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UFC 3/3 Louisville: Diego Sanchez wins controversial decision over Martin Kampmann

By Zach Arnold | March 3, 2011

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47 Responses to “UFC 3/3 Louisville: Diego Sanchez wins controversial decision over Martin Kampmann”

  1. EJ says:

    You forgot one Zach…

    Bantamweights: Reuben Duran Steps vs. Takeya Mizugaki

  2. 45 Huddle says:

    Pretty solid versus card despite all the injuries that have happened.

  3. ttt says:

    going forwards would you be able to put the records up on the hyperlink as well? think it would be quite useful

  4. Chief says:

    really? the “KFC Yum!” Center?

  5. […] Thursday is UFC’s 3rd Fight Night-style show on Versus. View the card for the Louisville event. The word going into the show is that the advance is not off-the-charts. For one reason or another, […]

  6. edub says:

    -Kinda feel bad for Joe (I think this is gonna be his swan song in the UFC). Castillo’s got better wrestling, better striking, and works with probably the best camp in MMA to defend against the guillotine. Really hope I’m wrong because I’ve always been a big fan.

    -Dollaway vs. Munoz is kind of meh for me. Personally I think Dollaway’s got the bigger upside even though Munoz has the better wrestling. I see Munoz taking a decision, but wouldn’t be surprised at all if Dollaways speed nets him the decision or a surprise choke.

    – Weidman is a diamond in the rough IMO. He almost tapped Galvao after training BJJ for a little over 2 years. I think he subs Sakara at some point.

    – Bowles has the tools to beat Page again, but cage rust is a bitch. Could go either way.

  7. Mr. Roadblock says:

    Between the dry humping and terrible decisions like this, it is going to kill the sport.

  8. Chuck says:

    Good event, GREAT main event. Personally I had it 29-28 Kampmann, but it could have went either way. Round one was absolutely Kampmann’s, no questions asked. Round two could have went either way, and round three was very close too, but Sanchez probably took it in the last minute or so after Kampmann probably broke his right hand.

    It pretty much came down to either Kampmann’s accuracy and technique, or Sanchez’s aggression (which was pretty effective, totally unlike Leonard Garcia’s aggression against Nam Phan). Either way it was an awesome fight.

    • Mr. Roadblock says:

      Main Event was a great fight. I greatly disagree with your analysis.

      You can make a convincing argument that Martin won all three rounds. I don’t have a problem giving Diego round 2 because he did wobble Martin and came on strong at the end.

      I don’t see how you give round 3 to Diego. He pushed forward but got punished more than Martin did.

      • 45 Huddle says:

        Kampmann’s punches caused cuts but didn’t have the power to hurt him.

        When Sanchez hit him he hurt him more.

        29-28 Sanchez….. And I was cheering for Kampmann because I was hoping Sanchez would stop being lazy and cut the weight for LW again.

        • edub says:

          45 That’s a kind of cop out for an analysis in my opinion. Just because the few times Diego hit him were harder doesn’t mean he deserves to win over the many, many, many, more times Kampman hit him. The first round was a 10-8 round IMO, and personally I don’t see how you can reasonably score the second for Diego because of one strong flurry and a flush shot that wobbled (didn’t knockdown) Kampman.

          Diego’s face wasn’t just cut up, it was fucked.

        • The Gaijin says:

          Nick Diaz’s punches don’t hurt folks!

      • Chuck says:

        Roadblock;

        I actually had round 3 for Kampmann. As I said, I had it 29-28 Kampmann, giving Sanchez round 2. But round 3 (like round 2) could have gone either way.

        • Mr. Roadblock says:

          Copy that, Chuck.

          45 you might be out of your mind. Kampman stumbled once from a clean punch. Diego was bloodied from the middle of the first round and unrecognizable by the end of round 3.

          If Fitch got a 10-8 round for a ton of arm punches against BJ, how is it possible round 1 wasn’t 10-8 for Kampmann?

          He was throwing solid punches that had Diego hurt, off balance and moving backwards the whole round.

    • twistedcross says:

      If backing up and not being aggressive are going to decide bouts, then Lyoto Machida should have a 0-19 record. Kampmann won this fight. Period.

  9. EJ says:

    I would like to say that i’m surprised with Diego getting the decision but i’m not. He’s the king of bs decisions, Leaonard Garcia has nothing on Diego Sanchez when it comes to guys who get multiple head scratching wins.

    Kampmann was robbed but at this point like I said in the past I give it. I can’t keep pounding my head against the from now on i’m just going to expect the worse that way i’ll be pleasantly surprised when these freaking morons get one right.

    Sad to say but once again another really good night of fights is ruined because so called proffesional judges have their heads up their asses.

  10. 45 Huddle says:

    I thought it was a great decision. I had Sanchez winning 29-28 and I was cheering for Kampmann. Kampmann backed up too much. Didn’t through enough. Got out hustled. And despite Sanchez’s face being a mess, he shook up Kampmann far more during the fight. Martin’s punches formed cuts. Diego’s caused more damage. If that makes sense.

    People need to stop complaining about such close fights. Neither man really was a clear cut winner. And when that happens, the judges are almost always going to go with the aggressive fighter over a guy who is being so passive like kampmann.

    Overall a good night of fights.

    On a side note….. WWE is trying to sign Cyborg. She’s upset that she hasn’t fought in 9 months and nothing is scheduled.

    Strikeforce really needs to get their act together.

    • 45 Huddle says:

      Let me also point out Kampmann’s history.

      Shields….. Sanchez….. Condit…..

      That’s the 3rd fight I can think of off the top of my head where he should have won and allowed the fight to get really much closer then it should be.

      And then people blame the judges? Kampmann is a mental midget. He either let’s fights get far to close or he has a horrible gameplan like in the Marquardt and Daley fights.

      Kampmann screwed Kampmann.

      • EJ says:

        Kampmann screwed himself against Shields and he got a bs decision against Condit this fight on the other hand wasn’t close he won all 3 rounds. There are plenty of times Martin has frustrated me as a fan but this fight isn’t an example of that at all.

      • edub says:

        45: I really don’t understand how anyone can see what happened tonight from this point of view. It’s baffling to me.

        • 45 Huddle says:

          I saw it for Sanchez. So did the guy from BE. So did Meltzer.

          Is it that hard to comprehend that a close fight had people viewing at it 30 different ways? And many of them came to the same overall conclusion that I did?

          It’s pretty simple. Like I said above, I don’t feel bad for Kampmann. The guy showed to be the superior fighter in round 1 and then completely threw it away for the rest of the fight.

        • edub says:

          Yes it is. In my opinion it holds back the sport in a way because, like you, people of a an educated opinion on MMA can’t seem to get this idea out of their heads that: “If something is close it could go either way”. When in reality just because a fight was close doesn’t mean there wasn’t a clear cut winner. Martin Kampman landed twice the amount of punches on Diego, knocked him down, possibly broke bones in Diego’s face, and stopped every single takedown attempt except one. Kampman won this fight.

        • Michaelthebox says:

          edub, one could easily make a whole set of arguments as to why Diego would have won the fight. (As 45 Huddle has.)

          Every decision is fundamentally subjective; even if every single person shares that opinion, its still a subjective opinion. The only way to make it objective is to quantify and count every single aspect of a fight, and that is impossible.

        • Michaelthebox says:

          Should have won, that is, not would have won.

        • edub says:

          But that’s the thing. His opinion is wrong. I don’t care if he can explain it. I don’t care if Meltzer can explain it. I don’t care if Keith Kizer or Dana White can explain. It’s wrong. There is a fundamental flaw in the judging and the personnel judging when a fighter can get outstruck 2-1, fail on over 95% of his takedown attempts, land less than 30 % of his own punches, get knockdown, and still win the fight.

          This isn’t a case of both sides having a valid argument for who won. This is a situation where one side is fundamentally wrong in their view point.

      • smoogy says:

        Yeah, lets punish Kampmann on the scorecards for underachieving and then reward Diego for taking a punch well and having the spirit to push forward despite getting his face destroyed anew every round. This is the kind of judging that ruins MMA cards, the kind where the text of the rules is tossed aside in favor of a personalized, subjective outlook.

  11. David M says:

    Horrid fucking decision.

    Kampmann won every round.

    Here is what judges in mma care about: walking forward, swinging big, takedowns.

    Here is what judges in mma don’t care about: accurate punching, damage, counter punching, stopping takedowns, getting up immediately from takedowns without taking any damage.

    I’m not surprised 45 thought Sanchez won; he is the kind of uneducated fan who probably thinks Leonard Garcia is THE BEST EVAH!

    LOL at Kampmann’s punches “just causing cuts” and not doing damage. You don’t get both your eyes swollen shut, bleed out of every part of your face, and look like you were run over by a truck without being hit seriously hard.

    Diego has a great chin and has is definitely going to sufffer serious brain damage if he lives long enough to retire, but toughness and walking forward should not be confused with landing punches.

    Kampmann almost certainly landed more jabs alone than Diego landed punches.

    He stuffed like 60 of 61 takedowns and got up immediately upon being taken down. How are these things not factored into mma judging? One would have to be pretty stupid to think that a takedown should count as Octagon control but a takedown defense shouldn’t.

    Knees to the head are a must in mma; wrestlers can shoot in sans fear of repercussions. It was one of the saddest moments I’ve ever seen in mma when Kampmann, after stuffing another of Fatass’ takedowns, was forced to literally just kick him in the leg and let him go.

    • Chuck says:

      I remember that moment. It looked very silly and it sucks that the rules entails no knees or kicks to the head. But he could have landed punches (as long as they don’t land on the back of the head). Or he could have went for a submission of sorts, like a guillotine, anaconda choke, Peruvian neck tie, armbar of sorts, etc. He didn’t have to let him up, there were a ton of things in that position he could have done.

  12. Jonathan says:

    As I did not see the fight, I cannot speak to it exactly, but when you have alot of people on one side saying that Fight A won, and then a whole bunch of people on the other side saying that Fighter B won, then you cannot really be “unhappy” with the split/close decision.

    Kind of like the sign of a good compromise is that no one is happy with it.

    And yes, we need (no pun intended) knees to the head.

    • EJ says:

      Yeah i’ve never bought that argument there are very few fights that in reality could go either way. Most times one side is right and this time whoever agreed with the judges isn’t it.

  13. Stel says:

    Kampman should’t expect to win by throwing one counter shot to every two shots by Diego, and trying for a cut stoppage.
    He defended all but one take down and tried none of his own. So he lost on the grappling.
    He clearly lost on aggression in the final rounds.
    He never followed up on any of his counter strikes to put together a potential fight ending combination KO.
    Diego at least tried and was keeping Kampman on the defensive and at the very least making the fight and using good octagon control unloading on Kampman after backing him into the fence several times in the last two rounds.

    • edub says:

      -Walking forward into counter shots is not effective octagon control.

      -Going 1 for 16 in takedown attempts is not effective grappling, actually it’s the complete opposite.

      -Unloading a flurry that goes 4-16 while eating counters should not be judged as effective striking.

      BJ Penn had probably the exact same gameplan Kampman did, and executed it the exact same way. The only difference was Diego landed a couple flurries on Kampman with one shot that buckled his knees (wasn’t a knockdown). Kampman dominated this fight

      • Stel says:

        wrong on all counts my friend.

        consider the take downs like punching Diego threw 15 attempts and landed one, Kamp threw no attempts.

        That would be like One guy swinging for the fences coming forward and landing one punch on a guy who was moving back the whole time and never even tried to punch.

        • edub says:

          Usually when you write down wrong on all accounts you want to provide evidence to the contrary. You still haven’t, unless this completely untrue line – “One guy swinging for the fences coming forward and landing one punch on a guy who was moving back the whole time and never even tried to punch.” – was supposed to mean something.

  14. Nepal says:

    I was out till now, just came home and downloaded all the fights. Didn’t know who had won any fight. First fight I watched was Sanchez/Kampmann and thought it was an obvious 29/28 for Sanchez, the judges agreed.

    Then I went to fightopionion.com and saw Zach’s headline “Sanchez wins contoversial…”. I thought “what is he talking about?”. That’s how obvious I thought the fight was for Sanchez. I am not a particular fan of either fighter so I wasn’t biased. Guess I’ll watch it again when I get the better quality torrent down.

  15. 45 Huddle says:

    1) Dana White gave each Sanchez and Kampmann $160,000 in bonus money for that fight. Well deserved.

    2) Dana White was 100% right in the pre show when he said Jones and Evans should fight and that they haven’t even been friends for that long.

    3) It was nice to hear GSP balk at the idea of moving to MW on the post show. The guy knows exactly what’s up and the risks involved. He isn’t a big WW by today’s standards. He has no business moving up in weight. So White is dead wrong on this topic.

    4) The Versus pre and post shows are great. But for some reason the actual fight telecast feels slower then the SpikeTV version.

    • Tomer says:

      So GSP shot the Silva fight (assuming he beats Shields) down? I didn’t catch it.

      • 45 Huddle says:

        He didn’t flat out say he wasn’t taking the fight but the way he worded it made it seem like it was much less of a reality in his mind compared to Dana White’s.

        • The Gaijin says:

          I’d understood that should a fight ever happen they were planning on doing it like you see a number of the boxing superfights – as a catchweight fight (e.g. 180lbs). That way GSP didn’t have to move up a full 15 lbs.

    • smoogy says:

      GSP is posturing.

  16. giraffeman says:

    Kampann won at least the 1st and 3rd rounds. Diego may have won the second.

    It was a fairly close fight, but Kampann clearly did ALOT more damage and landed MANY more punches. However, as in boxing, judges often give rounds to the fighter who comes forward and initiates the action, even if it is ineffective aggression and results in more damage received than inflicted. This goes against the rules of scoring “effective aggressiveness” but judges are stupid..basically.

  17. Paradoxx says:

    CLOSE does NOT mean CONTROVERSIAL.

  18. giraffeman says:

    Right…but lots of people disagreeing DOES mean controversial. Its a word. Look it up.

  19. 45 Huddle says:

    This show got wrecked in the ratings. Under 700,000 average. It means a few things.

    1) Both the Versus and ION ratings show how much of a niche this sport really is.

    2) Versus is not a good channel for MMA. I’ve always said anything under 1 million for an average means its just not enough viewers. Really the only station to provide that stability for the sport has been SpikeTV.

    3) Speaking of SpikeTV….. It is becoming more and more obvious that they need the UFC just as much as the UFC needs them.

    4) Too much MMA on TV? Is viewer fatigue starting to set in? It’s only going to get worse over the next 3 months between the UFC, SF, and Bellator. I think people will always come out for the biggest fights. But when they run 3 shows a month and there are 2 other companies putting on MMA at the same time….. Something is going to suffer. Which is most likely Bellator’s ratings…. SF Challenger and lower level championship cards….. And the lower level UFc cards. Heck, this is their 3rd best event of March…..

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