Comments on: Does the UFC now have their own version of the “Akiyama” scandal?

By: bejeez

bejeez — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:54:39 +0000

Clearly you didn’t see BJ’s legs slippin like a greased up pig on a slip and slide all over GSP’s back. The outcome still might have been the same as GSP and BJ were prolly equal in most aspects but BJ’s stand up was way better. BJ’s submissions are dirty and his rubber guard couldn’t work as you could see. You can’t say GSP was the better fighter because he took away BJ’s ground/submission game. Penn couldn’t prevent the guard passes because for the same reason why Penn couldn’t hold on to submissions because he was greased man. Think bout what you write before you type bro. Even GSP admits to the vaseline givin him an advantage

By: GreenDragon

GreenDragon — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:08:02 +0000

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned regarding this story is the fact that a highly trained athlete like St. Pierre will sweat more, and sweat earlier, than a relatively untrained (cardiovascularly speaking) athlete like Penn. It is a well known fact in the realm of exercise physiology that this occurs, and it is also a well-known fact among fight fans that GSP trains a hell of a lot harder than many of his peers. Also, some people simply sweat more than others. So, in short, St. Pierre’s opponents complain for 3 main reasons. 1: GSP sweats like crazy, starting early in the fight, and so becomes slippery. 2: St. Pierre is so strong and so skilled in submission defense from top position that it would be difficult to control him even without the sweat (or vaseline) factor.
3: These other fighters are simply sore over the fact that GSP makes them look like friggin’ amateurs. Talk about penis-envy. Just my opinion. Peace.

By: Fluyid

Fluyid — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:37:36 +0000

“For the boob who said something about a mix of water and baby oil….
News flash**** water and oil don’t mix, and it has a very distinct smell and feel, nothing like vaseline residue.

If that were to happen it would be easily recognized, nevermind that whoever would do that would be at risk also…ever get something like baby oil in your eyes, shit even sweat stings, imagine getting oil in your eyes…”

LOL

I really have to stop coming to this place. In fact, I’m done.

By: Kris

Kris — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:13:54 +0000

Thanks for the link Zach!

By: mikeyg

mikeyg — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:42:04 +0000

For the boob who said something about a mix of water and baby oil….
News flash**** water and oil don’t mix, and it has a very distinct smell and feel, nothing like vaseline residue.

This whole thing is rediculous….its put on their faces at the beginning of the fight by the cutmen, and in between rounds, how is it not bound to get over other things….and sweat itself would deteriorate and dissepate the little residue that is left behind.

By: Ivan Trembow

Ivan Trembow — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:46:50 +0000

The triumph of the Sherk case for his legal team was spreading enough misinformation and getting enough people to actually believe it that many people, still to this day, think he was somehow screwed, either because they don’t know the facts of the case or they only know Sherk’s illogical facts.

As Sherk’s attorney Howard Jacobs learns every time he tries it, it is NOT a valid defense to say that a fighter had a banned substance in their body because it was in a supplement that they took. Even if true (and they didn’t come close to proving that it was true), that would still NOT make him innocent or less deserving of punishment. Fighters are responsible for what they put in their body, as Jacobs finds out every time he tries and fails to successfully use the ole’ standby supplement defense.

Also, Sherk’s argument about the drug testing equipment being contaminated is a joke. It must be a magical coincidence that Sherk’s “A sample” contained the same steroid and the same amoutn of it as his “B sample,” which was tested weeks afer his A sample was tested.

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It is confirmed again by Keith Kizer, not just in the Cofield story but also in MMAWeekly and Sherdog stories, that there were two incidents.

The first one you can see clear as day if you look at the tape between Rounds 1 and 2.

The second time that the cornerman rubbed vaseline on GSP’s back, it was between Rounds 2 and 3, and and this one was not shown during the PPV but Kizer said that this one he witnessed himself with his own eyes.

Here’s more on this “non-story that Zach and I made up” from MMAWeekly, with quotes from the NSAC’s Keith Kizer:

“Watching the pay-per-view, Nurse is clearly seen on camera applying Vaseline to the face of St. Pierre following round one. It is difficult to tell the amount of residual Vaseline on his hands, but he does clearly rub St. Pierre’s shoulders and then reach around to touch his upper back. The extent to which such actions affected the actual in-ring action are unclear, but what is clear is that such action was a violation Nevada’s regulations.

“They didn’t take a big glob and throw it on his back. After putting Vaseline on (St. Pierre’s) face, he put his hands on his body. I don’t know if it was intentional or not, but it was improper,” Kizer continued.

And from the Sherdog article:

Kizer said: “After the second round, we observed Mr. Jackson putting Vaseline on Mr. St. Pierre’s face and then putting his hand on his back.” …

“I told them I was disappointed and that they may have tainted Mr. St. Pierre’s victory…Whether it was intentional or not, I don’t know. It was improper.”

By: smoogy

smoogy — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:44:22 +0000

Another imaginary scandal cooked up by Zach Arnold and Ivan Trembow! Curse you fiends!

By: samscaff

samscaff — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:28:09 +0000

While I agree that steroid use and incidental/accidental greasing are not the same at all….in no way was the CSAC “exposed” or Sean Sherk exonerated.

Sean Sherk lost his case with the CSAC….

As far as anyone should be concerned, he is a convicted roider. He hasnt even come close to proving otherwise.

There are plenty of guys out there who never tested positive. Its not that hard.

By: EJ

EJ — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:55:13 +0000

“Using that logic, why does anyone give a damn about Sean Sherk using steroids in the Hermes Franca fight? Sherk would have whooped him with or without the steroids, so why does anyone care if Sean was juicing?

The answer it … because it is illegal. Whether it impacted the fight is not the issue. It is still cheating regardless of the outcome.”

Horrible argument, forgetting first off that the case against Sherk was a joke and the CSAC has been exposed because of it. Also forgetting the fact that both Hermes and Sherk tested positive for steroids after the fact you’re argument is simply silly.

Using steroids is illegal and has a track record of getting guys suspended and overturning fights. The idea that some vaseline on GSP’s back equals doing steroids just shows how desperate BJ Penn fans are to grasp at anything to justify his complete destruction by GSP.

By: The Gaijin

The Gaijin — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:39:27 +0000

“If this is the case, then vaseline needs to be banned in general. It has already been discussed that the vaseline from the face will get on parts of the body and make the fights more slippery. If anything, that is worse then a cornerman who likely has no globs left on his fingers massaging his fighter between rounds.”

Comparing “incidental contact” between fighters and directly “rubbing on/applying” vaseline are so far apart it’s not even funny. The fact that you continue to attempt to forward it as a legitimate argument is idiotic.