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		<title>By: Fedor, Vadim and the UFC: A Match Not Made in Heaven &#124; Ultimate Fighter Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fedor, Vadim and the UFC: A Match Not Made in Heaven &#124; Ultimate Fighter Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you read Zach Arnold&#8217;s FightOpinion site, you know 45 Huddle. If you know 45, you also know he can be a bit hard-headed and that your regular commenters usually don&#8217;t agree with him, but he makes an incredibly valid point here: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you read Zach Arnold&#8217;s FightOpinion site, you know 45 Huddle. If you know 45, you also know he can be a bit hard-headed and that your regular commenters usually don&#8217;t agree with him, but he makes an incredibly valid point here: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ruth comparison was more for the &quot;changing of the sport&quot;, as in Ruth didn&#039;t have to deal with the level of pitching Barry Bonds did when he played, just like Fedor didn&#039;t have to deal with the &quot;big guys with better skill&quot; his detractors keep pointing at. It doesn&#039;t mean his run in the first half of the decade should be discredited. Maybe if guys could throw 100 mile an hour fastballs and sinkers Ruth would have stuck out a lot more. But he isn&#039;t a fraud because he couldn&#039;t compete 80 years later. If baseball was MMA, fans would demand the removal of him from the record books, and Hank Aaron. Hell, probably Barry Bonds too since a few years have passed and 2007 is &quot;old&quot; in MMA years.

Also, it&#039;s very interesting to me how when a beloved MMA fighter makes a decision fans don&#039;t agree with, they throw it on someone else. Randy never would have had problems with Zuffa if Kim didn&#039;t get involved in his business affairs. Tito wouldn&#039;t have made outlandish demands for money if Jenna didn&#039;t get in his ear. And now Fedor&#039;s entire life is decided by his manager? All 3 of those men are reasonably intelligent from what we&#039;ve seen, they make the final decision because they want to, not because they&#039;re subservient to a master. Vadim, Jenna and Kim obviously chipped in their two cents to Fedor, Tito and Randy, but they did not make the decision for them. It&#039;s a copout to say &quot;I&#039;ll credit you for your good points but blame the bad ones on somebody else.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ruth comparison was more for the &#8220;changing of the sport&#8221;, as in Ruth didn&#8217;t have to deal with the level of pitching Barry Bonds did when he played, just like Fedor didn&#8217;t have to deal with the &#8220;big guys with better skill&#8221; his detractors keep pointing at. It doesn&#8217;t mean his run in the first half of the decade should be discredited. Maybe if guys could throw 100 mile an hour fastballs and sinkers Ruth would have stuck out a lot more. But he isn&#8217;t a fraud because he couldn&#8217;t compete 80 years later. If baseball was MMA, fans would demand the removal of him from the record books, and Hank Aaron. Hell, probably Barry Bonds too since a few years have passed and 2007 is &#8220;old&#8221; in MMA years.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s very interesting to me how when a beloved MMA fighter makes a decision fans don&#8217;t agree with, they throw it on someone else. Randy never would have had problems with Zuffa if Kim didn&#8217;t get involved in his business affairs. Tito wouldn&#8217;t have made outlandish demands for money if Jenna didn&#8217;t get in his ear. And now Fedor&#8217;s entire life is decided by his manager? All 3 of those men are reasonably intelligent from what we&#8217;ve seen, they make the final decision because they want to, not because they&#8217;re subservient to a master. Vadim, Jenna and Kim obviously chipped in their two cents to Fedor, Tito and Randy, but they did not make the decision for them. It&#8217;s a copout to say &#8220;I&#8217;ll credit you for your good points but blame the bad ones on somebody else.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, if he retires or goes elsewhere, then he becomes the guy who refused to sign the richest MMA contract of all time, regardless of whether the numbers are real or not.

And I don&#039;t see any reason to say they aren&#039;t real.

Maybe 30 mil is based on the fight/win instead of a guaranteed amount, other than that, it&#039;s just silly presuming that it&#039;s a total fiction.  UFC is offering him money, it&#039;s a fair bet that it&#039;s more than anyone else has ever made in the sport, and he would be treated as the top fighter in their stable, hands down.

Anything other than that is spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, if he retires or goes elsewhere, then he becomes the guy who refused to sign the richest MMA contract of all time, regardless of whether the numbers are real or not.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t see any reason to say they aren&#8217;t real.</p>
<p>Maybe 30 mil is based on the fight/win instead of a guaranteed amount, other than that, it&#8217;s just silly presuming that it&#8217;s a total fiction.  UFC is offering him money, it&#8217;s a fair bet that it&#8217;s more than anyone else has ever made in the sport, and he would be treated as the top fighter in their stable, hands down.</p>
<p>Anything other than that is spin.</p>
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		<title>By: liger05</title>
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		<dc:creator>liger05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just glad Fedor is in the EA MMA Game!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just glad Fedor is in the EA MMA Game!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Fedor doesnt sign with the UFC it doesn&#039;t mean he ducking competition. Would I like to see home in the UFC? Yes. If he never fights there it won&#039;t reduce his legacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Fedor doesnt sign with the UFC it doesn&#8217;t mean he ducking competition. Would I like to see home in the UFC? Yes. If he never fights there it won&#8217;t reduce his legacy.</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carmichael Dave always seemed to be very close to Dana White, but I am not sure if thats a positive or negative in terms of him having the right numbers. 

If those figures are correct then Fedor would be foolish to not accept them. He will never come close to making $5 million per fight outside of the UFC. Dream or Strikeforce can&#039;t provide even a million dollar contract unless they revert to the PPV model which will fail. Fans are only going to buy PPVs in North America and only if they are promoted by the UFC.

There has to be more to this, maybe those six fights are not guaranteed? 

At this point I don&#039;t really see the champions clause as a big deal because fighters will not earn more then $5 million per fight in the next five years. If we look at the UFC PPV numbers, the top guys might deserve $10 million + contracts but ZUFFA will never allow them to earn that much and nothing outside of the UFC will be as lucrative. The only guy who might force them into giving out Tyson type paydays is Brock if he puts on a long winning streak. Fedor will never be the cross-over star that Brock is, even if he beats him.

It wouldn&#039;t make sense for Fedor to go to Strikeforce and only earn 1.5 million. What can they and Showtime possibly offer M-1? Also I don&#039;t see how M-1 made much of a profit from co-promoting with Affliction since the PPVs tanked. 

If the offer is real then Fedor&#039;s team will accept and they are just currently haggling over some other points, probably trying to guarantee the contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carmichael Dave always seemed to be very close to Dana White, but I am not sure if thats a positive or negative in terms of him having the right numbers. </p>
<p>If those figures are correct then Fedor would be foolish to not accept them. He will never come close to making $5 million per fight outside of the UFC. Dream or Strikeforce can&#8217;t provide even a million dollar contract unless they revert to the PPV model which will fail. Fans are only going to buy PPVs in North America and only if they are promoted by the UFC.</p>
<p>There has to be more to this, maybe those six fights are not guaranteed? </p>
<p>At this point I don&#8217;t really see the champions clause as a big deal because fighters will not earn more then $5 million per fight in the next five years. If we look at the UFC PPV numbers, the top guys might deserve $10 million + contracts but ZUFFA will never allow them to earn that much and nothing outside of the UFC will be as lucrative. The only guy who might force them into giving out Tyson type paydays is Brock if he puts on a long winning streak. Fedor will never be the cross-over star that Brock is, even if he beats him.</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t make sense for Fedor to go to Strikeforce and only earn 1.5 million. What can they and Showtime possibly offer M-1? Also I don&#8217;t see how M-1 made much of a profit from co-promoting with Affliction since the PPVs tanked. </p>
<p>If the offer is real then Fedor&#8217;s team will accept and they are just currently haggling over some other points, probably trying to guarantee the contract.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The delusions of Fedor fans continue to amaze me, Fedor is not the greatest anything you can&#039;t be when you are ducking the top mma promotion in the world. It&#039;s like a foreign basketball player being proclaimed the best of all time even though he never played in the NBA. Can&#039;t happen and considering the history of his Pride HW counterparts the Fedor myth is on it&#039;s last legs. His best hope to have any king of legacy is to come to the UFC and make his mark. Because if he doesn&#039;t he&#039;ll be forgotten and be a guy that only hardcore&#039;s ever even think about the UFC is taking over the mma world either you join them or you disappear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The delusions of Fedor fans continue to amaze me, Fedor is not the greatest anything you can&#8217;t be when you are ducking the top mma promotion in the world. It&#8217;s like a foreign basketball player being proclaimed the best of all time even though he never played in the NBA. Can&#8217;t happen and considering the history of his Pride HW counterparts the Fedor myth is on it&#8217;s last legs. His best hope to have any king of legacy is to come to the UFC and make his mark. Because if he doesn&#8217;t he&#8217;ll be forgotten and be a guy that only hardcore&#8217;s ever even think about the UFC is taking over the mma world either you join them or you disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Trembow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Trembow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, when is Anderson Silva going to fight Brock Lesnar at heavyweight?  But other than that, you do make a good point that there are currently more highly-ranked heavyweight fighters in the UFC than there are outside of the UFC.  But let&#039;s not act like there are NO highly-ranked heavyweight fighters outside of the UFC.  Even with Josh Barnett out of the picture, other top-15-ranked heavyweights who are not in the UFC include Brett Rogers, Alistair Overeem, Jeff Monson, Fabricio Werdum, and Andrei Arlovski.  That&#039;s a stronger heavyweight division than the UFC had a few years ago (a UFC heavyweight division that Dana White now says completely sucked), but you&#039;re right that it&#039;s still not as good as the UFC&#039;s current heavyweight division.  Couture, Nogueira, and Cro Cop are all closer to the end than they are to their primes, and Fedor beat Nogueira and Cro Cop in their primes, but Lesnar beating the Carwin/Velasquez winner would indeed be a very big achievement and I would look forward to that fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, when is Anderson Silva going to fight Brock Lesnar at heavyweight?  But other than that, you do make a good point that there are currently more highly-ranked heavyweight fighters in the UFC than there are outside of the UFC.  But let&#8217;s not act like there are NO highly-ranked heavyweight fighters outside of the UFC.  Even with Josh Barnett out of the picture, other top-15-ranked heavyweights who are not in the UFC include Brett Rogers, Alistair Overeem, Jeff Monson, Fabricio Werdum, and Andrei Arlovski.  That&#8217;s a stronger heavyweight division than the UFC had a few years ago (a UFC heavyweight division that Dana White now says completely sucked), but you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s still not as good as the UFC&#8217;s current heavyweight division.  Couture, Nogueira, and Cro Cop are all closer to the end than they are to their primes, and Fedor beat Nogueira and Cro Cop in their primes, but Lesnar beating the Carwin/Velasquez winner would indeed be a very big achievement and I would look forward to that fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Roadblock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Roadblock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the bottom line. Fedor is the best fighter to ever compete in MMA to this point. 

In boxing many people believe Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson were the best ever. But nobody lists either of them at thetop of the list of active fighters. 

If Fedor doesn&#039;t go to UFC he will still be the best ever. For now. But he should no longer be ranked the top current heavyweight. 

It is concievable that Brock beats Velasquez, Carwin, nog or Randy again, Cro Cop, Machida, Tito Ortiz and Anderson Silva. That cod be his next three years. Or one of the other guys could amass the same resume.  That fighter would then trump Fedor on the all time great list. Fedor avoiding UFC would aid in that argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the bottom line. Fedor is the best fighter to ever compete in MMA to this point. </p>
<p>In boxing many people believe Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson were the best ever. But nobody lists either of them at thetop of the list of active fighters. </p>
<p>If Fedor doesn&#8217;t go to UFC he will still be the best ever. For now. But he should no longer be ranked the top current heavyweight. </p>
<p>It is concievable that Brock beats Velasquez, Carwin, nog or Randy again, Cro Cop, Machida, Tito Ortiz and Anderson Silva. That cod be his next three years. Or one of the other guys could amass the same resume.  That fighter would then trump Fedor on the all time great list. Fedor avoiding UFC would aid in that argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Trembow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Trembow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“OMG! How could anyone turn that money down?!?”

Followed by “ok, they are not dumb, they didn’t turn it down”.&quot;

Okay...

So far, how many media outlets and message board posters have said, &quot;OMG! How could anyone turn that money down?!?&quot;?  A lot.

So far, how many media outlets and message board posters have said, &quot;ok, they are not dumb, they didn&#039;t turn it down&quot; so far?  Not very many.

Is your argument really that more people are going to express the latter sentiment than the former sentiment?

I didn&#039;t call anyone a dumbfuck (I&#039;ll leave the name-callin to you, Michael), but if you don&#039;t think that most UFC fans would flat-out believe Dana White&#039;s word over M-1 Global&#039;s word, then you must pay very little attention to the MMA media or to comment posters, and I don&#039;t think that is the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“OMG! How could anyone turn that money down?!?”</p>
<p>Followed by “ok, they are not dumb, they didn’t turn it down”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay&#8230;</p>
<p>So far, how many media outlets and message board posters have said, &#8220;OMG! How could anyone turn that money down?!?&#8221;?  A lot.</p>
<p>So far, how many media outlets and message board posters have said, &#8220;ok, they are not dumb, they didn&#8217;t turn it down&#8221; so far?  Not very many.</p>
<p>Is your argument really that more people are going to express the latter sentiment than the former sentiment?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call anyone a dumbfuck (I&#8217;ll leave the name-callin to you, Michael), but if you don&#8217;t think that most UFC fans would flat-out believe Dana White&#8217;s word over M-1 Global&#8217;s word, then you must pay very little attention to the MMA media or to comment posters, and I don&#8217;t think that is the case.</p>
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