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	<title>Comments on: Does the media really believe in both Griffin and Lytle winning at UFC 86?</title>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, I wasn’t there. However, Koppenhaver pleaded guilty to felony assault for beating and choking a man, a beating which occurred both before and after he knocked the man unconscious, and which fractured the man’s eye sockets in four places.&lt;/i&gt;

He&#039;s since followed that up with talk about how he wants to move to the Phillippines so that he can beat the hell out of anyone that looks at him funny and die in a knife fight at an early age. That War Machine fellow certainly is a good representative for MMA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, I wasn’t there. However, Koppenhaver pleaded guilty to felony assault for beating and choking a man, a beating which occurred both before and after he knocked the man unconscious, and which fractured the man’s eye sockets in four places.</i></p>
<p>He&#8217;s since followed that up with talk about how he wants to move to the Phillippines so that he can beat the hell out of anyone that looks at him funny and die in a knife fight at an early age. That War Machine fellow certainly is a good representative for MMA!</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Trembow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Trembow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy--- Leben &quot;told&quot; UFC management only after they found out from elsewhere and basically asked him, &quot;Is it true that you have an oustanding warrant in Oregon?&quot;  At that point, he said &quot;yes&quot; after failing to disclose it to them previously, and this was barely a month before a scheduled PPV main event.  That is how it was reported in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter at the time.

Also, people generally don&#039;t &quot;clean up their life&quot; by violating the terms of their probation instead of completing what they were sentenced to complete.  He is lucky to have not been given a jail sentence in the first place for that DUI arrest; the least he could have done is complied with the things that the judge ordered him to do in lieu of jail time.

As for what Leben has done since then to clean up his life, I have no first-hand knowledge of that myself, so I&#039;ll take your word that he has worked to clean up his life in the past few years and I&#039;ll hope that he continues to do so in future years.  It&#039;s just that he could have said when he was booked for a U.K. PPV main event, &quot;By the way, I have an outstanding warrant in Oregon and might not be allowed into the U.K.&quot; rather than failing to do so until management confronted him about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy&#8212; Leben &#8220;told&#8221; UFC management only after they found out from elsewhere and basically asked him, &#8220;Is it true that you have an oustanding warrant in Oregon?&#8221;  At that point, he said &#8220;yes&#8221; after failing to disclose it to them previously, and this was barely a month before a scheduled PPV main event.  That is how it was reported in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter at the time.</p>
<p>Also, people generally don&#8217;t &#8220;clean up their life&#8221; by violating the terms of their probation instead of completing what they were sentenced to complete.  He is lucky to have not been given a jail sentence in the first place for that DUI arrest; the least he could have done is complied with the things that the judge ordered him to do in lieu of jail time.</p>
<p>As for what Leben has done since then to clean up his life, I have no first-hand knowledge of that myself, so I&#8217;ll take your word that he has worked to clean up his life in the past few years and I&#8217;ll hope that he continues to do so in future years.  It&#8217;s just that he could have said when he was booked for a U.K. PPV main event, &#8220;By the way, I have an outstanding warrant in Oregon and might not be allowed into the U.K.&#8221; rather than failing to do so until management confronted him about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Leben: It is notwhere near that simple.

Leben left Oregon to clean up his life, but was unable to transfer his probation to the Islands.

He did tell the UFC and headed back, his own choice, to deal with the consequences. Long before he went back, he had cleaned himself up and gotten his priorities straight.

I know nothing about the War Machine incident, but Leben has consistantly worked to improve his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Leben: It is notwhere near that simple.</p>
<p>Leben left Oregon to clean up his life, but was unable to transfer his probation to the Islands.</p>
<p>He did tell the UFC and headed back, his own choice, to deal with the consequences. Long before he went back, he had cleaned himself up and gotten his priorities straight.</p>
<p>I know nothing about the War Machine incident, but Leben has consistantly worked to improve his life.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Trembow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Trembow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I wasn&#039;t there.  However, Koppenhaver pleaded guilty to felony assault for beating and choking a man, a beating which occurred both before and after he knocked the man unconscious, and which fractured the man&#039;s eye sockets in four places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I wasn&#8217;t there.  However, Koppenhaver pleaded guilty to felony assault for beating and choking a man, a beating which occurred both before and after he knocked the man unconscious, and which fractured the man&#8217;s eye sockets in four places.</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo the Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rollo the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Quite a tight ship they’re running, as evidenced by the fact that Jon Koppenhaver is still employed after what he did (a vicious assault case)&quot;

Vicious?  Really?  Were you there?  Did you read the testimony?  Did you hear both sides?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Quite a tight ship they’re running, as evidenced by the fact that Jon Koppenhaver is still employed after what he did (a vicious assault case)&#8221;</p>
<p>Vicious?  Really?  Were you there?  Did you read the testimony?  Did you hear both sides?</p>
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		<title>By: Michaelthebox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaelthebox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On a related note, suddenly it’s not so hype-worthy and “This season has so much crazy stuff”-worthy when a fighter (Mikey Burnett) suffers a career-ending spinal injury during the aforementioned drunken antics (although, of course, it was his own choice to get drunk).&quot;

Exactly, it was his choice to get drunk.  While Spike plays up the whole trashing the house aspect, the UFC needs to give these guys every opportunity to self-combust before giving them the chance to fight in the finale.  While its unfortunate that Burnett was injured, it was still his own actions that brought it about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On a related note, suddenly it’s not so hype-worthy and “This season has so much crazy stuff”-worthy when a fighter (Mikey Burnett) suffers a career-ending spinal injury during the aforementioned drunken antics (although, of course, it was his own choice to get drunk).&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, it was his choice to get drunk.  While Spike plays up the whole trashing the house aspect, the UFC needs to give these guys every opportunity to self-combust before giving them the chance to fight in the finale.  While its unfortunate that Burnett was injured, it was still his own actions that brought it about.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps my memory is bad, but I am pretty sure that Dana made it clear that Taylor could return to the UFC if he cleaned up.

I think actually told him to go home and get cleaned up, and to call him in a couple of months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps my memory is bad, but I am pretty sure that Dana made it clear that Taylor could return to the UFC if he cleaned up.</p>
<p>I think actually told him to go home and get cleaned up, and to call him in a couple of months.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see another one of my pieces in here. (I&#039;m the one who called Forrest delusional)

I&#039;m pissed about the Lorenzo fight, but I&#039;m all for not giving Soto a title after that sorry excuse for a bout. It&#039;s one of many reasons why I stopped watching boxing, and the only reason I watched that card is because I got to see it for free with a friend.

As for Taylor: I&#039;m all for him coming back and fighting, because I think that the way Dana treated him by throwing him out of the organization altogether was nuts (though I agree with his disqualification from the tournament). It&#039;s good that Dana has the decency to let a guy who&#039;s a decent fighter show his worth in the organization, now that he&#039;s starting to get his stuff together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see another one of my pieces in here. (I&#8217;m the one who called Forrest delusional)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pissed about the Lorenzo fight, but I&#8217;m all for not giving Soto a title after that sorry excuse for a bout. It&#8217;s one of many reasons why I stopped watching boxing, and the only reason I watched that card is because I got to see it for free with a friend.</p>
<p>As for Taylor: I&#8217;m all for him coming back and fighting, because I think that the way Dana treated him by throwing him out of the organization altogether was nuts (though I agree with his disqualification from the tournament). It&#8217;s good that Dana has the decency to let a guy who&#8217;s a decent fighter show his worth in the organization, now that he&#8217;s starting to get his stuff together.</p>
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		<title>By: 45 Huddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>45 Huddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UFC did the right thing with Taylor.  Everybody is entitled to a second chance.  Even NFL &amp; MLB players who really mess up get second chances.

But by kicking him out of the finals, it could be the best thing to happen to him.  Give him a wake up call he probably needed.  And at the end of the day, if he continues to win, he will still be able to be a star.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UFC did the right thing with Taylor.  Everybody is entitled to a second chance.  Even NFL &amp; MLB players who really mess up get second chances.</p>
<p>But by kicking him out of the finals, it could be the best thing to happen to him.  Give him a wake up call he probably needed.  And at the end of the day, if he continues to win, he will still be able to be a star.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are countless reality shows on television featuring a bunch of people in a house acting like drunken idiots. By making the show less about the former and more about the latter as the seasons have passed, they’ve made their show all-too-similar to so many other reality shows and far less unique.&quot;

That is SPOT ON. They have fallen into the pattern that all reality shows seem to fall into which is the inevitable focus on producer-induced drama instead of the actual goal. Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are countless reality shows on television featuring a bunch of people in a house acting like drunken idiots. By making the show less about the former and more about the latter as the seasons have passed, they’ve made their show all-too-similar to so many other reality shows and far less unique.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is SPOT ON. They have fallen into the pattern that all reality shows seem to fall into which is the inevitable focus on producer-induced drama instead of the actual goal. Well said.</p>
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