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	<title>Comments on: More on the Juanito Ibarra lawsuit against Tito Ortiz and MMA web sites</title>
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		<title>By: PDG</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62382</link>
		<dc:creator>PDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some background information:


-----Original Message-----
From: admin@punchdrunkgamer.com [mailto:admin@punchdrunkgamer.com]
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:15 AM
To: Samuel J. Smith
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Defamation Claim; Demand For Retraction]

Attention Mr. Samuel Smith,

We have reviewed your request and we are standing by the story. In
addition to having the interview with Tito Ortiz, we also conducted a
reasonable investigation and confirmed there are several sources who
provide similar sets of facts to support the statements made in the
story.

At this time PDG (PunchDrunkGamer) will not be offering a retraction of
this story. Mr. Ibarra is more then welcome to offer his side of the
events which, following reasonable investigation to confirm accuracy
could appear on the front page of PDG.


Thank You,

PunchDrunkGamer Inc.




To the Representatives of Punch Drunk Gamer: Unfortunately, your
Company has refused to retract the defamatory &quot;story&quot; even though we
have put you on notice that there is no basis to the story and it is
defamatory. Can you please identify yourself and provide us your
address and telephone number so that we may know who we are
communicating with? Should you have any questions, please feel free to
contact me. Sammy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some background information:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: <a href="mailto:admin@punchdrunkgamer.com">admin@punchdrunkgamer.com</a> [mailto:admin@punchdrunkgamer.com]<br />
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:15 AM<br />
To: Samuel J. Smith<br />
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Defamation Claim; Demand For Retraction]</p>
<p>Attention Mr. Samuel Smith,</p>
<p>We have reviewed your request and we are standing by the story. In<br />
addition to having the interview with Tito Ortiz, we also conducted a<br />
reasonable investigation and confirmed there are several sources who<br />
provide similar sets of facts to support the statements made in the<br />
story.</p>
<p>At this time PDG (PunchDrunkGamer) will not be offering a retraction of<br />
this story. Mr. Ibarra is more then welcome to offer his side of the<br />
events which, following reasonable investigation to confirm accuracy<br />
could appear on the front page of PDG.</p>
<p>Thank You,</p>
<p>PunchDrunkGamer Inc.</p>
<p>To the Representatives of Punch Drunk Gamer: Unfortunately, your<br />
Company has refused to retract the defamatory &#8220;story&#8221; even though we<br />
have put you on notice that there is no basis to the story and it is<br />
defamatory. Can you please identify yourself and provide us your<br />
address and telephone number so that we may know who we are<br />
communicating with? Should you have any questions, please feel free to<br />
contact me. Sammy</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62337</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, if you are a lawyer out there reading this on the West Coast (I’m looking at you, Todd) and would like to comment on this case in-depth, I’d like to hear from you as well.&lt;/i&gt;

What happened to that lawyer on the West Coast that you used to do a certain podcast with? Or was Jeff his kayfabe name and Todd is who you are referring to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also, if you are a lawyer out there reading this on the West Coast (I’m looking at you, Todd) and would like to comment on this case in-depth, I’d like to hear from you as well.</i></p>
<p>What happened to that lawyer on the West Coast that you used to do a certain podcast with? Or was Jeff his kayfabe name and Todd is who you are referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: JudgeIto</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62332</link>
		<dc:creator>JudgeIto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of points:

-Malice only require recklessness or an extreme disregard for a know risk (in this case the facts not being true).

-All of those websites are being sued for their publishing of the libel.  It seems weird, but those who publish libel are too liable.

-I&#039;m surprised the attny for Juanito didn&#039;t plead in the alternative if Juanito was a public figure.  Problem with public figures is that it opens the door to First Amendment concerns.  This will likely be the Defendent&#039;s arguments.  Courts treat public figure news as broad.  See: the tabloids at your supermarket.

-I wonder if the fake names alluded touches upon the story you had up a week or two ago, Zach?

-Regarding the facts, people may think of Juanito as being thin-skinned here, but this is the classic type of defamation case.  Tito is going to have to prove the truth of his statements.  If Juanito can win, it in effect clears his name (though not necessarily on the Underground).

OK, back to studying for the bar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of points:</p>
<p>-Malice only require recklessness or an extreme disregard for a know risk (in this case the facts not being true).</p>
<p>-All of those websites are being sued for their publishing of the libel.  It seems weird, but those who publish libel are too liable.</p>
<p>-I&#8217;m surprised the attny for Juanito didn&#8217;t plead in the alternative if Juanito was a public figure.  Problem with public figures is that it opens the door to First Amendment concerns.  This will likely be the Defendent&#8217;s arguments.  Courts treat public figure news as broad.  See: the tabloids at your supermarket.</p>
<p>-I wonder if the fake names alluded touches upon the story you had up a week or two ago, Zach?</p>
<p>-Regarding the facts, people may think of Juanito as being thin-skinned here, but this is the classic type of defamation case.  Tito is going to have to prove the truth of his statements.  If Juanito can win, it in effect clears his name (though not necessarily on the Underground).</p>
<p>OK, back to studying for the bar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sooodbyjuanito</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62328</link>
		<dc:creator>sooodbyjuanito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Fluyid

Juanito timed his suit -- which refers to events and statements of at least 8 months ago -- to coincide exactly with Tito&#039;s becoming a free agent. That&#039;s shrewd timing since Tito&#039;s been prevented from earning money by the UFC still having an option on him. Now he&#039;s on the market and likely to cut a lucrative deal very soon. Great timing for a lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Fluyid</p>
<p>Juanito timed his suit &#8212; which refers to events and statements of at least 8 months ago &#8212; to coincide exactly with Tito&#8217;s becoming a free agent. That&#8217;s shrewd timing since Tito&#8217;s been prevented from earning money by the UFC still having an option on him. Now he&#8217;s on the market and likely to cut a lucrative deal very soon. Great timing for a lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62325</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to salvage Rampage&#039;s career after the &quot;delirium&quot; talk, etc, someone had to be thrown under the bus.  It wasn&#039;t going to be Rampage -- he makes people money because he is top tier talent in this game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to salvage Rampage&#8217;s career after the &#8220;delirium&#8221; talk, etc, someone had to be thrown under the bus.  It wasn&#8217;t going to be Rampage &#8212; he makes people money because he is top tier talent in this game.</p>
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		<title>By: Fluyid</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62323</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluyid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Also note the timing, Juanito waited to file until Tito was a free agent. He’s trying to get paid by taking a slice of Tito’s new contract.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Explain what you mean, please.  I&#039;m dense and don&#039;t understand your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Also note the timing, Juanito waited to file until Tito was a free agent. He’s trying to get paid by taking a slice of Tito’s new contract.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Explain what you mean, please.  I&#8217;m dense and don&#8217;t understand your point.</p>
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		<title>By: sooodbyjuanito</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62321</link>
		<dc:creator>sooodbyjuanito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the parties sued by Juanito I can say that V is full of shit. We pulled the story down -- a story that ran with no editorial comment whatsoever, just Tito&#039;s quote and got sued anyway.
Also note the timing, Juanito waited to file until Tito was a free agent. He&#039;s trying to get paid by taking a slice of Tito&#039;s new contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the parties sued by Juanito I can say that V is full of shit. We pulled the story down &#8212; a story that ran with no editorial comment whatsoever, just Tito&#8217;s quote and got sued anyway.<br />
Also note the timing, Juanito waited to file until Tito was a free agent. He&#8217;s trying to get paid by taking a slice of Tito&#8217;s new contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Banned In DC</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62318</link>
		<dc:creator>Banned In DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would this be subject to an Anti-SLAPP motion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would this be subject to an Anti-SLAPP motion?</p>
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		<title>By: robthom</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62317</link>
		<dc:creator>robthom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...YOU ALL would know that this story told by Tito [really by Rampage] is a manufactured lie.&quot;


Theres somebody who still believes things that come out of tito&#039;s mouth?!

Wow.

I have any idea what tito allegedly said because I dont listen to those things. 

All I know right now is that ibarra appears to be petty and litigious, which is no better than tito in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;YOU ALL would know that this story told by Tito [really by Rampage] is a manufactured lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Theres somebody who still believes things that come out of tito&#8217;s mouth?!</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>I have any idea what tito allegedly said because I dont listen to those things. </p>
<p>All I know right now is that ibarra appears to be petty and litigious, which is no better than tito in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Maysey</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2009/06/06/more-on-the-juanito-ibarra-lawsuit-against-tito-ortiz-and-mma-web-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62305</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Maysey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have reason to believe that is not true above.  One of the websites did remove the link in question--which was posted with a neutral byline and no editorial content, and appears on the list of defendants anyway.

I am not sure about the offering to tell the other side of the story, or if that request was even made of the website in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have reason to believe that is not true above.  One of the websites did remove the link in question&#8211;which was posted with a neutral byline and no editorial content, and appears on the list of defendants anyway.</p>
<p>I am not sure about the offering to tell the other side of the story, or if that request was even made of the website in question.</p>
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