Comments on: UFC 91 (11/15 Las Vegas – Couture vs. Lesnar)

By: Big Bill Bob

Big Bill Bob — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:39:16 +0000

P.S. Ivan

I got you back, Zing. (Fitch Thread)

By: Big Bill Bob

Big Bill Bob — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:51 +0000

I’m sure the owner of this site would take appropriate measures to moderate or remove me from all discussions if I was such a troll, or having my “frivolous arguments” torn to shreds.

It’s simply a different point of view with varying opinions from your own, which is what internet bulletin board systems were built upon. Please ignore my future comments if you disagree and by all means I won’t be directing any future comments (nor had I previously) in your direction to hear your “superior acumen”.

By: DannyD

DannyD — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:09:45 +0000

I agree BBB is a sorry attempt at trolling, just dont get much of it on F.O. I see no reason to respond to or even attempt a debate. Must have joined the underground and got banned in in a day.

By: Ivan Trembow

Ivan Trembow — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:13:05 +0000

Big Bill Bob— Trolls are not necessarily meant to offend people. Trolls are meant to elicit a specifically intended response (in this case, prompting F.O. board members to easily knock down the straw man arguments that you intentionally set up for them). You’re pitching softballs and they’re swinging at them hard.

By: D.Capitated

D.Capitated — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:42:14 +0000

Affliction spends too much for their talent. Hence why they haven’t even announced a second card yet. They don’t know how to run an MMA organization.

It was announced as was the PPV distributor.

By: dave2

dave2 — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:44:16 +0000

I don’t like the fact that the talent is spread thin on UFC cards except for NYE events. But Zuffa does it because they can get away with it. Whatever they put out, they can always count on a dedicated 300k+ buying US PPVs and 200k+ buying UK PPVs. Dana has figured out how to make the brand bigger than the fighters and the sport and that’s why they can do this. There is absolutely no incentive for Zuffa to do what PRIDE did. PRIDE had only 10 events a year in total, which allowed them to stack their PPVs. Zuffa is spreading their talent across 12 PPVs, 1 free UFC, 5 UFNs and 2 TUF Finales. That is a lot. And keep in mind that PRIDE had their marquee names fight more often (partly because of tournaments). That’s why PRIDE was stacked and UFC isn’t except on NYE.

Ideally, as a fan, I’d like to see them cut down to 10 PPVs, have marquee names fight 3 times a year if injury-free and stack the cards. Free TV could have the left overs.

By: Big Bill Bob

Big Bill Bob — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:40:16 +0000

The second card is coming together quite nicely actually. And they are forced to put on a grand spectacle for their year end show, lets wait and see how the undercard for BJ vs GSP shapes up, then you can talk. And like I said, if you want the top persons in any field you have to pay more for them, something Affliction is trying and hopefully successfully working.

And how do you know how much Randy gets? All we know is the figures released, maybe thats why he was trying with every last morsel of effort to get released to make Affliction paydays, since thats guarenteed cash, and he deserves it.

By: 45 Huddle

45 Huddle — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:23:25 +0000

1. Guys like Couture get a portion of the PPV Buys

2. What message are we to send to Zuffa? To not put on cards with Griffin/Evans, Jackson/Silva, & Nogueira/Mir? They have no reason to put on loaded cards like this, but they still do. They get the sport and their fans.

3. Affliction spends too much for their talent. Hence why they haven’t even announced a second card yet. They don’t know how to run an MMA organization.

By: Big Bill Bob

Big Bill Bob — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:58:22 +0000

And I thought I should throw it out there for people that bitch and whine about Afflictions pay scale, how else does business work then? You offer top people comparable pay to their current, with hopes they will accept? Affliction is forced to curb pay to compete with UFC and make their product appealing to fighters. In many ways, I think their pay is alot more fair then UFC when you take into comparison that back in John L. Sullivans era of 1882-1992 he became the first American sports hero to become a national celebrity and the first American athlete to earn over 1 million dollars.

Now thats well over 100 years ago essentially right at the very start of boxing. So a man who originated with the sport was making substantial money, yet another who did the same (Randy) makes whatever his master scratchs off their chin.

By: Big Bill Bob

Big Bill Bob — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:35:21 +0000

My subjectivity is completely valid. These blogs and comment sections always become the same regurgitated rhetoric, important to have differing ideas.

It is completely unacceptable that all the blogs and MMA media are singing the praises of this last UFC event. This is sending a direct message that the quality of fighters they put on this card is fair for fifty dollars. That is not the case at all as this was chalked full of TUF faces that deserve to be on TUF cards.

Then we hear word about the 4.8 million gate plus the supposed 1.2 million PPV buys. I bet Randy is feeling even more like the victim now with his probable $250k baseline pay, considering Affliction is spending money like water. UFC will continue paying their marquee athletes chits and bits until they have no choice otherwise due to negotiation leverage.

UFC will continue beign exceptionally avarice henceforward only providing elite fighters stretched across multiple cards stuffed with undercard unknowns, thanks to all the goofy media and bloggers that continue to appalaud this subpar effort from them. (its because they generally dont have to pay to watch these events in the first place, especially with Yahoo offering online streaming now)

I guess UFC must see value in the boxing PPV model ever since they’ve started swimming hand over fist in cash, and will undoubtably continue to want that little extra taste more, and more, and more.

It’s almost like a grand dash for UFC credentials, commensing an Ultimate Ass Kissing competition to see who can earn them with the most blatently obvious shilling. Couple that with the many many naive UFC fanattics and you have yourself the perfect recipe for future lackluster matchups.

I’m sure if you asked 45 though, he’d tell you “Oh well, atleast it has the shiny lights and neat production, plus I get to hear Joe Rogan!”