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		<title>By: JUSTBLEED.COM &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Best MMA Rankings, Ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>JUSTBLEED.COM &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Best MMA Rankings, Ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an excellent rankings by some quality folks in the MMA industry.  I really believe this is the best one I&#8217;ve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m completely with you on Florian. I mean, Eddie Alvarez is RIGHT THERE. The loss to Aoki doesn&#039;t really phase him, especially when since then he has looked like a monster.

I think its the whole fact that he is in UFC and has risen up to the point of being the clearest contender. I&#039;m sure 45 Huddle agrees with that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m completely with you on Florian. I mean, Eddie Alvarez is RIGHT THERE. The loss to Aoki doesn&#8217;t really phase him, especially when since then he has looked like a monster.</p>
<p>I think its the whole fact that he is in UFC and has risen up to the point of being the clearest contender. I&#8217;m sure 45 Huddle agrees with that one.</p>
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		<title>By: skwirrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skwirrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off the positives.  HW and 170 are SOLID.  I like the unique look to the HW landscape and its all justifiable.  I feel Mir beat a shell of Nog...  But he still beat Nog so can&#039;t argue the ranking.  170 is on locks the only possible argument is against swick or Thiago as he was getting curb stomped prior to the KO. 

MW is pretty good based on accomplishments except for Marquardt and Leitas.  Who has Marquardt he beaten worth a shit again?  Misaki before he was any good?  Everybody forget he got busted for roids too, despite the UFC&#039;s super beatable system.  From the looks of Muscle and Fitness this month he&#039;s back on his good supplements again.  And Leitas?  Really?  Top 10?  Really?  Cote is more deserving.  (and he&#039;s not deserving at all) 

LW is good except for Florian as 2, (this is based on accomplishments right?), who has never beaten a 155 lber worth a crap.  Lost to Sherk when Sherky still liked to wrestle.  BJ is heavily overrated too, (in so much as he&#039;s treated godly instead of barely #1 based on accomplishments), so this will be weird if Florian beats him and still in reality isn&#039;t the best 155 in the world.


FW and Bantamweight are also solid.  The 1 beef I have with FW is Garcia who got massively overrated in a losing effort to Roger Huerta.  Garcia will lose to anybody in the top 10 and some outside it.  

Bantam...  Ribeiro should never fight again.  Don&#039;t even tempt him to come back as it could be a death sentence.  The man had his skull caved in on a curb after coming off a motorcycle if what I read was accurate.  Manny Tapia...  How is he still overrated after Torres crushed him like any one of the other 20 some cans on his record?  Curran should be in there at 8-10.  His losses have come to 1 and 2 at 145 and a rising star via decision.  If excuses are made to forgive Sardine&#039;s losses how does Curran get screwed?!?


Now to the truly WTF stuff

What was being smoked to put Rich &quot;I&#039;ve never beaten a top contender in his prime in my life&quot; Franklin, ahead of the man that beat him just a few months ago?  AT THAT WEIGHT?!?!  Franklin&#039;s win over Wand wasn&#039;t even impressive I scored the damn thing for Wand!  (still a win but nowhere near the kind of performance necessary to leapfrog a man that just beat you)

Also...  Rashad is still at 2 after getting dismantled by Machida?  Draw with unranked Tito who is his 3rd best opposition.  KO Liddell...  Absolutely murdered and embarrassed by Machida.  I don&#039;t know if he landed a punch the entire fight.  Not even top 5.  Should be even with Sardine.

Once again though...  HW and 170 are very well justified if different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off the positives.  HW and 170 are SOLID.  I like the unique look to the HW landscape and its all justifiable.  I feel Mir beat a shell of Nog&#8230;  But he still beat Nog so can&#8217;t argue the ranking.  170 is on locks the only possible argument is against swick or Thiago as he was getting curb stomped prior to the KO. </p>
<p>MW is pretty good based on accomplishments except for Marquardt and Leitas.  Who has Marquardt he beaten worth a shit again?  Misaki before he was any good?  Everybody forget he got busted for roids too, despite the UFC&#8217;s super beatable system.  From the looks of Muscle and Fitness this month he&#8217;s back on his good supplements again.  And Leitas?  Really?  Top 10?  Really?  Cote is more deserving.  (and he&#8217;s not deserving at all) </p>
<p>LW is good except for Florian as 2, (this is based on accomplishments right?), who has never beaten a 155 lber worth a crap.  Lost to Sherk when Sherky still liked to wrestle.  BJ is heavily overrated too, (in so much as he&#8217;s treated godly instead of barely #1 based on accomplishments), so this will be weird if Florian beats him and still in reality isn&#8217;t the best 155 in the world.</p>
<p>FW and Bantamweight are also solid.  The 1 beef I have with FW is Garcia who got massively overrated in a losing effort to Roger Huerta.  Garcia will lose to anybody in the top 10 and some outside it.  </p>
<p>Bantam&#8230;  Ribeiro should never fight again.  Don&#8217;t even tempt him to come back as it could be a death sentence.  The man had his skull caved in on a curb after coming off a motorcycle if what I read was accurate.  Manny Tapia&#8230;  How is he still overrated after Torres crushed him like any one of the other 20 some cans on his record?  Curran should be in there at 8-10.  His losses have come to 1 and 2 at 145 and a rising star via decision.  If excuses are made to forgive Sardine&#8217;s losses how does Curran get screwed?!?</p>
<p>Now to the truly WTF stuff</p>
<p>What was being smoked to put Rich &#8220;I&#8217;ve never beaten a top contender in his prime in my life&#8221; Franklin, ahead of the man that beat him just a few months ago?  AT THAT WEIGHT?!?!  Franklin&#8217;s win over Wand wasn&#8217;t even impressive I scored the damn thing for Wand!  (still a win but nowhere near the kind of performance necessary to leapfrog a man that just beat you)</p>
<p>Also&#8230;  Rashad is still at 2 after getting dismantled by Machida?  Draw with unranked Tito who is his 3rd best opposition.  KO Liddell&#8230;  Absolutely murdered and embarrassed by Machida.  I don&#8217;t know if he landed a punch the entire fight.  Not even top 5.  Should be even with Sardine.</p>
<p>Once again though&#8230;  HW and 170 are very well justified if different.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, beating one guy just about a year ago at LHW doesn&#039;t make him a top light heavyweight.

If he beats Forrest it is a way different story. Way different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, beating one guy just about a year ago at LHW doesn&#8217;t make him a top light heavyweight.</p>
<p>If he beats Forrest it is a way different story. Way different.</p>
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		<title>By: see</title>
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		<dc:creator>see</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just glad nobody included Anderson Silva on the 205lb rankings like most rankings I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just glad nobody included Anderson Silva on the 205lb rankings like most rankings I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolverine</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/18/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-19-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-62794</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolverine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>his body of work was impressive in 2005. Since then he hasn&#039;t beaten any top featherweights. His last win against Bibiano (1-1 at that time) was almost 2 years ago.

Oh I forgot about Rani, but from what I remember it was at bantamweight and Yamatoto should have been DQed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>his body of work was impressive in 2005. Since then he hasn&#8217;t beaten any top featherweights. His last win against Bibiano (1-1 at that time) was almost 2 years ago.</p>
<p>Oh I forgot about Rani, but from what I remember it was at bantamweight and Yamatoto should have been DQed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren is a great prospect but he has a win via a cut and a win off of a fighter coming off a long layoff to a major surgery. KID is active again and his body of work is impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren is a great prospect but he has a win via a cut and a win off of a fighter coming off a long layoff to a major surgery. KID is active again and his body of work is impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Kid Yamamoto should not be ranked higher than Joe Warren who beat him and Chase Beebe. Will Riberio should not be ranked so high because he hasn’t fought in a while.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agree on Ribeiro, disagree on Kid.

Warren&#039;s got two big wins, but he&#039;s 2-0.  Yamamoto fought a tough battle with Warren and came off knee surgery, plus has a much larger established body of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Kid Yamamoto should not be ranked higher than Joe Warren who beat him and Chase Beebe. Will Riberio should not be ranked so high because he hasn’t fought in a while.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Agree on Ribeiro, disagree on Kid.</p>
<p>Warren&#8217;s got two big wins, but he&#8217;s 2-0.  Yamamoto fought a tough battle with Warren and came off knee surgery, plus has a much larger established body of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Oops!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oops!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kid Yamamoto should not be ranked higher than Joe Warren who beat him and Chase Beebe. Will Riberio should not be ranked so high because he hasn&#039;t fought in a while.

These ranking&#039;s suck. To many problems. I like Sherdog&#039;s rankings better. Atleast it is up to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kid Yamamoto should not be ranked higher than Joe Warren who beat him and Chase Beebe. Will Riberio should not be ranked so high because he hasn&#8217;t fought in a while.</p>
<p>These ranking&#8217;s suck. To many problems. I like Sherdog&#8217;s rankings better. Atleast it is up to date.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If two fighters fight at two different weight classes with two different outcomes, then there&#039;s a perfectly legitimate reason to rank them differently in those two weight classes in an editorial ranking.

My general opinion is that a fighter is as good as he or she is, and a good fighter will want to fight in the weight class where he or she is most competitive.

The places where you see the most trouble are Bantamweight/Featherweight/Lightweight and Middleweight/Light Heavyweight.

Bantamweight is a really sparse weight class, and the same is true at Featherweight.  Sometimes fighters have to take the gigs that are available instead of the fights that are &quot;right&quot; for their build and capabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If two fighters fight at two different weight classes with two different outcomes, then there&#8217;s a perfectly legitimate reason to rank them differently in those two weight classes in an editorial ranking.</p>
<p>My general opinion is that a fighter is as good as he or she is, and a good fighter will want to fight in the weight class where he or she is most competitive.</p>
<p>The places where you see the most trouble are Bantamweight/Featherweight/Lightweight and Middleweight/Light Heavyweight.</p>
<p>Bantamweight is a really sparse weight class, and the same is true at Featherweight.  Sometimes fighters have to take the gigs that are available instead of the fights that are &#8220;right&#8221; for their build and capabilities.</p>
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