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Josh Barnett says there’s no way you can rank Brock Lesnar or Shane Carwin above Fedor in the Heavyweight rankings

By Zach Arnold | July 2, 2010

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JOSH BARNETT: “I think it was just carelessness on Fedor’s part. I’m not taking away from Werdum as a fighter because one, Fedor was careless (walking) into Werdum’s skill set. He threw himself into Werdum’s territory, his bread and butter, jiu-jitsu and he’s got a good triangle. He’s used it a lot in competition as well and I just think that he didn’t have anybody in training, Fedor, that could lock him up like that. He could always get away with throwing himself into it and chucking the leg off, throw himself into it, chuck the legs off. Werdum is a lot longer… I’m not talking about his penis size, so you can just… stop with that, ask Babalu if you want to know. And… you know he’s taller, he got long legs, and he’s really adept at locking that hold up, so the first time I would have thought that he, Fedor, would have thought this is a little too close for comfort, I’ll be a little more careful, but instead he just shoved himself right in even deeper. At that point, Werdum got behind his shoulder and when that happened he wasn’t able to twist out of it and Fedor’s going to be able to throw himself out of most triangles because of his build, you know, thick neck, you know, round head, broad shoulders, going to be able to generate a lot of torque and throw through here. When Bob Sapp fought Nogueira, I said, do it man, his A-1 hold will never work on you because you’re too physically big unless you entirely gas out, he’ll never triangle you ever. So with Fedor, I can understand why in some respects and in most cases he has no concern for triangle chokes but in this case he really should have been more attentive.”

INTERVIEWER: “Were you shocked at the results?”

JOSH BARNETT: “Yes but not… I was shocked with it overall, but not in watching the fight and seeing what he was doing, it didn’t really surprise me that he ended up throwing himself into a dang choke. It was just… I’m sure he’s kicking himself over thinking going why did I do that, that was so rudimentary to make that mistake.”

INTERVIEWER: “Do you feel Fedor’s going to back stronger or do you feel that since this is first loss that it might have a psychological effect on him?”

JOSH BARNETT: “No, I don’t think he’s going to, I don’t think it’s going to get into his head at all. He was plenty strong for the fight, I just think he’ll be smarter about it and I’m sure his group has an automatic rematch clause in their contract so that’s why Werdum’s got to fight him. I don’t know if that’s ever been seen by anyone but I would bet… I don’t know, I’m sure there’s a euphemism in there that would work for this, but I would put money on the fact that they’ve got an automatic rematch clause in place so they have to fight anyways.”

INTERVIEWER: “Do you think with this loss with Fedor that it automatically shoots Lesnar and Carwin to the top of the Heavyweight pound-for-pound rankings or do you think it’s just so close that you can’t really tell between who and who is the best?”

JOSH BARNETT: “No, I don’t think Lesnar and Carwin can surpass Fedor in ranking. I don’t think either one of have done anything near his accomplishments, recently or career-wise. I think it’s folly to put those two guys above Fedor in any way, shape, or form. I feel like Werdum, he got clipped by dos Santos in a good shot on the feet but if they were to fight again I don’t necessarily think it would go that way and I think styles make match-ups.”

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20 Responses to “Josh Barnett says there’s no way you can rank Brock Lesnar or Shane Carwin above Fedor in the Heavyweight rankings”

  1. Brock Lesnar Fan says:

    I think Barnett is being a bit butthurt because someone beat him to the punch. And now that he’s seen how easy it was (relatively speaking) i imagine he’s pretty pissed at himself for squandering his own opportunity.

    • HLAMNENADA says:

      Ok, Brock Lesnar Fan, here are the facts: Tell me exactly when Lesnar surpassed Fedor????


      BROCK has one loss (VIA TAP OUT)
      FEDOR has one loss (VIA TAP OUT)

      BROCK beat Heath Herring via decision
      FEDOR beat Heath Herring via TKO.


      BROCK beat MIN SOO KIM

      BROCK beat RANDY COUTURE (olympic wrestler)
      FEDOR beat MATT LINDLAND (olympic wrestler)

      + FEDOR beat 25 OTHER OPPONENTS.

      • argyle says:

        The question isn’t who is better historically (Fedor, of course), but who is better RIGHT NOW. Making your comment (at least the third different time you’ve posted it, we get it, you haev one and only one thought) moot.

        • HLAMNENADA says:

          That’s because I haven’t received a straight answer. WHO IS BETTER RIGHT NOW? Brock beat MIR more than a year ago. Does a win from a year ago count as RIGHT NOW?

  2. 45 Huddle says:

    Barnett has to say that. He can’t fight in North America ever again so for him to have any chance of being relevent, he has to fight non-UFC guys internationally. If those guys aren’t ranked high, it makes him uselss.

    • HLAMNENADA says:


      Are you serious? Do you really think that he HAS TO SAY THAT??? Do you honestly believe that??? You are lost my friend.

      • Jason Harris says:

        Yeah, 45 Huddle is pretty much exactly right. Barnett has burned his bridges both with the UFC and the US athletic commissions, so he wants the non-UFC fighters that he has a chance to fight in Japan or Australia to be held in higher regard to help him get higher paydays.

        How does this not make logical sense to anyone with half a brain?

    • Isaiah says:

      Was there anything he said that wasn’t just common sense among people that know the sport? I mean, heck, was there anything he said that you, 45 Huddle — noted proponent of the UFC Contracts Make People Into Great Fighters school of thought — could disagree with?

      • edub says:

        The point he makes about Fedor fighting, and beating better competition than both recently is not common sense…

  3. garth says:

    Josh Barnett is 100% right. Putting Brock Lesnar or Shane Carwin at the top of the HW rankings is stupid. That’s like voting Strasbourg into the hall of fame. It’s a little too early in my book. Even Fedor’s recent work is pretty damn good.

    the penis size comment is a little vexing, however.

  4. edub says:

    Anything that Barnett says has to be taken with a grain of salt. He’s failed three tests in the US for PEDs. Why would anyone treat anything he says as logical?

  5. Paradoxx says:

    I stopped reading at “Josh Barnett”

  6. Jonathan says:

    Did anyone catch Dana White’s comments on the Collin Cowherd show a few hours ago? He was lying through his teeth, and guys like 45 Huddle just drink it up and do not question it at all.

    • HLAMNENADA says:

      No I didn’t hear what Dana said. What did he say. And 45 Huddle is an amateur. Saying Barnett can’t fight in the US ever again. Exactly where did you get that idea Huddle? Think before you speak.


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