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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/07/13/quote-of-the-day-skepticism-about-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-63706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell you can’t have it both ways. How can international expansion be the key to making real money, but boxing is “hanging on by a thread”? Boxing is freakin’ enormous still pretty much everywhere but America, especially in Europe. UFC 99 in Germany only got less than 13,000 fans. But shortly after that Wladimir Klitschko drew 61,000 fans in a soccer stadium in the biggest German fight since the heyday of Max Schmeling, the biggest sports star ever in Germany. That doesn’t sound like “hanging on by a thread” to me. I&#039;m not huge on boxing either, but I&#039;m not going to buy into Dana&#039;s &quot;boxing is dead&quot; propaganda when evidence suggests otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell you can’t have it both ways. How can international expansion be the key to making real money, but boxing is “hanging on by a thread”? Boxing is freakin’ enormous still pretty much everywhere but America, especially in Europe. UFC 99 in Germany only got less than 13,000 fans. But shortly after that Wladimir Klitschko drew 61,000 fans in a soccer stadium in the biggest German fight since the heyday of Max Schmeling, the biggest sports star ever in Germany. That doesn’t sound like “hanging on by a thread” to me. I&#8217;m not huge on boxing either, but I&#8217;m not going to buy into Dana&#8217;s &#8220;boxing is dead&#8221; propaganda when evidence suggests otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it is provable that MMA is not going to be accepted by the over-40 crowd. It&#039;s been proven for nearly 16 years.

It&#039;s a foreign concept to them. I heard some sports radio host make a comment of along the lines &quot;I respect them as athletes, but I cannot stomach watching a sport where it&#039;s ok to beat a man when he&#039;s down.&quot; So even if every MMA fighter acted as gentlemanly as Michael Jordan and Peyton Manning at all times, that age group still can&#039;t get past the concept of the sports itself. So what are you going to do, sanitize ground n pound offense away so you can get your wish of being covered as much as the NFL? Who cares if they&#039;re as big as the NFL: the UFC is a household name, you can watch several MMA programs during the week on cable television and the sport is holding its own against its real competitor boxing.

I don&#039;t understand this obsession MMA fans have with making MMA bigger, I think it&#039;s great where it is right now. I think UFC needs to pay fighters better money, but now the UFC gets disappointed when they get only 300,000 buys when 5 years ago they were popping champagne when they get 150,000. And it should never be like every other sport. That is part of its appeal, there&#039;s still a edginess to it that you don&#039;t get with boring baseball, sanitized football or mediocre basketball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it is provable that MMA is not going to be accepted by the over-40 crowd. It&#8217;s been proven for nearly 16 years.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a foreign concept to them. I heard some sports radio host make a comment of along the lines &#8220;I respect them as athletes, but I cannot stomach watching a sport where it&#8217;s ok to beat a man when he&#8217;s down.&#8221; So even if every MMA fighter acted as gentlemanly as Michael Jordan and Peyton Manning at all times, that age group still can&#8217;t get past the concept of the sports itself. So what are you going to do, sanitize ground n pound offense away so you can get your wish of being covered as much as the NFL? Who cares if they&#8217;re as big as the NFL: the UFC is a household name, you can watch several MMA programs during the week on cable television and the sport is holding its own against its real competitor boxing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand this obsession MMA fans have with making MMA bigger, I think it&#8217;s great where it is right now. I think UFC needs to pay fighters better money, but now the UFC gets disappointed when they get only 300,000 buys when 5 years ago they were popping champagne when they get 150,000. And it should never be like every other sport. That is part of its appeal, there&#8217;s still a edginess to it that you don&#8217;t get with boring baseball, sanitized football or mediocre basketball.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/07/13/quote-of-the-day-skepticism-about-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-63606</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy - I couldn&#039;t disagree more. No offense intended, but so many writers and &quot;experts&quot; are either extremely short-sighted, or just hate the UFC so badly that they are not able to step back and look at the big picture. 

 While this may be the current high-water mark, I still think that the sports overall popularity has just scratched the surface.  Boxing is hanging by a thread right now, and people like to watch other people fight.   How about this, if you were a day trader and wanted to make a quick buck - sell.  The next couple of PPV&#039;s may not do as well.  But, if you were an &quot;investor&quot; and concerned about the long term prospects, MMA will be much bigger in 1-2 years than it is right now.  

The thing I most admire about UFC&#039;s business model (and I think they learned this from WWE) is the smart international expansion. Having so many countries that generate revenue is a great safety net.  Besides, if WWE can ride out the horrible waves of publicity  that they have had through the years and still thrive (Benoit, Steroid scandals, young wrestlers dying all the time) I have no reason whatsoever to think that MMA wouldnt be able to do the same.  There will ALWAYS be a home for UFC on a cable TV channel (at least for the next 10 years).


Also, this fall will be the highest rated TUF ever, and at least 2-3 of the heavyweights will come out with a big name and people interested in seeing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t disagree more. No offense intended, but so many writers and &#8220;experts&#8221; are either extremely short-sighted, or just hate the UFC so badly that they are not able to step back and look at the big picture. </p>
<p> While this may be the current high-water mark, I still think that the sports overall popularity has just scratched the surface.  Boxing is hanging by a thread right now, and people like to watch other people fight.   How about this, if you were a day trader and wanted to make a quick buck &#8211; sell.  The next couple of PPV&#8217;s may not do as well.  But, if you were an &#8220;investor&#8221; and concerned about the long term prospects, MMA will be much bigger in 1-2 years than it is right now.  </p>
<p>The thing I most admire about UFC&#8217;s business model (and I think they learned this from WWE) is the smart international expansion. Having so many countries that generate revenue is a great safety net.  Besides, if WWE can ride out the horrible waves of publicity  that they have had through the years and still thrive (Benoit, Steroid scandals, young wrestlers dying all the time) I have no reason whatsoever to think that MMA wouldnt be able to do the same.  There will ALWAYS be a home for UFC on a cable TV channel (at least for the next 10 years).</p>
<p>Also, this fall will be the highest rated TUF ever, and at least 2-3 of the heavyweights will come out with a big name and people interested in seeing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Asa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumped that Shark wasn&#039;t inferred in any way.  I read it as a fad peaking.

And I personally am not concerned with how Old White Guys affect the &quot;fans,&quot; I&#039;m concerned with how they affect the sponsors and execs the sport needs to get on TV so it can be watched by everyone who doesn&#039;t have the disposable income of Young White Guys - which is most of the world.

Neat write-up Zach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumped that Shark wasn&#8217;t inferred in any way.  I read it as a fad peaking.</p>
<p>And I personally am not concerned with how Old White Guys affect the &#8220;fans,&#8221; I&#8217;m concerned with how they affect the sponsors and execs the sport needs to get on TV so it can be watched by everyone who doesn&#8217;t have the disposable income of Young White Guys &#8211; which is most of the world.</p>
<p>Neat write-up Zach.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/07/13/quote-of-the-day-skepticism-about-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-63598</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumped the shark?  Never said that.  But this would be a good opportunity to take profits for sure.

There are two approaches here, you can continue to try to stack shows and hype them which costs a lot of money, or you can have a run of cheaper budget shows to cash in.

If this were a stock on the open market, either one might be bad (revenue per show down, or costs up).  Clear sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumped the shark?  Never said that.  But this would be a good opportunity to take profits for sure.</p>
<p>There are two approaches here, you can continue to try to stack shows and hype them which costs a lot of money, or you can have a run of cheaper budget shows to cash in.</p>
<p>If this were a stock on the open market, either one might be bad (revenue per show down, or costs up).  Clear sell.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/07/13/quote-of-the-day-skepticism-about-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-63594</link>
		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, do you really think people over 50 would ever accept mma?  I honestly don&#039;t think that mma would ever have a shot in hell with that generation, whereas for people 30 and south, who have grown up with mma, it is totally accepted.  It is amazing to me how many people who I would have considered casual fans a few years ago now watch all the events and always watch with big groups.  MMA is exploding and really doesn&#039;t need the older generation&#039;s approval, whether you like it or not.  

There is something on every UFC show that is incredibly violent.  I don&#039;t think boxing would ever face threats of bans even though there are way more deaths in boxing, and we see biting as well.  MMA is never going to be able to please everyone; what the UFC has done is create a large, devoted fanbase that is increasing in passion and size on a daily basis.  A few rabid anti-mma advocates who are incredibly uneducated about the sport should not dictate policy.  

MMA legislation will get entirely passed in NY next term and there will be an event in MSG in 2009.  It is inevitable.  

I am not arguing that what Hendo or Brock did was excusable.  Their actions were terrible, but at least in Dan&#039;s case, understandable.  People who were anti-mma before this show are still anti-mma; whether or not Hendo had nailed Bisping when he was down or given him a bunch of flowers, old, faux-righteous politicians are still going to say it is vulgar and human cockfighting.  However, when they see their respective states&#039; budget deficits, all those complaints will vanish when they look at the bottom line and see how much money they could bring in if the UFC came to town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, do you really think people over 50 would ever accept mma?  I honestly don&#8217;t think that mma would ever have a shot in hell with that generation, whereas for people 30 and south, who have grown up with mma, it is totally accepted.  It is amazing to me how many people who I would have considered casual fans a few years ago now watch all the events and always watch with big groups.  MMA is exploding and really doesn&#8217;t need the older generation&#8217;s approval, whether you like it or not.  </p>
<p>There is something on every UFC show that is incredibly violent.  I don&#8217;t think boxing would ever face threats of bans even though there are way more deaths in boxing, and we see biting as well.  MMA is never going to be able to please everyone; what the UFC has done is create a large, devoted fanbase that is increasing in passion and size on a daily basis.  A few rabid anti-mma advocates who are incredibly uneducated about the sport should not dictate policy.  </p>
<p>MMA legislation will get entirely passed in NY next term and there will be an event in MSG in 2009.  It is inevitable.  </p>
<p>I am not arguing that what Hendo or Brock did was excusable.  Their actions were terrible, but at least in Dan&#8217;s case, understandable.  People who were anti-mma before this show are still anti-mma; whether or not Hendo had nailed Bisping when he was down or given him a bunch of flowers, old, faux-righteous politicians are still going to say it is vulgar and human cockfighting.  However, when they see their respective states&#8217; budget deficits, all those complaints will vanish when they look at the bottom line and see how much money they could bring in if the UFC came to town.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are going so totally classless about it that their tickets are about the highest priced for any sports and entertainment show that you can buy. They attract the absolute most desirable demographic in all of marketing.   

They are BUILDING their company and brand very successfully.  Harley Davidson, Burger King, and Bud Light are replacing Xyience and Mickeys as sponsors.  They are the highest grossing PPV entity in the world.  You are right, they are obviously going about things the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are going so totally classless about it that their tickets are about the highest priced for any sports and entertainment show that you can buy. They attract the absolute most desirable demographic in all of marketing.   </p>
<p>They are BUILDING their company and brand very successfully.  Harley Davidson, Burger King, and Bud Light are replacing Xyience and Mickeys as sponsors.  They are the highest grossing PPV entity in the world.  You are right, they are obviously going about things the wrong way.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Conceicao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Conceicao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its the same point made all along: They may make a lot of money, but they&#039;ve proven without a shadow of a doubt to be willling to go totally classless to do it. Defending it on the basis that &quot;well, they wouldn&#039;t be accepted anyways&quot; is an unprovable assertion. Certainly they&#039;ve had to work damn hard to get to this point in terms of cleaning up the appearance and fashion in which the sport is prevented. Arguing that UFC 100 harkened back to the great promotional success of Tank Abbott shows how shortsighted a lot of folks have become. Tank&#039;s rise in popularity created the momentum to wipe UFC off cable providers and ban them in multiple states. Imagine a state legislator in NY on the fence about MMA seeing Hendo/Bisping and the subsequent &quot;Oh man, watch him stiffen up!&quot; type comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the same point made all along: They may make a lot of money, but they&#8217;ve proven without a shadow of a doubt to be willling to go totally classless to do it. Defending it on the basis that &#8220;well, they wouldn&#8217;t be accepted anyways&#8221; is an unprovable assertion. Certainly they&#8217;ve had to work damn hard to get to this point in terms of cleaning up the appearance and fashion in which the sport is prevented. Arguing that UFC 100 harkened back to the great promotional success of Tank Abbott shows how shortsighted a lot of folks have become. Tank&#8217;s rise in popularity created the momentum to wipe UFC off cable providers and ban them in multiple states. Imagine a state legislator in NY on the fence about MMA seeing Hendo/Bisping and the subsequent &#8220;Oh man, watch him stiffen up!&#8221; type comments.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You aren&#039;t making an argument, you&#039;re just being bitter.  What is your point about fan expo?  It wasn&#039;t aristocratic enough for you?  NBA All-Star Game, NFL Pro Bowl, etc are always marked by activities for the fans to partake in.  I for some reason doubt that everyone at those events drives a Mercedes and has a wine cellar.   I&#039;m not sure what good there is in thumbing your nose at mma&#039;s fanbase, 30,000-50,000 of whom came in person to Fan Expo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You aren&#8217;t making an argument, you&#8217;re just being bitter.  What is your point about fan expo?  It wasn&#8217;t aristocratic enough for you?  NBA All-Star Game, NFL Pro Bowl, etc are always marked by activities for the fans to partake in.  I for some reason doubt that everyone at those events drives a Mercedes and has a wine cellar.   I&#8217;m not sure what good there is in thumbing your nose at mma&#8217;s fanbase, 30,000-50,000 of whom came in person to Fan Expo.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Conceicao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Conceicao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, you guys. Completely missing the point. Maybe the next Fan Expo can be even bigger! They can have more adult film stars/high priced escorts! Maybe a photo op with Grave Digger. Some MotoX exhibitions in the parking lot? Oooh, I&#039;m sure they could get some highly respected musical acts to play too. Maybe Motley Crue? Or perhaps Korn! And lots of energy drink booths. Too old if its too loud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, you guys. Completely missing the point. Maybe the next Fan Expo can be even bigger! They can have more adult film stars/high priced escorts! Maybe a photo op with Grave Digger. Some MotoX exhibitions in the parking lot? Oooh, I&#8217;m sure they could get some highly respected musical acts to play too. Maybe Motley Crue? Or perhaps Korn! And lots of energy drink booths. Too old if its too loud!</p>
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