Cro-Cop to suddenly start being a world class kickboxer again. Not to say that Lesnar is at the same level as Mirko Cro-Cop, but I don’t think he’s gonna find sparring and training that somehow brings his wrestling game up any further when that’s what he’s concentrated on all along during his MMA career and obviously during his wrestling career.

          The better hope if you’re Lesnar is that Dos Santos beats up Cain and causes his retina to detach or something. Lesnar might be able to beat Dos Santos, but I think he’s on the wrong side of his career athletically to ever catch up and have something for Cain.

        • Joe says:

          “that fight proved exactly that this myth about Brock not being able to come back from a beating false.”

          there was never a myth that he couldn’t come back from a beating because we’d never seen him really take punishment much less a beating. i do, however, remember people saying from day one that he doesn’t like to get punched in the face, and we’ve definitely seen that come true.

          “in a rematch with a few tweeks that outcome could be very different, it’s up to Brock to either improve or fail. At the quick rate that he’s already improved I believe in the latter”

          Dude, come on. All these guys train every day at world class gyms and are all improving constantly. Heck, many (not Brock) train internationally. What’s Brock really going to bring to the table against Cain or Carwin or JDS that they’re not expecting?

          And one myth that you could argue is the myth that Brock is this amazing, constantly improving student. Honestly, the only thing I’ve really seen him improve is his submission defense and top control, which he put on a clinic with in the second Mir fight. I’m sure there’s more subtle things, but his striking looks exactly the same (if not worse) as it did against Herring and Couture. To me, the myth of him being a quick learner is simply based on his being so raw when he began that he’s of course going to improve quickly when he’s first learning new techniques.

        • EJ says:

          “there was never a myth that he couldn’t come back from a beating because we’d never seen him really take punishment much less a beating. i do, however, remember people saying from day one that he doesn’t like to get punched in the face, and we’ve definitely seen that come true.”

          Except he did in the Carwin fight, proving that it was just that a myth.

          “Dude, come on. All these guys train every day at world class gyms and are all improving constantly. Heck, many (not Brock) train internationally. What’s Brock really going to bring to the table against Cain or Carwin or JDS that they’re not expecting?

          And one myth that you could argue is the myth that Brock is this amazing, constantly improving student. Honestly, the only thing I’ve really seen him improve is his submission defense and top control, which he put on a clinic with in the second Mir fight. I’m sure there’s more subtle things, but his striking looks exactly the same (if not worse) as it did against Herring and Couture. To me, the myth of him being a quick learner is simply based on his being so raw when he began that he’s of course going to improve quickly when he’s first learning new techniques.”

          What’s he going to bring?, are you serious?. He’s going to bring his 280 plus pound top level wrestling and ground and pound. Brock isn’t some weakling that has no chance against these guys again people are reaching to new levels now that he lost to discount just how good and dangerous Brock still is.

          Also the changes in Brock’s game that i’m talking about don’t have to be drastic like I said putting him with Couture would help shore most of his holes up. He’s already shown that he can work from the clinch and do damage. Basically to beat Cain in the rematch he’s got to be Couture, use the clinch knees and huge size to punish the much smaller fighter. Will this happen, I don’t know but I do know that all of this stuff about Brock is done or whatever is incredibly pre-mature to say the least.

        • Joe says:

          I said, what’s he going to bring that’s DIFFERENT? Everybody already knows that he has incredible size, wrestling and that he comes at you like a mack truck. On its own, this got him a beatdown against Cain and Carwin when he couldn’t overpower them. So if he’s going to improve to a level where he can beat Cain, Carwin, and Dos Santos, he’s going to have to bring something new. Maybe that something new is a strategy of taking it slow and trying to outlast them, but you can’t just think he’s a couple of tweaks away from that Cain fight going differently.

          And look at it from the other side. Mir got overpowered by Brock so he responded by bulking up. Carwin lost the war of attrition, and by the next week he was publicly looking for strategies to increase his gas tank. Cain’s striking has improved every fight and will continue to improve, and on top of that he could have easily arm-barred Brock if he’d had the presence of mind to– you think he’ll let that go again in the future when he’s more confident in his jiu-jitsu.

          So I mean, the whole division knows what Brock brings and is actively trying to counterbalance it. Is Brock in the gym right now trying to show them something new, trying to figure out what went wrong against Cain and fix the holes in his game? No, he’s hunting and trying to finagle a wrestlemania appearance.

        • The Gaijin says:

          What Joe said times a million…and what EJ’s and the subo’s of the world fail to recognize is that in their fantasy argument, this would require Brock to become a totally different person in his attitude and approach to training, require him to get exponentially better in a short period of time while the Cain’s and JDS’ of the world stay static or regress…they would literally have to STOP training and improving and keep the exact skillsets they have today while Brock COMPLETELY reinvents himself at 34 and with a total inability/unwillingness to get hit in the face.

          Fedor losing = monumental paradigm shift and irrelevance as a top HW.

          Brock’s last two fights which exposed his holes and that the amazing Zuffa marketing machine may have slightly overhyped him = fanboys burying their head in some fantasy that he didn’t show some pretty concerning gaps in his game that don’t look like they can be fixed without a huge shift in training, approach and attitude.

          The double-standard is laughable at best and really exposes guys like EJ and Subo for what they truly are.

  10. EJ says:

    You know I have nothing but respect for Meltzer who’s the best at his job and 9 times out of 10 is usually on point. But this time he’s wrong, first off he of all people should know better than to take the word of anyone who claims they speak for Brock.

    Brock isn’t one of these guys who plays the game of having people talk for him, if he wanted to do WM he would be the one talking about it. This reminds me of the false reports of him wanting to fight Roy Nelson only to find out that was totally false.

    The only person who speaks for Brock is Brock, not people close to him who know better than to speak out of turn because Lesnar doesn’t play that game. He was also talking about taking time off after his fight with Cain anyway so nothing has changed as of today with his plans after UFC 121.

    Wake me up when people have actual facts about Brock and need needless speculation and reaching for something to write about.

  11. mattio says:

    I don’t think this is a story of Brock wanting out of MMA, it sounds more like Brock wanting easy money from Vince McMahon for one night’s work.

  12. JT King says:

    Can you really blame Brock? He is the biggest drawing card in the UFC and is the “last resort” for Vince for Wrestlemania this year it appears. He’s obviously not a dumb business man. Why wouldn’t he want to do Wrestlemania for a several million dollar payout for a one night match? Plus, it will gain him even more mainstream publicity then he already receives. He’s playing both sides and he’s able to do that because both sides want him. Dana White may not allow Brock to do the WWE thing but it certainly won’t stop Brock from trying. It sounds like Brock knows exactly what he’s doing…not that he’s unmotivated or uninterested in fighting now. Give the guy a break, he’s done a lot in his short career. Maybe he wants a break.

    • The Gaijin says:

      Not to mention that while making as much or more money than he makes fighting, he’ll get booked to look strong and like the baddest man on the planet and not have to train or get hit in the face and pull a “Bob Sapp” for the third appearance in a row.

      How can you blame the guy.

  13. JT King says:

    And not have to train 3 months for the bout. I bet there are plenty of UFC fighters who would LOVE a $2-3 million dollar payoff for one match at WM27.

  14. klown says:

    Breaking news: Mir vs Shaub has been called off. Instead, Shaub will face Stefan Struve. This leaves Mir open for a Lesnar fight, let the speculation continue.

    • Keith Harris says:

      Dave Meltzer on today’s Wrestling Observer radio show was speculating again about Brock Lesnar being a coach on The Ultimate Fighter reality TV show with Frank Mir as a ratings quid pro quo for being able to pick up a WrestleMania pay check.

  15. The Gaijin says:

    Negotiations 101 by Lesnar…probably picks up a big win against Mir and is in excellent position to negotiate a championship match or eliminator match of his choosing.

    In any event I don’t think he’s ignorant to the facts of his limited time and limited ceiling as a championship level HW in the UFC now that the Cain’s and JDS’s of the world are getting their opportunity at the top.

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