Comments on: About the discussion of Brock Lesnar and ‘the changing of the guard’… http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:26:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: D.Capitated http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54785 D.Capitated Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:17:57 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54785 Funniest stat re: grappling in the UFC: Jorge Gurgel has made it a habit since he entered the UFC to, you know, never work his strength as a grappler, standing trading even with guys like Abbadi who had no appreciable grappling skill. And yet, looking at his pre-UFC record, 8 of his 9 wins were by submission. Funniest stat re: grappling in the UFC: Jorge Gurgel has made it a habit since he entered the UFC to, you know, never work his strength as a grappler, standing trading even with guys like Abbadi who had no appreciable grappling skill. And yet, looking at his pre-UFC record, 8 of his 9 wins were by submission.

]]> By: cyph http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54783 cyph Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:17:25 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54783 Fair enough, that's your opinion and I'm not here to change it. But let me ask you this: How many FOTY candidates are stand up only fights and how many are ground only fights? How many greatest fights of all time can you think of that consisted of only stand ups, and how many can you think of that consisted of only the ground game? Fair enough, that’s your opinion and I’m not here to change it.

But let me ask you this: How many FOTY candidates are stand up only fights and how many are ground only fights? How many greatest fights of all time can you think of that consisted of only stand ups, and how many can you think of that consisted of only the ground game?

]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54779 Ivan Trembow Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:57:28 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54779 No, it's not. That is based on the misconception that ground fighting is inherently less exciting. Go watch Maia vs. MacDonald or Reis vs. Cullum or any other recent fight that was a great ground fight. I'm also not saying that I'm opposed to stand-up fighting, I'm saying that I'm opposed to good ground fighters intentionally abandoning their strengths in order to instead put on a C-level kickboxing match and hopefully get the Fight of the Night bonus. No, it’s not. That is based on the misconception that ground fighting is inherently less exciting. Go watch Maia vs. MacDonald or Reis vs. Cullum or any other recent fight that was a great ground fight.

I’m also not saying that I’m opposed to stand-up fighting, I’m saying that I’m opposed to good ground fighters intentionally abandoning their strengths in order to instead put on a C-level kickboxing match and hopefully get the Fight of the Night bonus.

]]> By: cyph http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54774 cyph Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:38:24 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54774 Sure, it's sloppy. But if you disqualify sloppy but exciting fights, then the low-tier fighters would never win FOTN. Is that what everybody wants--that only the best of the best should qualify for FOTN? The rich will only get richer. These awards are arbitrary and not everyone will agree with it. The universal truth: the stand up game will always be more exciting than the ground game, even if they are both compelling in MMA. There will always be a 70/30 split for FOTN favoring the stand up. You can agree with it or not, but it is what it is. Sure, it’s sloppy. But if you disqualify sloppy but exciting fights, then the low-tier fighters would never win FOTN. Is that what everybody wants–that only the best of the best should qualify for FOTN? The rich will only get richer. These awards are arbitrary and not everyone will agree with it.

The universal truth: the stand up game will always be more exciting than the ground game, even if they are both compelling in MMA. There will always be a 70/30 split for FOTN favoring the stand up. You can agree with it or not, but it is what it is.

]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54773 Ivan Trembow Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:30:41 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54773 That's ignoring the fact that another, slightly-less-sloppy kickboxing match just got Fight of the Night recently (Chris Lytle's most recent fight). That’s ignoring the fact that another, slightly-less-sloppy kickboxing match just got Fight of the Night recently (Chris Lytle’s most recent fight).

]]> By: dave2 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54760 dave2 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:46:23 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54760 It could be that they gave Riley/Gurgel FOTN because they wanted the distribution of bonuses to be more equitable this time. (Instead of having McLovin hog two $60,000 bonuses, the wealth is spread this way) However, the UFC gave two OTN bonuses to fighters before so I doubt the UFC was trying to be equitable. On the flip side regarding the whole UFC wants C-level kickboxing, I believe Marcus Davis and maybe one or two other guys have received SOTN AND FOTN before. So it's not like you can't get FOTN if you look to work the ground game. But I bet stand-up wars and KOs made up the majority of FOTN awards. It could be that they gave Riley/Gurgel FOTN because they wanted the distribution of bonuses to be more equitable this time. (Instead of having McLovin hog two $60,000 bonuses, the wealth is spread this way) However, the UFC gave two OTN bonuses to fighters before so I doubt the UFC was trying to be equitable.

On the flip side regarding the whole UFC wants C-level kickboxing, I believe Marcus Davis and maybe one or two other guys have received SOTN AND FOTN before. So it’s not like you can’t get FOTN if you look to work the ground game. But I bet stand-up wars and KOs made up the majority of FOTN awards.

]]> By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy) http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54756 Jeremy (not that Jeremy) Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:33:49 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54756 Luck? Don't you know that it was god. God works in mysterious ways, and always to reinforce my personal opinion directly. If it looks like he's opposed to me, then it's because he's working mysteriously again. Luck? Don’t you know that it was god. God works in mysterious ways, and always to reinforce my personal opinion directly. If it looks like he’s opposed to me, then it’s because he’s working mysteriously again.

]]> By: cyph http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54754 cyph Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:29:53 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54754 Yup, now the Lenar haters are turning his win into a "lucky punch." The MMA fanboy mentality never fails. Never mind that Lesnar has dominated every single opponent he's fought, including his loss to Mir. Logic be damned, because luck dominated the fights! Yup, now the Lenar haters are turning his win into a “lucky punch.” The MMA fanboy mentality never fails. Never mind that Lesnar has dominated every single opponent he’s fought, including his loss to Mir.

Logic be damned, because luck dominated the fights!

]]> By: Keishi http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54745 Keishi Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:19:49 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54745 Having watched this really built up my faith in the UFC. They did, on their first try, what PRIDE always wished it could do. Turn an incredibly popular pro wrestler into a champion. Doesn't that cement their legacy? Having watched this really built up my faith in the UFC.

They did, on their first try, what PRIDE always wished it could do. Turn an incredibly popular pro wrestler into a champion.

Doesn’t that cement their legacy?

]]> By: rainrider http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/11/16/about-the-discussion-of-brock-lesnar-and-the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-2/#comment-54740 rainrider Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:20:17 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/?p=2916#comment-54740 Couture VS Lesnar reminds me of nothing else but the old battle between Randleman VS Erikson. Bigger one got lucky with one lazy swing. The end of the story. Couture is too old to box and he cannot fight off his back. Like Chris Lytle said in his prediction, there was no way he could pull off a victory. Couture VS Lesnar reminds me of nothing else but the old battle between Randleman VS Erikson. Bigger one got lucky with one lazy swing. The end of the story.

Couture is too old to box and he cannot fight off his back. Like Chris Lytle said in his prediction, there was no way he could pull off a victory.

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