Comments on: Donald Cerrone gets royally screwed over by Texas judges

By: venum mma

venum mma — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:26:33 +0000

I think organisations like the UFC should have a “finish fight” bonus and a smaller appearance fee for each bout taking the decision away from the judges.

By: zet

zet — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:19:32 +0000

cerrone won, the ref should have stopped the fight in the 4th or 5th rounds due to the fact the those arm cranks could have broken his arm and of course cerrone or anyother fighter knows how far they can take them without doing damage. its unfortunate that a brute who lives by reckless abandonment for his limbs will stay and take that abuse because he knows the other fighter wont rip his arm off.
there should be a new rule where the refs stop the fight as they do from multiple strikes to save a fighter.

By: UK MMA Clothing

UK MMA Clothing — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:18:53 +0000

I guess we can also add shogun/machida to the silly decision list.

It was a good fight imo though

By: jj

jj — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:03:34 +0000

I just re-watched the fight. Based on the 10 point must system scoring for striking, grappling, aggression, and cage control it goes to to Cerrone 48-47. R1 is a draw. R2 & R3 go to Henderson 10-9 for both. R4 goes to Cerrone 10-9. And R5 goes to Cerrone 10-8. He controlled all aspects of the fight in the last round and was seriously dominant in the grappling and aggression.

If it was in Japan it would go to Cerrone no doubt. Even against a Japanese fighter. Well, most Japanese fighters.

By: Ultimo Santa

Ultimo Santa — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:08:32 +0000

I don’t think I’d lump in GSP with one-dimensional guys who can only wrestle. He has several submission wins and very dynamic striking.

My point is that when the rules, the octagon, and clearly the scoring system all heavily favor wrestling, it encourages fighters to do just what Ben Henderson did: not pass guard, not go for submissions, and do nothing more than attempt takedowns and wing punches.

The more fighters get wise to this, the more lay-and-pray we`re going to see.

By: Oh Yeah

Oh Yeah — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:05:42 +0000

Yeah, no submission attempts like when Huerta put his arm behind his back and asked Maynard to wrench it for him.

GSP doesn’t use many submissions either. Perhaps he should be banished as well.

By: Ultimo Santa

Ultimo Santa — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:31:21 +0000

Bullcrap.

Attempting a submission is a) an attempt to finish a fight, and b) putting yourself at risk to attempt the finish.

That should count for something.

Imagine if every fighter fought like Ben Henderson (or Dan Henderson, or Gray Maynard, etc.) You’d see nothing but takedowns, no attempt to pass guard or finish, no submission attempts, and some sloppy boxing to top it off.

By: archerD

archerD — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:21:52 +0000

IceMuncher Says:
I think people over-value submission attempts. The reason why it’s a submission “attempt”, rather than an actual submission is because either A) you didn’t do it right, or B) the other guy defended it properly. Honestly, how close to a finish is it, if it was impossible for you to finish the fight due to one of the above reasons. In my opinion, not very close at all. It’s worth points, but it’s not worth a lot.

Gotta agree with this. ATTEMPTING is a try and fail. Escaping submissions IS greater because you just saved your butt from getting finished.

By: Ultimo Santa

Ultimo Santa — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:04:26 +0000

Apparently in American MMA scoring:

- 1 takedown = 100 clean strikes landed

- submission attempt from bottom = nothing

- 1 takedown attempt > stuffing a takedown

- 1 successful takedown (even if it leads to little or no offence) > 3+ submission attempts

- escaping a submission > attempting one

- standing/lying in guard and not attempting to pass or finish for more than 50% of a round = automatic 10-9 round

By this criteria, which is apparently what WEC scores by, Ben Henderson was the clear winner.

By: jj

jj — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:20:50 +0000

\”Of course there could. A robbery is when fight that is cut and dry for all to see is given to the wrong fighter by two or more judges to the chargrin of *everyone*.\”

Thanks for your opinion on what a robbery is, now go back and re-read what he said but apply some common sense this time around.