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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t supposedly do drugs, kids &#8211; James Irvin &amp; Justin Levens edition</title>
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		<title>By: spacedog</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/29/dont-supposedly-do-drugs-kids-james-irvin-justin-levens-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-51494</link>
		<dc:creator>spacedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a opiate abuser. One thing that you cold do when high was work out. I actually would get a sort of energy rush and you did not feel the pain of training. To be sure I was never that serious about training,, but I did notice it being useful (on balance totaly not useful but in the moment) to work out high. I also knew a semi pro boxer who did the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a opiate abuser. One thing that you cold do when high was work out. I actually would get a sort of energy rush and you did not feel the pain of training. To be sure I was never that serious about training,, but I did notice it being useful (on balance totaly not useful but in the moment) to work out high. I also knew a semi pro boxer who did the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I contend that i was easier to compete in the sport back then without the use of harmful drugs or procedures. I knew an early fighter who used steroid, but only because the lighter weight classes were just beginning to take shape and he had to compete at HW.&lt;/i&gt;

The number of active fighters was in the double digits too. I&#039;m not sure that it was healthier for the combatants for the Fred Ettishes of the world to be in a cage fight with no rules against kickboxers and grapplers in a scenario where stoppages seemed to take forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I contend that i was easier to compete in the sport back then without the use of harmful drugs or procedures. I knew an early fighter who used steroid, but only because the lighter weight classes were just beginning to take shape and he had to compete at HW.</i></p>
<p>The number of active fighters was in the double digits too. I&#8217;m not sure that it was healthier for the combatants for the Fred Ettishes of the world to be in a cage fight with no rules against kickboxers and grapplers in a scenario where stoppages seemed to take forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Croatian Strength</title>
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		<dc:creator>Croatian Strength</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the UFC are going to look after him for not pulling out and ruining their spoiler show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the UFC are going to look after him for not pulling out and ruining their spoiler show.</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo the Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/29/dont-supposedly-do-drugs-kids-james-irvin-justin-levens-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-51481</link>
		<dc:creator>Rollo the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D. Capitated,

I contend that i was easier to compete in the sport back then without the use of harmful drugs or procedures.  I knew an early fighter who used steroid, but only because the lighter weight classes were just beginning to take shape and he had to compete at HW.

&quot;’m a bit confused…this pressure exists in every professional (and many amateur) sports.&quot;

Yes.  And now it exists in MMA.  Big time, spectator sports are not a healthy pursuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. Capitated,</p>
<p>I contend that i was easier to compete in the sport back then without the use of harmful drugs or procedures.  I knew an early fighter who used steroid, but only because the lighter weight classes were just beginning to take shape and he had to compete at HW.</p>
<p>&#8220;’m a bit confused…this pressure exists in every professional (and many amateur) sports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  And now it exists in MMA.  Big time, spectator sports are not a healthy pursuit.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/29/dont-supposedly-do-drugs-kids-james-irvin-justin-levens-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-51480</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit confused...this pressure exists in every professional (and many amateur) sports. 

The need to be ready and able at any and all times exists in many other occupations - doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, construction workers, truckers etc.  In short, while it&#039;s obviously a more prevalent and troubling issue in sports, it&#039;s probably pretty reflective of societal pressures to keep the pedal to the metal and &quot;get results&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit confused&#8230;this pressure exists in every professional (and many amateur) sports. </p>
<p>The need to be ready and able at any and all times exists in many other occupations &#8211; doctors, lawyers, investment bankers, construction workers, truckers etc.  In short, while it&#8217;s obviously a more prevalent and troubling issue in sports, it&#8217;s probably pretty reflective of societal pressures to keep the pedal to the metal and &#8220;get results&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/29/dont-supposedly-do-drugs-kids-james-irvin-justin-levens-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-51479</link>
		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Its like eating a candy bar in Brazil. But not here.&lt;/i&gt;

I am particularly fond of the idea that athletes like amateur wrestlers were unaware as to the effects of anabolic agents, much less never used them. Looking at the list of early stars, how many of them were likely/admitted users of anabolic steroids or painkillers? Kerr? Coleman? Ken Shamrock? Kimo? Don Frye? Even Royce got popped later on. The difference between regulation and no regulation is that you can&#039;t get any positives when you don&#039;t test. 

&lt;i&gt;They are trying to make a living from this rather than doing martial arts because they love it. This is what happens.&lt;/i&gt;

They do it because it pays money and being an instructor at some local karate McDojo is something they are both woefully unprepared to do and something that pays a whole hell of a lot less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Its like eating a candy bar in Brazil. But not here.</i></p>
<p>I am particularly fond of the idea that athletes like amateur wrestlers were unaware as to the effects of anabolic agents, much less never used them. Looking at the list of early stars, how many of them were likely/admitted users of anabolic steroids or painkillers? Kerr? Coleman? Ken Shamrock? Kimo? Don Frye? Even Royce got popped later on. The difference between regulation and no regulation is that you can&#8217;t get any positives when you don&#8217;t test. </p>
<p><i>They are trying to make a living from this rather than doing martial arts because they love it. This is what happens.</i></p>
<p>They do it because it pays money and being an instructor at some local karate McDojo is something they are both woefully unprepared to do and something that pays a whole hell of a lot less.</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo the Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rollo the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rollo, how long do you think it took roided up guys to enter MMA? Really, how long? Are you telling me you believe no one in Brazilian vale tudo was doing them? How about Mark Coleman? Or Ken Shamrock?&quot;

Its like eating a candy bar in Brazil.  But not here. 

Fighters are pressured, by the nature of the sport itself, to be ready to compete at a certain time and date.  They are pressured to get surgeries, take pain killers, cortisone, whatever, to insure they can fight.  They are trying to make a living from this rather than doing martial arts because they love it.  This is what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rollo, how long do you think it took roided up guys to enter MMA? Really, how long? Are you telling me you believe no one in Brazilian vale tudo was doing them? How about Mark Coleman? Or Ken Shamrock?&#8221;</p>
<p>Its like eating a candy bar in Brazil.  But not here. </p>
<p>Fighters are pressured, by the nature of the sport itself, to be ready to compete at a certain time and date.  They are pressured to get surgeries, take pain killers, cortisone, whatever, to insure they can fight.  They are trying to make a living from this rather than doing martial arts because they love it.  This is what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/29/dont-supposedly-do-drugs-kids-james-irvin-justin-levens-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-51477</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See: Kerr, Mark.

Case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See: Kerr, Mark.</p>
<p>Case closed.</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rollo, how long do you think it took roided up guys to enter MMA? Really, how long? Are you telling me you believe no one in Brazilian vale tudo was doing them? How about Mark Coleman? Or Ken Shamrock?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rollo, how long do you think it took roided up guys to enter MMA? Really, how long? Are you telling me you believe no one in Brazilian vale tudo was doing them? How about Mark Coleman? Or Ken Shamrock?</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo the Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rollo the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this easy to see coming.  The painkillers, cortisone abuse, steroids and all the rest.  When you saw the sport become a so-called real sport, regulated by the commissions, modeled after boxing, promoting fighters not styles, then you had to know this was where it was going to lead.  

To many people, it seems counterintuitive that all these &quot;improvements&#039; to the sport would make it more dangerous to the athlete&#039;s health, but it has.  

Why did James Irvin feel the need to use painkillers?  Why did Marcus Davis get two cortisone shots in his shoulder hours before his fight with Swick?  Why do athletes feel pressured to use steroids?  Would these conditions exist if the UFC had stayed in the &quot;dark ages&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this easy to see coming.  The painkillers, cortisone abuse, steroids and all the rest.  When you saw the sport become a so-called real sport, regulated by the commissions, modeled after boxing, promoting fighters not styles, then you had to know this was where it was going to lead.  </p>
<p>To many people, it seems counterintuitive that all these &#8220;improvements&#8217; to the sport would make it more dangerous to the athlete&#8217;s health, but it has.  </p>
<p>Why did James Irvin feel the need to use painkillers?  Why did Marcus Davis get two cortisone shots in his shoulder hours before his fight with Swick?  Why do athletes feel pressured to use steroids?  Would these conditions exist if the UFC had stayed in the &#8220;dark ages&#8221;?</p>
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