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	<title>Comments on: Bad news for Elite XC &#8212; big media outlets focus on the Kimbo/Petruzelli stand-up scandal</title>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/10/08/bad-news-for-elite-xc-big-media-outlets-focus-on-the-kimbopetruzelli-stand-up-scandal/comment-page-1/#comment-53289</link>
		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/2/544049/on-fixes-bad-calls-and-kim

Same guy a couple days later basically reiterates that Miragliotta was reffing the fight for the purpose of Kimbo winning, though he now shifts the rationale.

None of this matters though.</description>
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<p>Same guy a couple days later basically reiterates that Miragliotta was reffing the fight for the purpose of Kimbo winning, though he now shifts the rationale.</p>
<p>None of this matters though.</p>
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		<title>By: ChairibOfJustice</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChairibOfJustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miragliotta is just another man&#039;s Larry Landless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miragliotta is just another man&#8217;s Larry Landless.</p>
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		<title>By: cyph</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That article referenced had this as the caption: 

&quot;Dan Miragliotta, when the fight absolutely, positively has to go your way.&quot;

Gee, I always thought that blog post was a tongue in cheek joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That article referenced had this as the caption: </p>
<p>&#8220;Dan Miragliotta, when the fight absolutely, positively has to go your way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gee, I always thought that blog post was a tongue in cheek joke.</p>
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		<title>By: ChairibOfJustice</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChairibOfJustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are &quot;talking heads&quot; offering opinions designed to provoke rather than inform.  Anywhere else, what these journalists do would be considered trolling or at least being overly dramatic.  

Michael Wilbon just trashed the fight and MMA on Pardon The Interruption.  He made it a point to say that it was a phantom punch that put Kimbo down and of course that the fight was fixed.  

I&#039;m not really sure and I don&#039;t think he was either about who was actually behind fixing the fight.  First he said that Kimbo took a dive and then soon after he said that others tried to fix the fight for Kimbo by getting Petruzelli to fight him.

Very shoddy editorializing going on but I guess it doesn&#039;t matter because he just seemed totally dismissive of the entire sport.  He&#039;s just trying make all kinds of accusations and hopes one actually sticks.  

Not surprised this kind of crap coming out of ESPN nowadays.  Sports journalism has become the home to the functionally retarded and incredibly lazy.  People are not capable of rational analysis or willing to do the work, so shoddy research forms the basis of dogmatic and closed minded preaching.  It&#039;s why Skip Bayless has a job. 

Saying there was a fix is just lazy journalism.  These same idiots can&#039;t make the &quot;human cockfighting&quot; argument anymore so insinuating there was a fix between two horribly untalented fighters isn&#039;t surprising.  They&#039;re not capable of any deeper analysis.  

People don&#039;t watch Chuck Liddell because they&#039;re hoping he&#039;ll throw an armbar on somebody.  They watch Chuck because he&#039;s going to throw strikes.  Part of being a fighter is to put on a show, it&#039;s been that way since the beginning of the sport.  

There isn&#039;t a single thing that happened in that fight that I haven&#039;t seen before.  And instead of discussing great fights that have occurred or are coming up, we&#039;re stuck letting the &quot;Shortbus Kids&quot; dominate and dumb down the level of discussion about MMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are &#8220;talking heads&#8221; offering opinions designed to provoke rather than inform.  Anywhere else, what these journalists do would be considered trolling or at least being overly dramatic.  </p>
<p>Michael Wilbon just trashed the fight and MMA on Pardon The Interruption.  He made it a point to say that it was a phantom punch that put Kimbo down and of course that the fight was fixed.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really sure and I don&#8217;t think he was either about who was actually behind fixing the fight.  First he said that Kimbo took a dive and then soon after he said that others tried to fix the fight for Kimbo by getting Petruzelli to fight him.</p>
<p>Very shoddy editorializing going on but I guess it doesn&#8217;t matter because he just seemed totally dismissive of the entire sport.  He&#8217;s just trying make all kinds of accusations and hopes one actually sticks.  </p>
<p>Not surprised this kind of crap coming out of ESPN nowadays.  Sports journalism has become the home to the functionally retarded and incredibly lazy.  People are not capable of rational analysis or willing to do the work, so shoddy research forms the basis of dogmatic and closed minded preaching.  It&#8217;s why Skip Bayless has a job. </p>
<p>Saying there was a fix is just lazy journalism.  These same idiots can&#8217;t make the &#8220;human cockfighting&#8221; argument anymore so insinuating there was a fix between two horribly untalented fighters isn&#8217;t surprising.  They&#8217;re not capable of any deeper analysis.  </p>
<p>People don&#8217;t watch Chuck Liddell because they&#8217;re hoping he&#8217;ll throw an armbar on somebody.  They watch Chuck because he&#8217;s going to throw strikes.  Part of being a fighter is to put on a show, it&#8217;s been that way since the beginning of the sport.  </p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a single thing that happened in that fight that I haven&#8217;t seen before.  And instead of discussing great fights that have occurred or are coming up, we&#8217;re stuck letting the &#8220;Shortbus Kids&#8221; dominate and dumb down the level of discussion about MMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimo Santa,

&quot;HOWEVER - in the UFC I can’t remember anyone (in recent memory) getting stood up from a side mount. So it FELT like the refs were instructed to make things more “exciting” by encouraging the stand-up.&quot;

Are you kidding me???  Cro Cop vs Gonzaga and Mir vs Brock Lesnar HAD HORRIBLE STANDUPS!!! Is that RECENT enough for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimo Santa,</p>
<p>&#8220;HOWEVER &#8211; in the UFC I can’t remember anyone (in recent memory) getting stood up from a side mount. So it FELT like the refs were instructed to make things more “exciting” by encouraging the stand-up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you kidding me???  Cro Cop vs Gonzaga and Mir vs Brock Lesnar HAD HORRIBLE STANDUPS!!! Is that RECENT enough for you?</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Name names of reputable MMA web sites that had writers coming out and specifically saying that James Thompson vs. Kimbo Slice was a work.&lt;/i&gt;

Like this one?:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/1/543425/the-fixer

There&#039;s a ton of reactionary stuff on pages 18 and 19 that look shockingly similar to the ones shown here with this new &quot;massive controversy&quot;; New York Times and USA Today raise their eyebrows! Jim Rome trashes the show!  Where have I heard this before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Name names of reputable MMA web sites that had writers coming out and specifically saying that James Thompson vs. Kimbo Slice was a work.</i></p>
<p>Like this one?:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/1/543425/the-fixer" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/1/543425/the-fixer</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a ton of reactionary stuff on pages 18 and 19 that look shockingly similar to the ones shown here with this new &#8220;massive controversy&#8221;; New York Times and USA Today raise their eyebrows! Jim Rome trashes the show!  Where have I heard this before?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that, retrospectively, how well Lesnar does going forward is going to legitimize or de-legitimize the opportunities that UFC is handing him now, but in general, the record is going to be kind toward UFC on this matter because the level of talent they&#039;ve been able to amass for their HW division at this particular point in time, and their commitments to specific headline fights even further weakened what is already MMA&#039;s kiddie pool in terms of divisional depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, retrospectively, how well Lesnar does going forward is going to legitimize or de-legitimize the opportunities that UFC is handing him now, but in general, the record is going to be kind toward UFC on this matter because the level of talent they&#8217;ve been able to amass for their HW division at this particular point in time, and their commitments to specific headline fights even further weakened what is already MMA&#8217;s kiddie pool in terms of divisional depth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a difference between BJM saying &quot;Let&#039;s get it on, come-on&quot; and him saying &quot;Let&#039;s get it on in the UFC Heavyweight Championship of the world brought to you by Mickey&#039;s Fine Malt Liquor: GET STUNG!&quot;

It&#039;s not the ref&#039;s job to pimp any brand, that&#039;s the ring announcer&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a difference between BJM saying &#8220;Let&#8217;s get it on, come-on&#8221; and him saying &#8220;Let&#8217;s get it on in the UFC Heavyweight Championship of the world brought to you by Mickey&#8217;s Fine Malt Liquor: GET STUNG!&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the ref&#8217;s job to pimp any brand, that&#8217;s the ring announcer&#8217;s job.</p>
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		<title>By: dave2</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the Brock Lesnar-UFC situation is not the same as the Kimbo Slice-EliteXC one. Like I said, Brock Lesnar beat Heath Herring and no one is going to argue that beating Heath doesn&#039;t earn you status as a legit fighter. It&#039;s a matter of degree. Pushing Brock Lesnar, who is 2-1, to this extent hurts the legitimacy of the sport in the long-term BUT pushing Kimbo Slice is A LOT worse. Zuffa is doing a better job of upholding the sport&#039;s respectably compared to ProElite though I think Zuffa can do a better job. 

Most successful professional sports (boxing especially but also team sports) are going to be Entertainment first, Sports second but the promotion needs to be sport-ish enough to not lose legitimacy with the mainstream. Obviously ProElite has went too far in the entertainment direction with Kimbo Slice as they are being mercilessly crucified after Kimbo Slice was exposed.

As for who should have had the title shot, I&#039;d say Fabricio Werdum is probably the most deserving UFC heavyweight for a title shot versus Randy Couture. Couture vs Werdum would probably draw even less than Couture vs Gonzaga but it reflects poorly on the sport when a man can leapfrog into a title shot just because he beat Heath Herring and has some WWE fame. (and I&#039;m saying this through a PR/business perspective, not a purist fan perspective. I don&#039;t see myself as a purist fan myself) Of course this isn&#039;t anywhere as bad as what ProElite has done with Kimbo Slice and the Shaws should be ashamed of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the Brock Lesnar-UFC situation is not the same as the Kimbo Slice-EliteXC one. Like I said, Brock Lesnar beat Heath Herring and no one is going to argue that beating Heath doesn&#8217;t earn you status as a legit fighter. It&#8217;s a matter of degree. Pushing Brock Lesnar, who is 2-1, to this extent hurts the legitimacy of the sport in the long-term BUT pushing Kimbo Slice is A LOT worse. Zuffa is doing a better job of upholding the sport&#8217;s respectably compared to ProElite though I think Zuffa can do a better job. </p>
<p>Most successful professional sports (boxing especially but also team sports) are going to be Entertainment first, Sports second but the promotion needs to be sport-ish enough to not lose legitimacy with the mainstream. Obviously ProElite has went too far in the entertainment direction with Kimbo Slice as they are being mercilessly crucified after Kimbo Slice was exposed.</p>
<p>As for who should have had the title shot, I&#8217;d say Fabricio Werdum is probably the most deserving UFC heavyweight for a title shot versus Randy Couture. Couture vs Werdum would probably draw even less than Couture vs Gonzaga but it reflects poorly on the sport when a man can leapfrog into a title shot just because he beat Heath Herring and has some WWE fame. (and I&#8217;m saying this through a PR/business perspective, not a purist fan perspective. I don&#8217;t see myself as a purist fan myself) Of course this isn&#8217;t anywhere as bad as what ProElite has done with Kimbo Slice and the Shaws should be ashamed of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brock Lesnar &gt; Kimbo Slice

&quot;And as it was pointed out on the Fight Opinion Radio show this week, when did it become the refs job to hype the fight during INSTRUCTIONS? “Hey, let’s make an exciting fight for all the fans! Now touch gloves!”&quot;

Refs making fights exciting is no different than big John saying &quot;Let&#039;s get it on , C&#039;mon&quot; with an assertive aggressive voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock Lesnar &gt; Kimbo Slice</p>
<p>&#8220;And as it was pointed out on the Fight Opinion Radio show this week, when did it become the refs job to hype the fight during INSTRUCTIONS? “Hey, let’s make an exciting fight for all the fans! Now touch gloves!”&#8221;</p>
<p>Refs making fights exciting is no different than big John saying &#8220;Let&#8217;s get it on , C&#8217;mon&#8221; with an assertive aggressive voice.</p>
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