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Full transcript of Dana White interview on ESPN with Jim Rome: Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell & Tito Ortiz discussion
By Zach Arnold | April 14, 2010
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JIM ROME: Welcome back. My guest is the UFC President, UFC 112 went down in the UAE this past weekend. Dana White joins me once again. Dana, nice to have you back. How are you?
DANA WHITE: I’m great, thanks Jim.
JIM ROME: Good, Dana. You were furious after that fight with Anderson Silva for his performance against Demian Maia. You called it the most horrible thing you’ve ever seen. Specifically, what did he do that made you so mad?
DANA WHITE: Well, you know, nobody’s supported him more than I have, calling him the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world and he didn’t act like it the other night. Not only did he not act like the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world, he didn’t like a champion and, a uh, UFC fighter. Taunting, not fighting, and then… from the third round on, running, and not actually engaging, uh, it was a very embarrassing moment for me. I actually literally have never seen anything that bad, not even in boxing in all my years of boxing I’ve never seen anything as bad as what happened on Saturday night.
JIM ROME: So when you confronted him with that afterwards, what was his response?
DANA WHITE: Uh, you know, we had a good talk for about 45 minutes after the fight and after the press conference and, you know… you never know. We’ll found out in his next fight if I got through to him or not. The thing that really, uh, really upset me after the fight and then the press conference was where he said he felt like he didn’t owe anybody an apology.
JIM ROME: Huh. Dana, why did he do that? What was going through his mind and what did he tell you when you asked him?
DANA WHITE: I wish I could explain to you and to the fans and the people that bought that fight why he did it or you know what was going on. Even if you look at the early rounds in the fight, the first and second round, the guy shows sign of absolute, you know, brilliance. I mean, the guy is so talented and I don’t know what it was. It was like a mental breakdown in there or something. I don’t know why, but I can tell you this — like I said, I’ve never been more embarrassed. I got up during the fourth round, took the belt, and gave it to his corner and said, “You put it on him because I’m not going to do it,” and I left the arena. I’ve never done that in 10 years.
JIM ROME: All right, so the guy’s great and he’s got skill, you made that clear, but that’s not the first time he’s done that. How do you sell him going forward?
DANA WHITE: Yeah… you know.. he’s got a real tough fight coming up. His next fight’s going to be against Chael Sonnen and Chael Sonnen’s one of these guys who’s, you know, you know not going to lay back, not going to do what these other guys… when [Anderson’s] been in these positions when these type of fights have happened, they’ve been against real good jiu-jitsu guys, guys that want to get the fight to the ground. Well, Chael Sonnen’s going to want to take this fight this ground but he’s going to double-leg him and bring him down. You look at a guy like Anderson Silva, absolutely demolished Rich Franklin twice. Destroyed Dan Henderson. Destroyed Nate Marquardt. Went up to 205 pounds and destroyed the guy’s he fought there. Then you see him in fights like this and it just, it’s uh… it’s unexplainable.
JIM ROME: All right, so you’re not in a good place. You didn’t like it, he disrespected you and the sport and the fans. Is there some sort of punitive, is there a punishment that you’ve going to drop on him? Is this going to cost him for instance a shot against GSP?
DANA WHITE: Oh, I mean there’s, there’s nothing that I can really do to him financially. You know this thing, you know, he’s contracted to get paid and he gets paid, it’s just one of those unfortunate things that happens and you know, uh, I had the talk with him. I think personally I really believe that he was embarrassed by what happened that night. Maybe he did have a mental breakdown, I don’t know what happened in the ring, but .. uh… all I can say is, I know his next opponent isn’t going to be a guy whose going to lay back and let him do stuff like that to him. Chael Sonnen’s going to take to him and hopefully we never see that again.
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JIM ROME: Yeah, I would have thought…
DANA WHITE: I’m telling you right now. If he ever acts like that again in the ring, I will cut him. I don’t care if he’s the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world. I don’t care if he’s the Middleweight champion.
JIM ROME: You’ll fire him?
DANA WHITE: I will cut him, absolutely.
JIM ROME: You think after a night like that the big thing we’d be talking about is Edgar’s win over BJ Penn.
DANA WHITE: Exactly.
JIM ROME: Frankie Edgar, I mean… in all your years in the UFC, have you ever seen a bigger upset than that one?
DANA WHITE: No, that was probably the biggest upset in UFC history. Especially, the kid was a 7-to-1 underdog. He’s small for that weight class, but let me tell you what… the reason I put Frankie, you know, everybody was talking about me making the decision, uh, to put him in that position for the title instead of Gray Maynard. Uh, after Gray Maynard’s last fight with Nate Diaz, I didn’t think he looked ready. I thought Frankie Edgar was ready for a fight, uh, with BJ Penn and he proved it that night.
JIM ROME: Dana, what happened to Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell? They were supposed to wrap up The Ultimate Fighter season and fight. It’s not happening. What happened?
DANA WHITE: Well, obviously, you know, something happened during the filming of the show and it’s one of those things that we can’t talk about so people are just going to have to tune in, watch The Ultimate Fighter, and see what happened, uh, between Tito and Chuck.
JIM ROME: Fans are upset, though, Dana, you know that. Were they in any way misled? Were they sold something, a bill of goods? Did you know it was going to happen and mislead them?
DANA WHITE: Um, did I… no. Were they sold a bill of goods? No. Before we made the fight up in Vancouver, you know, that it’s going to be Rich Franklin vs. Chuck Liddell… um… first day ticket sales, we released it and let them know what the fight was going to be. But as far as the reality show goes, I can’t tell you what happens on the reality show. And what happened was when people went in there to start tearing down the lighting equipment, one of the workers took a picture on the wall of Rich Franklin on the wall and then released it to the media, so the media starts asking questions. IT’S A REALITY SHOW! Guess what? We’re probably the most open, honest company in sports. You know we let the fans and media know everything. When we have a reality show where everything’s a secret, you’re going to have to watch it… guess what? You can’t know! And it’s not your privilege to know. And if people are upset with that, too bad.
JIM ROME: So there’s no way they’re going to find out exactly what happened until the show?
DANA WHITE: Exactly.
JIM ROME: In a way, Dana, it’s kind of out of character. I get that you have a show to do, but it’s not like you not to shoot straight and answer that question.
DANA WHITE: True, but I can’t! It’s a reality show. This… first of all, Spike paid for this show. The show costs a lot of money to produce and for me to go out, you know, as open and as honest as I am, for me to go out and release this information, it’s insane. You can’t do it. It would be like finding out what happens on Survivor after they film it. It ruins, I guarantee you — there’s a lot of people out there that don’t want to know, you know, and the people who feel like they’ve been lied to, too bad. Get over it. It’s a reality show and uh… oh well.
JIM ROME: All right, Dana, what about Fedor? You and I have spoken about him in the past. Not only have you not been discouraged by not signing him, it’s become something of an obsession. Where does that stand?
DANA WHITE: Yeah, you know, listen… I, I… everybody that thinks that this guy is as good as he is, I want to find out too. I’m as big or a bigger fight fan than anybody that watches Mixed Martial Arts. So if somebody believes that this guy is possibly the best, which I personally do not think that he is one of the pound-for-pound best in the world, yes, he’s one of the best top heavyweights in the world. I want to find out how good he really is, but it takes two to make a deal. Not just one guy, not “Dana, you got to get this done!” Trust me, this has become an obsession. I’ve done everything in my power to try to make this deal happen.”
JIM ROME: Dana White. Dana, good to have you back. Thank you very much.
DANA WHITE: Thank you.
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Who does he think he’s fooling with the “I’ll fire Silva” crap? Come on, would he really release him, have him go to Strikeforce and have big fights with Henderson, Mousasi, Le, Lawler, Babalu, and maybe even Fedor? No way. He’d sit on his deal like he did to Arlovski before that happens.
And lol @ acting like Sonnen is going to bring the excitement to the fight. He’s going to take him down and…..and….and?
“Frankie Edgar, I mean… in all your years in the UFC, have you ever seen a bigger upset than that one?”
Hi. My name is Matt Serra, you may remember me from such UFC upsets as UFC 69.
And there are some equals to this: Gonzaga knocking out Cro Cop, Lauzon beating Pulver, Jardine beating Liddell, Penn beating Hughes, Couture beating Liddell, Sylvia beating Rodriguez, just to name a few.
thanks for transcribing, one of the more interesting and revealing interviews of late
Thanks Zach.
I might’ve missed this otherwise.
Anderson Silva, despite being the UFC’s best fighter, gets put in repeatedly versus the worst fighters of any champion. Even James Irvin is a low-UFC LHW/MW. Forrest Griffin got his top-5 ranking by beating a weakened Shogun and winning an undeserved decision against Rampage. In reality, he’s always just been at/slightly above the class of Jardine.
I don’t think anyone was able to check off any of his past 3 defenses on a list of even remotely compelling fights. This matchmaking has been so poor I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw Anderson fight Alessio Sakara at some point.
At least we got to see something we hadn’t seen before for 3 rounds. And the ghost of Lyoto Machida for R4/R5.
Of Anderson Silva’s last 8 fights, at least 6 of them have been against Top 10 guys. Cote was borderline. Irvin was the only guy not even close to the top 10.
But I would agree with you…. A lot of them have not been complelling fights. In general, the Middleweight Division has never been good. I said this like a month ago… That middleweight is basically just a place for Welterweights who got too big or Light Heavyweights who failed and are now sucking themselves dry at weigh-ins to make another run at it.
So I don’t think it is the matchmaking… As much as it is just no interesting fights available for this weight class. Light Heavyweight and Welterweight has always been the glory divisions of MMA. Middleweight is the ugly retarder friend who nobody wants to pick for kickball during recess.
It is interesting that Dana White basically unofficially announced Silva/Sonnen without getting Silva’s approval. This is going to be a theme for a while. He is going to get no say in the matchmaking. They are going to pick his opponent…. Tell the media about it… And then let him either sign the contract or look like an idiot for ducking the competition.
At least with Silva/Sonnen, it is likely to be a good fight. Sonnen is going to come after him the entire time. And the refs are all fully aware of what Silva did last time which means the warning he got in round 5 for stalling is likely to come in round 1 or 2 and then be followed by points being deducted if he continues. To the point that if they start it early enough, he is guaranteed to lose the fight if he does not engage….
“…in all my years of boxing…”
Some people who actually do have quite a few years in boxing would roll their eyes at Dana White saying this.
Jim Ross knows what’s up with Anderson Silva…
“UFC in Abu Dhabi was a stinker. Too bad, too. Only one opportunity to make a first impression in a new market. Not sure what’s up with Anderson Silva but it sure sounds like it’s attitudinal and ego driven. Fighters. wrestlers, ball players, etc have a responsibility to always give the fans their monies worth and Silva hasn’t done that too many times lately. Helluva talented guy but he appears to becoming a ‘head case’ and I assure you that after being in pro wrestling for 36 years I know a ‘head case’ when I see one. I would not have confidence that Anderson Silva can be ‘the guy’ and headline PPV events until he regains the trust and the confidence of UFC/MMA fans.”
I find it funny when people blame Dana White for his matchmaking for Silva. JR knows the blame should be on Silva.
Headcases happen once in a while in team sports… But it is much easier to sweep under the rug. With an individual sport, and specifically your champion…. It is front and center and hard to fix….
But for people to blame Dana White on this is foolish to say the least. It’s basically impossible to fix a “head case”… And it is just poison to give into their demands that likely won’t result in any change in behavior anyways.
Both sides are wrong.
It would obviously benefit Silva to trample all of his opponents. I have no idea why he would do what he’s doing, obviously someone in his team would have discussed this with him.
But the fact that he didn’t destroy Maia immediately doesn’t absolve the UFC for making a poor matchup. We know that MW is a terrible weight class, with one dimensional fighters like Sonnen and Maia sniffing the top 5, and Hendo/Nate being #2 and 3 despite needing a vast upgrade in skills. I feel that Silva should moonlight at LHW – to build better contenders at MW and also in case Machida loses.
What if somehow Anderson Silva was to clown you or I in a main event for 5 rounds? Who’s fault would it be? Anderson’s for not finishing? Or the UFC for organizing an awful matchup?
Silva’s responsiblity is to win. I also take exception to your earlier statement that refs should start point deductions in round 1/2 on Silva. Maia threw how many strikes in those rounds? FM has him at 1/4 and 0/7 in R1 and 2.
“What if somehow Anderson Silva was to clown you or I in a main event for 5 rounds? Who’s fault would it be? Anderson’s for not finishing? Or the UFC for organizing an awful matchup?”
Why would you try to compare Anderson Silva fighting a top 5 MW and one of the best grapplers in the world to fighting just a regular guy off the street. It doesn’t make since.
“Silva’s responsiblity is to win. I also take exception to your earlier statement that refs should start point deductions in round 1/2 on Silva. Maia threw how many strikes in those rounds? FM has him at 1/4 and 0/7 in R1 and 2.”
He was making the point that the refs could look for that easier, and if Anderson does it early on he can expect a warning. He didnt say it should have happended in the Maia fight.
“and Hendo/Nate being #2 and 3 despite needing a vast upgrade in skills.”
Hendo and Nate need a vast upgrade in skills, eh. Never heard that one.
“I feel that Silva should moonlight at LHW – to build better contenders at MW and also in case Machida loses.”
What do you think two fights at LHW in the past two years are?
You guys forget weight jumping can be detrimental to fighters. All you have to do is look at RJJ when he went up to 206 (or whatever he weighed in at to fight Ruiz), and then his downfall when he came back down.
If he keeps going up to 205 he is going to have to stay there eventually.
– Despite his credentials, Demian Maia was only marginally more competitive than “guy off the street”. He didn’t get knocked out because Anderson didn’t want to/gassed himself yelling at Maia. The weakness of the MW division means that Maia is “overranked”, and comes up against the most untouchable champion creating an even worse mismatch than the usual #5 vs #1.
– Personally, I don’t want fighters being treated differently. What if Anderson perfects a fleeing style that looks exactly like his regular counterstriking style? Should referees have an itchy trigger finger? What is the risk of them misreading intent? Right now, they can barely call the rules and protect fighters at the same time.
– Silva has fought a better quality of fighter at LHW than he has in any of his 3 MW defenses. He can and should begin fighting LHWs, defending the belt only when a legitimate contender shows up. Anderson will fight and enjoy himself at 205. There is nothing like a challenge to cure boredom.
The UFC blames Anderson for not lighting up its poor opposition (and in so delighting uninformed fans and hardcores alike). However, these essentially unwinnable matches highlight a problem within the division that will not be solved by sending more fighters to get slaughtered/5 round dec’d before they have added more skills.
My opinion on Dan Henderson is that he has too many holes in his game to be considered the #2 fighter in a solid weight class. Nate is more well rounded and likely a better fighter but the #2 should not have lost to Sonnen who has lost to other lower ranked fighters and struggles to finish anyone.
You and I are not Top 10 Middleweights.
The UFC had Vitor Belfort lined up. Anderson Silva complain about him. Belfort got injured. When Chael Sonnen’s name started to enter the picture, he complained. Then Damian Maia’s name entered the picture… And he didn’t complain at all. Ed Soares even said it was a good style match-up.
WTF is the UFC to do? Read the guys mind? He complains about fighting everybody over the last year…. From Dan Henderson to Nathan Marquardt to Chael Sonnen to Vitor Belfort to Wanderlei Silva to Lyoto Machida…. In his mind nobody is worthy of challenging him. Find another fighter who has complained about potentially fighting so many different fighters for so many different reasons… Seriously…. try to name one fighter who has complained more about various different match-ups. You will not find a fighter even close.
Then they get a guy he doesn’t complain about… Damian Maia…. And he still makes a mockery of the fight. WTF!! Even when he says he is happy, he is still a “head case”.
Moving him up and down weight classes is not an option if he isn’t going to stick around. He could potentially ruin titles and future title fights without sticking to that weight class and making it worth anybody’s while. So by his own actions… He is stuck at Middleweight.
And the best anybody is going to see is him fighting real Middleweight contenders… No matter average they are. And Silva has nobody to blame but himself.
You don’t give into a madman’s demands…. You just don’t. You don’t reward him for bad behavior with fights against your other champions.
You don’t see GSP pulling this against Dan Hardy… Because as JR said… “Fighters. wrestlers, ball players, etc have a responsibility to always give the fans their monies worth”…. JR understands this. Any of the major stars in the major sports understand this.
People are giving Silva far too much credit with this issue…. The guy, as JR put it…. Is a “Head Case”. Nothing more, nothing less. He should now be treated as such until he can prove otherwise….
You pretend as though Anderson Silva really wants to fight at MW. He clearly does not through his in-cage actions, or does not find the competition stiff enough. There are some highly capable individuals who need to be put in specific situations to extract the best results from them. Is it surprising that this extends to the MMA world?
Anderson has stated many times, his interest in fighting something other than middleweights, most notably Roy Jones and assorted heavyweights – Frank Mir has been coming up for about half a year now. What I suspect happens is that Ed Soares pushes to get Anderson fights he wants, but eventually is forced to book his fighter into a fight so that they can both earn some money. His duty is to do what Anderson says, but he has Anderson toe the company line at certain points. So while he may have complained about 2 opponents, complaining about a 3rd and submarining UFC 112’s main even was not something Ed was willing to allow. One thing he cannot control is Anderson inside the Octagon.
We all know that Anderson is quiet, but has an unwavering confidence in his abilities which reaches into on arrogance at times.
You have painted Anderson as some sort of madman and destroyer of weight classes. Used properly, I still belive he can be a big draw though he has not proven it in the past. Star quality is transferred when stars beat other stars, and realistically, Anderson’s biggest victory at MW is over Rich – a successful fighter and one-time champion, but not someone who ever had the fan support/aura of a Liddell/Couture/Hughes. However, I think we were seeing the effect of beating Forrest at UFC 112. The fans just expected so much that the disappointment has been absolutely crushing and sent everyone into a frenzy.
Anderson at LHW just makes sense – he is good enough of an athlete to compete there at his size (which fluctuates anyway). And the UFC needs more than title fights to headline its many shows. Putting Anderson in with LHWs only makes sense – you don’t have to derail those on a path to a title, but you would have to give him top 10 opposition. And even though it’s Lyoto’s belt, I suspect that we could see Anderson with that belt eventually. I think that he is firey enough to fight Lyoto when push comes to shove, and the possiblility of a Lyoto loss within the year is not out of the question. Of course, there is a good possiblity that Lyoto retains and Anderson never goes for the belt. But the potential of Anderson with the LHW belt should be very enticing to fans and the UFC.
You and Jim Ross would have a point if he didn’t fight as good as ever in the division he really wants to be in.
Since he’s still P4P list worthy at 205, it can only mean he’s bored with the Middleweight division or is purposely giving a half-assed performance hoping Dana lets him leave or give him more 205 fights. I guarantee you if Silva had a Light Heavyweight fight next month he’d finish it in round one.
When has Anderson Silva ever publicly stated that he wanted to leave MW and move to LHW? Find that quote for me…. I’m curious to see what you come up with….
What he has said is that he refuses to fight Lyoto Machida, despite even Lyoto’s own father saying the fight should happen. Which kills his career at Light Heavyweight instantly.
Soares went on record saying they were happy with Maia as an opponent.
It’s comical at best that people justify Silva’s behavior. There is no justification at all. Only for a true DW hater would that even remotely make sense.
Anderson Silva is being a lot of money to fight. He is accepting that money…. And then he tried his best not to fight…. He’s not living up to his end of the agreement.
In any major sport, Silva would have been traded for future draft picks already…. Many teams don’t put up with that sort of behavior no matter how good the athlete is. And the fans of those sports as a whole, complete understand this and accept it because they don’t like that bush league stuff either.
Only in MMA would people justify the behavior.
Like JR said… He has a long history of knowing which ones are the head cases. His opinion is much more important then the diehard internet hateful who are just trying to sh!t on DW anyway possible, even when it is illogical.
Many teams put up with all sorts of bad behaviour in the pursuit of winning…
How do you think Chad Johnson became Chad Ochocinco?
More often then not those guys are traded. The Red Sox tried to trade Manny Ramirez every off season but couldn’t due to his big contract. And there was nobody they could get to replace his bat. The Yankees straight up don’t put up with any of that garbage either.
Those guys are more likely to cause team chemistry problems then win you a championship.
In any favor of life…. Whether it be sports or an office job…. There are always head cases. Once in a while one does last and thrive. 9 times out of ten they aren’t around for long.
Look at Paulo Filho. They got rid of him the first chance they could get.
Anderson Silva says next to nothing period, most of his quotes come from Soares who says Silva wants big money fights. And there is next to nothing for big money fights at 185. Therefore 205 is where he wants to be if he wants big money. And needless to say a Sonnen fight doesn’t bring that since nobody knows who he is.
I’m not justifying his behavior. He’s totally wrong for what he did. It was totally unprofessional and uncalled for. I’m just saying to claim he’s a hopeless head case when clearly he isn’t when he fights the fights he wants is as ridiculous as if someone put 100% blame on the UFC for it. If he’s a headcase he should have given Forrest Griffin the same treatment he has given his recent title defenses.
And Jim Ross is in a totally different industry so he’s just as much armchairing it as you or I. Just because he knows Brock Lesnar doesn’t make him an MMA fighter expert. He knows about a bunch of guys who get pissed off when they have to lose without being hit with a folding chair or double teamed.
People don’t understand how managers work. They represent the fighters. Sometimes legally as well. Which means if Soares is saying Marquardt/Henderson needed to happen before they would fight for the title…. He is doing so as a representative of Anderson Silva.
Same crap with M-1/Fedor. People act like Fedor is the nice guy and M-1 is the evil one. They are all one and the same.
And Jim Ross is a very good judge of character here. Both he and Dana White know what it is to be around athletes from all walks of life who sometimes have attitude problems or even worse. I think you could take a baseball scout or a basketball scout and they would come to very much the same conclusion after familiarizing themselves with the sport of MMA and specifically Anderson Silva’s behavior…
And Anderson Silva is a hopeless headcase when a fighter does not come straight at him in attack mode. He refuses to engage and dances around, dancing, making faces, yelling…. But actually refusing to do the one thing he is paid to do…. Which is FIGHT!! The damage he is potentially doing to the sport… Including risking the paychecks of his own teammates…. Can only be done in the mind of a complete nut job…. He has now done it 3 times too….
Lastly, there is a good article on MMA Junkie right now with Ed Soares. He said Dana White didn’t even yell at Anderson Silva after the fight. But gave his point of view….
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Wrestlers aren’t real athletes. Ross as head of talent relations was more akin to a Hollywood agent than sports executive. The “headcases” in pro wrestling are usually that way due to drug use and bitch about things completely far away from what sports stars would. I don’t think Big Papi has ever gone to Red Sox brass to complain he’s striking out too much and wants the opposing pitcher to make him look better and to get more interview time on ESPN. But it’s funny that you bash wrestling and wrestling personalities speaking on MMA until you finally find one of the few people who support your narrative is one.
1) Again, being a hopeless headcase would mean 100% sucking when he only sucks when he’s fighting a fight he doesn’t want. He’s more of a prima donna. A head case is Bob Sapp or Gomi who can’t get their game together for anything. The Spider is just being a Diva.
2) He isn’t damaging the sport. Did Kalib Starnes cause a drop off in popularity after the Quarry fight? Did the Machida haters stop buying PPVs because they hated his defensive style? Does Jon Fitch cripple the industry? No, they just damage themselves. The Silva hating public will just not buy Anderson Silva fights at 185. Honestly they were doing that anyway even when his fights were good. And come on, they’re not going to take this out on the Nogueiras and Machida. Hell, they’re not even taking it out on Silva beyond browbeating and empty threats.
So is Jim Ross the new Dave Meltzer we’re supposed to bow to as he tells us about “real sports build-up” now?
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