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		<title>By: liger05</title>
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		<dc:creator>liger05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach in terms of Japan is it the case we may now see more amateur wrestlers in Japan go to pro-wrestling like they used to cos of the MMA boom being over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach in terms of Japan is it the case we may now see more amateur wrestlers in Japan go to pro-wrestling like they used to cos of the MMA boom being over?</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/08/27/a-lot-of-nervousness-right-now/comment-page-1/#comment-52166</link>
		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HDNet also hasn&#039;t run an MMA show on their own in 9 months (and the ones they did run looked to be in tandem with Art of War). They would like to have Randy as a contracted fighter, but it doesn&#039;t necessarily make them a promotion any more than having Oscar De La Hoya under contract makes HBO a promotion. They have been televising fight cards from the US, Canada, and Japan for all of 2008 and basically running off the model used by Fox Sports Net, ESPN, HBO, and Showtime. The comparison simply isn&#039;t apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HDNet also hasn&#8217;t run an MMA show on their own in 9 months (and the ones they did run looked to be in tandem with Art of War). They would like to have Randy as a contracted fighter, but it doesn&#8217;t necessarily make them a promotion any more than having Oscar De La Hoya under contract makes HBO a promotion. They have been televising fight cards from the US, Canada, and Japan for all of 2008 and basically running off the model used by Fox Sports Net, ESPN, HBO, and Showtime. The comparison simply isn&#8217;t apt.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach, this more or less got me to offer a form of rebuttal to you on the Total MMA main page.

I think we have seen a lot of bad business decisions and business practices, and luckily enough, they have been public companies, so we get to read their SEC Filings to see how bad their mistakes are. There are people who know how to make money with MMA, and those that study IFL and EXC&#039;s shortcomings will only be able to learn and promote smarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach, this more or less got me to offer a form of rebuttal to you on the Total MMA main page.</p>
<p>I think we have seen a lot of bad business decisions and business practices, and luckily enough, they have been public companies, so we get to read their SEC Filings to see how bad their mistakes are. There are people who know how to make money with MMA, and those that study IFL and EXC&#8217;s shortcomings will only be able to learn and promote smarter.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HDNet fights put together fights like Trigg vs. DeWees (both ex-UFC guys). Cuban showcased Pete Spratt. Cuban also had his nose up Randy&#039;s ass and would have paid him a fortune if Randy had been able to get out of his UFC contract.

It&#039;s true enough that Cuban is positioning HDNet fights as a medium for broadcasting other promotions, so he&#039;s making it a broad, diversified operation.  However, as far as the actual MMA we&#039;ve seen from them goes, HDNet Fights is still cutting corners and trying to coast on ex-UFC big names, rather than trying to legitimize their brand as a viable MMA promotion. They cannot succeed as an MMA promotion that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HDNet fights put together fights like Trigg vs. DeWees (both ex-UFC guys). Cuban showcased Pete Spratt. Cuban also had his nose up Randy&#8217;s ass and would have paid him a fortune if Randy had been able to get out of his UFC contract.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true enough that Cuban is positioning HDNet fights as a medium for broadcasting other promotions, so he&#8217;s making it a broad, diversified operation.  However, as far as the actual MMA we&#8217;ve seen from them goes, HDNet Fights is still cutting corners and trying to coast on ex-UFC big names, rather than trying to legitimize their brand as a viable MMA promotion. They cannot succeed as an MMA promotion that way.</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/08/27/a-lot-of-nervousness-right-now/comment-page-1/#comment-52163</link>
		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HDNet Fights is a totally different business model than the UFC, IFL, etc. They&#039;re likely to stay in business for a long, long time. I mean, it starts with the fact that they are not a promotion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HDNet Fights is a totally different business model than the UFC, IFL, etc. They&#8217;re likely to stay in business for a long, long time. I mean, it starts with the fact that they are not a promotion.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that every single MMA promotion which has gone out of business deserved to go out of business.  I&#039;ll exclude PRIDE from that statement somewhat, because at least PRIDE put on a very good series of cards even though they had bad management and problems with the yakuza in Japan.

The mistake that most MMA promotions are making (especially the American ones) is to try to compete with the UFC right off the bat by grabbing big names; paying them exorbitant salaries; and trying to steal the UFC&#039;s thunder from the get-go.  Very few promotions are paying attention to how the UFC actually became successful---i.e. developing strong up-and-coming fighters and paying them very modestly while building the brand itself.  It&#039;s not a &quot;popular&quot; formula; but it works.  According to the Zuffa model, it takes about 5 years and 30 - 40 million dollars to build a first-rate, international MMA promotion.  And that 30 - 40 million has to be spent mostly on the brand.  The UFC branded the Octagon, &quot;as real as it gets&quot;, the TUF show, etc.  That&#039;s really the way to do it. All the fan-based idiocy about paying fighters more money is meaningless if promotions themselves can&#039;t stay in business. 

Most of these failed promotions are into grabbing ex-UFC fighters (who washed out of the UFC) and well-known B-level fighters and paying them huge salaries, hoping their handful of famous fighters will carry the promotion through.  That model won&#039;t give a promotion enough durability to compete long-term.  We saw the WFA go down.  And then Bodog.  Then the IFL.  And now, EliteXC is against the ropes.  It&#039;s doubtful that Affliction or HDNet fights will last either, because they are cutting the same corners and trying to gimmick their way to instant success through ex-UFC talent.

You have to build the brand first.  Spend the money on that and develop talented, hungry fighters who aren&#039;t demanding $2 - 6 million a fight. Uninformed nuthuggers will scream about fighters making $10,000 a fight, but that&#039;s really they way to build a survivable brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that every single MMA promotion which has gone out of business deserved to go out of business.  I&#8217;ll exclude PRIDE from that statement somewhat, because at least PRIDE put on a very good series of cards even though they had bad management and problems with the yakuza in Japan.</p>
<p>The mistake that most MMA promotions are making (especially the American ones) is to try to compete with the UFC right off the bat by grabbing big names; paying them exorbitant salaries; and trying to steal the UFC&#8217;s thunder from the get-go.  Very few promotions are paying attention to how the UFC actually became successful&#8212;i.e. developing strong up-and-coming fighters and paying them very modestly while building the brand itself.  It&#8217;s not a &#8220;popular&#8221; formula; but it works.  According to the Zuffa model, it takes about 5 years and 30 &#8211; 40 million dollars to build a first-rate, international MMA promotion.  And that 30 &#8211; 40 million has to be spent mostly on the brand.  The UFC branded the Octagon, &#8220;as real as it gets&#8221;, the TUF show, etc.  That&#8217;s really the way to do it. All the fan-based idiocy about paying fighters more money is meaningless if promotions themselves can&#8217;t stay in business. </p>
<p>Most of these failed promotions are into grabbing ex-UFC fighters (who washed out of the UFC) and well-known B-level fighters and paying them huge salaries, hoping their handful of famous fighters will carry the promotion through.  That model won&#8217;t give a promotion enough durability to compete long-term.  We saw the WFA go down.  And then Bodog.  Then the IFL.  And now, EliteXC is against the ropes.  It&#8217;s doubtful that Affliction or HDNet fights will last either, because they are cutting the same corners and trying to gimmick their way to instant success through ex-UFC talent.</p>
<p>You have to build the brand first.  Spend the money on that and develop talented, hungry fighters who aren&#8217;t demanding $2 &#8211; 6 million a fight. Uninformed nuthuggers will scream about fighters making $10,000 a fight, but that&#8217;s really they way to build a survivable brand.</p>
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		<title>By: cyph</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The heavyweight division has always been pretty crummy. Pride created an illusion of super heavyweights because they had their top heavyweights fight cans to build their aura up. In Pride, heavyweights fighting middleweights and 0-0 or 1-0 newbies were a normal occurrence. Pawel Nastula, we hardly knew ya.

Most fans still look at the Pride heavyweights as the best in the world because the division was so thin, and Pride manufactured their own supermen by feeding their fighters cans. 

I expect some of the new prospects from the UFC will dominate for some time because they are natural athletes with a solid base. They are well rounded with the exception of Lesnar. It&#039;s no accident that Cro Cop, a Pride open weight champion, were dominated when fed top competition. Fans need to see through the illusion. Stars were made in Pride, and heavyweights were the weakest division but manufactured to look like the best.

Affliction has taken the weakest division in all of MMA and made it their centerpiece. They overpaid fighters who they thought they could build their promotion around. They were wrong. I think Affliction were too much of a Pride fanboy to recognize that heavyweights from Pride were smokes and mirrors. I can&#039;t blame them, even Dana White fell for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The heavyweight division has always been pretty crummy. Pride created an illusion of super heavyweights because they had their top heavyweights fight cans to build their aura up. In Pride, heavyweights fighting middleweights and 0-0 or 1-0 newbies were a normal occurrence. Pawel Nastula, we hardly knew ya.</p>
<p>Most fans still look at the Pride heavyweights as the best in the world because the division was so thin, and Pride manufactured their own supermen by feeding their fighters cans. </p>
<p>I expect some of the new prospects from the UFC will dominate for some time because they are natural athletes with a solid base. They are well rounded with the exception of Lesnar. It&#8217;s no accident that Cro Cop, a Pride open weight champion, were dominated when fed top competition. Fans need to see through the illusion. Stars were made in Pride, and heavyweights were the weakest division but manufactured to look like the best.</p>
<p>Affliction has taken the weakest division in all of MMA and made it their centerpiece. They overpaid fighters who they thought they could build their promotion around. They were wrong. I think Affliction were too much of a Pride fanboy to recognize that heavyweights from Pride were smokes and mirrors. I can&#8217;t blame them, even Dana White fell for it.</p>
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		<title>By: 45 Huddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>45 Huddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It feels like Affliction has lost all steam that came out of their first show.  Their second show has a lot of avergae fights, and Arlovski/Barnett alone can&#039;t sell the PPV.

I don&#039;t think we will see the UFC become spread too thin.  By 2008, they will have 11 Current or past World Champions, 12 TUF Champions, and a host of supporting fighters like Brock Lesnar, Josh Koscheck, and Wanderlei Silva.  There is more then enough talent to put on 24 cards in a year.  And I have a strong feeling that only half of those shows (one per month), will be on PPV.

The big question is what happens to the Heavyweight Division when Japan is half collapsed and Affliction is done.  A lot of their Heavyweights will have to take a paycut in order to fight for the UFC.  Will they really want to do that?  I doubt it, which means the Heavyweight Division will nearly be dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It feels like Affliction has lost all steam that came out of their first show.  Their second show has a lot of avergae fights, and Arlovski/Barnett alone can&#8217;t sell the PPV.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we will see the UFC become spread too thin.  By 2008, they will have 11 Current or past World Champions, 12 TUF Champions, and a host of supporting fighters like Brock Lesnar, Josh Koscheck, and Wanderlei Silva.  There is more then enough talent to put on 24 cards in a year.  And I have a strong feeling that only half of those shows (one per month), will be on PPV.</p>
<p>The big question is what happens to the Heavyweight Division when Japan is half collapsed and Affliction is done.  A lot of their Heavyweights will have to take a paycut in order to fight for the UFC.  Will they really want to do that?  I doubt it, which means the Heavyweight Division will nearly be dead.</p>
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		<title>By: MJC_123</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJC_123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>f course CBS in October will draw massive ratings, free, glossy MMA, featuring Kimbo Slice vs WWE legend Ken Shamrock.

But if you make it customary that \&quot;freak show\&quot; MMA is the answer, then surely that becomes the only way of survival. So we start bringing in all sorts of Monster\&#039;s, granted Pride used to do this but at least they had a talent pool.

The big worry is Affliction, if they didn\&#039;t have already created hero\&#039;s such as Barnett, Arlovski and the cash-consuming Fedor....what would they be promoting?

Elite XC will survive, the mainstream T.V demands, blood, freaks, fighting and women (Gina).....but if Affliction goes under thats the worry....

I predict in a years time.

Dream has consumed Sengoku
Only one big player in Japan.

Affliction is vague on its commitment, long term...no events planned.

Elite XC survives on maybe even a more regular basis, but CBS demands squash matches, WWE style programming, blood etc.

The UFC survive but we are on 2 PPV\&#039;s a month, and the talent is spread thinly between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>f course CBS in October will draw massive ratings, free, glossy MMA, featuring Kimbo Slice vs WWE legend Ken Shamrock.</p>
<p>But if you make it customary that \&#8221;freak show\&#8221; MMA is the answer, then surely that becomes the only way of survival. So we start bringing in all sorts of Monster\&#8217;s, granted Pride used to do this but at least they had a talent pool.</p>
<p>The big worry is Affliction, if they didn\&#8217;t have already created hero\&#8217;s such as Barnett, Arlovski and the cash-consuming Fedor&#8230;.what would they be promoting?</p>
<p>Elite XC will survive, the mainstream T.V demands, blood, freaks, fighting and women (Gina)&#8230;..but if Affliction goes under thats the worry&#8230;.</p>
<p>I predict in a years time.</p>
<p>Dream has consumed Sengoku<br />
Only one big player in Japan.</p>
<p>Affliction is vague on its commitment, long term&#8230;no events planned.</p>
<p>Elite XC survives on maybe even a more regular basis, but CBS demands squash matches, WWE style programming, blood etc.</p>
<p>The UFC survive but we are on 2 PPV\&#8217;s a month, and the talent is spread thinly between them.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next big step for MMA is the mainstream media actually educating themselves on the history of the sport and demanding the best to fight the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next big step for MMA is the mainstream media actually educating themselves on the history of the sport and demanding the best to fight the best.</p>
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