Comments on: How the media covered Affliction: Banned http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:47:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ivan Trembow http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51256 Ivan Trembow Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:59:42 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51256 D. Capitated--- The answer to your question can be found in a Lorenzo Fertitta interview with Kevin Iole from last December. He stopped just short of saying that they can put whatever they want in the main event and still have a good buyrate guaranteed by the UFC brand name. D. Capitated— The answer to your question can be found in a Lorenzo Fertitta interview with Kevin Iole from last December. He stopped just short of saying that they can put whatever they want in the main event and still have a good buyrate guaranteed by the UFC brand name.

]]> By: Brandt http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51248 Brandt Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:57:35 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51248 Regarding using the UFC name to sell PPV's, it will work for the casual fans and the hardcores with $ to spend. I'm not paying $54.95 to see this PPV. I'm driving to the nearest bar to pay a $5 cover and buy two beers and some fries. Regarding using the UFC name to sell PPV’s, it will work for the casual fans and the hardcores with $ to spend. I’m not paying $54.95 to see this PPV. I’m driving to the nearest bar to pay a $5 cover and buy two beers and some fries.

]]> By: Ivan Trembow http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51247 Ivan Trembow Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:39:12 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51247 Mark--- I should have clarified that I meant the MMA media (ie, not print publications). If they haven't yet, give it time. They will. At the very latest, wait until the next time either one of those two fighters compete and see how the context of the debate is framed. Also, some of the talking points that I mentioned have already been parroted. Not the talking points from that same night, when there was no choice but to make a small concession in order to maintain any semblance of credibility, but the talking points from all the previous PR spin sessions. Just the fact that the context of the debate coming out of Saturday night was largely, "Yeah, but is Fedor better than Anderson" says a lot about the success of the previous PR campaigns. Mark— I should have clarified that I meant the MMA media (ie, not print publications). If they haven’t yet, give it time. They will. At the very latest, wait until the next time either one of those two fighters compete and see how the context of the debate is framed.

Also, some of the talking points that I mentioned have already been parroted. Not the talking points from that same night, when there was no choice but to make a small concession in order to maintain any semblance of credibility, but the talking points from all the previous PR spin sessions. Just the fact that the context of the debate coming out of Saturday night was largely, “Yeah, but is Fedor better than Anderson” says a lot about the success of the previous PR campaigns.

]]> By: D. Capitated http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51241 D. Capitated Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:16:40 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51241 Why is everyone assuming that people will pay $45 for Noguiera/Mir? Seriously. I wouldn't even be shocked to find out the finale ends up on Spike, a la Penn/Pulver II. The UFC has done some really less than great fights and ends up hitting at a bottom of around 325,000 for US events and 200,000 for European events. Why is everyone assuming that people will pay $45 for Noguiera/Mir? Seriously. I wouldn’t even be shocked to find out the finale ends up on Spike, a la Penn/Pulver II. The UFC has done some really less than great fights and ends up hitting at a bottom of around 325,000 for US events and 200,000 for European events.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51239 Leslie Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:11:43 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51239 "That people will pay $50 to see ridiculous fights like Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans and Frank Mir vs. Nogueira just because they’re inside UFC’s famed octagon" I think Jardine vs Liddell is the most absurd example. Why pay millions to sign Fedor when you can get guys like Jardine to headline PPVs for $10K? There's a million guys with shaved heads and tribal tattoos and if they can put on a couple of highlights and Joe Rogan calls them "dangerous" enough times you have a UFC Star on your hands, and you can pay them whatever you want. “That people will pay $50 to see ridiculous fights like Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans and Frank Mir vs. Nogueira just because they’re inside UFC’s famed octagon”

I think Jardine vs Liddell is the most absurd example. Why pay millions to sign Fedor when you can get guys like Jardine to headline PPVs for $10K? There’s a million guys with shaved heads and tribal tattoos and if they can put on a couple of highlights and Joe Rogan calls them “dangerous” enough times you have a UFC Star on your hands, and you can pay them whatever you want.

]]> By: Ultimo Santa http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51237 Ultimo Santa Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:19:08 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51237 "I fail to see why either side should be blamed. They could not agree to terms." Pride, Affliction, and other organizations all found a way to sign Fedor, and deal with him. UFC, the biggest and the best, was unable to get him, and worst of all I don't think they care. Why? Because they believe that the UFC name, NOT the fighters, sell PPVs. That people will pay $50 to see ridiculous fights like Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans and Frank Mir vs. Nogueira just because they're inside UFC's famed octagon. And unfortunately, for the most part, they're right. “I fail to see why either side should be blamed. They could not agree to terms.”

Pride, Affliction, and other organizations all found a way to sign Fedor, and deal with him.

UFC, the biggest and the best, was unable to get him, and worst of all I don’t think they care.

Why?

Because they believe that the UFC name, NOT the fighters, sell PPVs. That people will pay $50 to see ridiculous fights like Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans and Frank Mir vs. Nogueira just because they’re inside UFC’s famed octagon.

And unfortunately, for the most part, they’re right.

]]> By: D. Capitated http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51232 D. Capitated Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:17:32 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51232 <i>Wandy/Rampage III Wandy/Hendo III</i> These are great fights for hardcore fans, but I don't know that they are "megafights". They're headliners while everyone else is busy. Also, they better hope Carwin and Velazquez become stars and quick. The heavyweights in UFC suck. Its just gonna be a shame when someone like Carwin gets thrown in over his head given the dearth of talent to prep against. Wandy/Rampage III
Wandy/Hendo III

These are great fights for hardcore fans, but I don’t know that they are “megafights”. They’re headliners while everyone else is busy.

Also, they better hope Carwin and Velazquez become stars and quick. The heavyweights in UFC suck. Its just gonna be a shame when someone like Carwin gets thrown in over his head given the dearth of talent to prep against.

]]> By: fruhzs http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51229 fruhzs Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:41:28 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51229 Jeremy, It's actually Wand x Hendo III Jeremy,

It’s actually Wand x Hendo III

]]> By: Mark http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51228 Mark Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:14:18 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51228 <i>A lot of the coverage after last night’s events are a typical example of that last point. Much of the Affliction coverage, instead of essentially saying, “Wow, that was impressive,” or, “This removes any doubt that there may have been about Fedor being the #1 heavyweight in the world” instead said things like (paraphrasing), “Wow, that was impressive… but is Fedor better than Anderson Silva?” … as if that is even a relevant issue, as if that has anything to do with how great of a fighter Fedor is and how great of a fighter Anderson is… as if that was even something that anybody ever talked about before it was very deliberately (and very successfully) put on the agenda as a question that needed to be answered (and then was answered with exactly the answer that you’d expect) in the months after the Zuffa-Fedor negotiations broke down. The PR job here has been masterful not only in affecting media opinion but also in changing what the conversation is about in the first place.</i> Despite the volume of words used here, you still avoided the point ... you essentially said the mainstream media would mouth Dana's talking points, and they've done the exact opposite. A lot of the coverage after last night’s events are a typical example of that last point. Much of the Affliction coverage, instead of essentially saying, “Wow, that was impressive,” or, “This removes any doubt that there may have been about Fedor being the #1 heavyweight in the world” instead said things like (paraphrasing), “Wow, that was impressive… but is Fedor better than Anderson Silva?” … as if that is even a relevant issue, as if that has anything to do with how great of a fighter Fedor is and how great of a fighter Anderson is… as if that was even something that anybody ever talked about before it was very deliberately (and very successfully) put on the agenda as a question that needed to be answered (and then was answered with exactly the answer that you’d expect) in the months after the Zuffa-Fedor negotiations broke down. The PR job here has been masterful not only in affecting media opinion but also in changing what the conversation is about in the first place.

Despite the volume of words used here, you still avoided the point … you essentially said the mainstream media would mouth Dana’s talking points, and they’ve done the exact opposite.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/comment-page-1/#comment-51227 Jeremy Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:43:46 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/07/20/how-the-media-covered-affliction-banned/#comment-51227 Ultimo Santo: Chuck/Forrest Wandy/Forrest Wandy/Chuck II Wandy/Rampage III Rampage/Forrest II Wandy/Hendo II If Thiago Silva were to beat Machida, toss him into that mix. GSP/Penn GSP/A.Silva: Book the Olympic stadium in Canada and hold this bout...there will be 30K+ on hand. Hughes/Serra...is there anyone that does not want to see that? As far as HW goes, the UFC has little to offer until Carwin and Cain become established. Those two will likely be superstars by the end of 09. Affliction has some very nice match-ups with Barnett, AA, Fedor and maybe Couture. Until the legal stuff is figured out, Couture should not enter into any discussions. Personally, I am hoping Tito signs. I would love to see Babalu take him apart...Lil Nog also. Jason Miller would also be a nice addition. Lindland/Miller would be a good match-up. I think Miller would destroy Lindland, but it is a good match-up. As far as Fedor being the best of all-time, of all weights, it is not as though we have heard "Virtually every top fighter in the world" Have some said it? Sure, but hardly all. Right now, there are plenty of guys that are saying the same of Anderson as well. Both guys are superstars and deserve respect and credit. Both are amazing fighters and resepectful, class acts. Fedor and the UFC could not make a deal...so be it. I fail to see why either side should be blamed. They could not agree to terms. Ultimo Santo:
Chuck/Forrest
Wandy/Forrest
Wandy/Chuck II
Wandy/Rampage III
Rampage/Forrest II
Wandy/Hendo II

If Thiago Silva were to beat Machida, toss him into that mix.

GSP/Penn
GSP/A.Silva: Book the Olympic stadium in Canada and hold this bout…there will be 30K+ on hand.
Hughes/Serra…is there anyone that does not want to see that?

As far as HW goes, the UFC has little to offer until Carwin and Cain become established. Those two will likely be superstars by the end of 09.

Affliction has some very nice match-ups with Barnett, AA, Fedor and maybe Couture. Until the legal stuff is figured out, Couture should not enter into any discussions.

Personally, I am hoping Tito signs. I would love to see Babalu take him apart…Lil Nog also.

Jason Miller would also be a nice addition. Lindland/Miller would be a good match-up. I think Miller would destroy Lindland, but it is a good match-up.

As far as Fedor being the best of all-time, of all weights, it is not as though we have heard “Virtually every top fighter in the world”

Have some said it? Sure, but hardly all. Right now, there are plenty of guys that are saying the same of Anderson as well.

Both guys are superstars and deserve respect and credit. Both are amazing fighters and resepectful, class acts.

Fedor and the UFC could not make a deal…so be it.

I fail to see why either side should be blamed. They could not agree to terms.

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