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	<title>Comments on: Stick-and-ball US sportswriters are throwing a fit about EXC on CBS</title>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ice,

If the UFC truly did only care about legitimate competition and not selling tickets why is Forrest Griffin fighting for the title when he lost to Keith Jardine, meanwhile Jardine was forced to fight Alexander, Liddell and Silva until he lost enough in order to justify not giving him a shot.  Same with Machida or the fact that Fitch was forced to fight a gajillion fights before he FINALLY got a shot at the belt.

Meanwhile guys like Roger Huerta, Franklin and Liddell are given any and all opportunities to get title shots (repeat opps in some cases) b/c they are more marketable and &quot;in&quot; with UFC brass.

Don&#039;t act like their completely above the same things you&#039;re railing against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ice,</p>
<p>If the UFC truly did only care about legitimate competition and not selling tickets why is Forrest Griffin fighting for the title when he lost to Keith Jardine, meanwhile Jardine was forced to fight Alexander, Liddell and Silva until he lost enough in order to justify not giving him a shot.  Same with Machida or the fact that Fitch was forced to fight a gajillion fights before he FINALLY got a shot at the belt.</p>
<p>Meanwhile guys like Roger Huerta, Franklin and Liddell are given any and all opportunities to get title shots (repeat opps in some cases) b/c they are more marketable and &#8220;in&#8221; with UFC brass.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t act like their completely above the same things you&#8217;re railing against.</p>
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		<title>By: jbm1983</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbm1983</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 05:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason I want the EXC show to succeed ratings-wise is just to piss off all these MMA &quot;purists&quot; and their arrogant attitudes towards the &quot;purity&quot; and the self-righteous &quot;sanctity&quot; for the sport they cherish to the heart.

But the main reasons I want it to succeed is for the industry as a whole.

Just being honest from a personal standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason I want the EXC show to succeed ratings-wise is just to piss off all these MMA &#8220;purists&#8221; and their arrogant attitudes towards the &#8220;purity&#8221; and the self-righteous &#8220;sanctity&#8221; for the sport they cherish to the heart.</p>
<p>But the main reasons I want it to succeed is for the industry as a whole.</p>
<p>Just being honest from a personal standpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomer Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomer Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 01:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Kimbo Slice is not fighting cans. He can’t fight cans, because he’s completely unproven as a fighter. He’s just fighting people at his level (and with more experience).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A can is a level of quality of an opponent in terms of resistance, skill, quality of wins, etc. not a comparative fight title (IE: only cans can fight cans). For example, one would not consider Reggie Strickland above a &#039;higher end&#039; can even though he has over 300 fights to his name in Boxing. 

Another example is Nick Casal, who faced Timothy Crane (who was 4-13 when they fought while Casal was 1-0). While Casal spotted 16 fights, he blitzed Crane who was little more than a punching bag. Just because Crane had 16 more fights didn&#039;t mean crap if he didn&#039;t have the skills, desire, quality of wins, etc. to back himself as being a &#039;quality&#039; fighter (and he basically quit from the get go, going down 3 fights to what were pretty much pushes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kimbo Slice is not fighting cans. He can’t fight cans, because he’s completely unproven as a fighter. He’s just fighting people at his level (and with more experience).</p></blockquote>
<p>A can is a level of quality of an opponent in terms of resistance, skill, quality of wins, etc. not a comparative fight title (IE: only cans can fight cans). For example, one would not consider Reggie Strickland above a &#8216;higher end&#8217; can even though he has over 300 fights to his name in Boxing. </p>
<p>Another example is Nick Casal, who faced Timothy Crane (who was 4-13 when they fought while Casal was 1-0). While Casal spotted 16 fights, he blitzed Crane who was little more than a punching bag. Just because Crane had 16 more fights didn&#8217;t mean crap if he didn&#8217;t have the skills, desire, quality of wins, etc. to back himself as being a &#8216;quality&#8217; fighter (and he basically quit from the get go, going down 3 fights to what were pretty much pushes).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 01:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forrest is a good example, yeah.  IIRC he walks around at about 235.  Big guy.

Couture is another good example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forrest is a good example, yeah.  IIRC he walks around at about 235.  Big guy.</p>
<p>Couture is another good example.</p>
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		<title>By: IceMuncher</title>
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		<dc:creator>IceMuncher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you think the UFC cares about the best fighting the best more than putting on entertaining shows and putting asses in seats?&quot;

This is a trick question, since the UFC puts asses in seats by fighting the best against the best.  I honestly don&#039;t know how to answer that.

After, if all they cared about was entertainment, it stands to reason they would make a lot of entertaining mismatches, rather than &quot;best vs best&quot; fights with champions taking on &quot;boring&quot; challengers like Sylvia and Sherk.  

Look for yourself.  Go ahead, take a look at all the fights they put together in 2008 alone.  Take a look at how many freakshow &quot;entertainment&quot; fights there were, and how many were great match-ups.  

And how do you explain all the &quot;boring&quot; fighters that still get big fights in the UFC?  You know, guys like Machida, Kos, Sherk, Sylvia.  How do you explain the lack of Zulus and Kimbos fighting in the main event?

Hmmm... turns out Lesnar is the exception, and not the rule when it comes to how the UFC does business.  Even then, they gave him a legitimate opponent to sink or swim against.  Seriously, think about it.  That&#039;s absolutely retarded if they only cared about putting asses in seats, which many posters on this website pointed out.  However, it makes sense if you put it in the perspective of an org that&#039;s trying to take the sport seriously.  

How much evidence do you want?  I can literally go on for pages.

The UFC realized that great fights with legitimate challengers will keep the sport afloat and the fan interested.  That&#039;s why they&#039;ve been giving us big fights with legitimate fighters every chance they get.  That&#039;s why Fitch is fighting GSP next.  It&#039;s the same principle that all of the major sports live by (aside from boxing, which the UFC overtook), and it&#039;s working.  A Brazilian middleweight that can&#039;t speak English sells hundreds of thousands of PPV shows.  It&#039;s not because of youtube streetfighting clips or an intimidating beard, it&#039;s because he destroys all the top fighters in his division and the fans know it and love it.  Great fighters are a renewable resource, fad superstars are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you think the UFC cares about the best fighting the best more than putting on entertaining shows and putting asses in seats?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a trick question, since the UFC puts asses in seats by fighting the best against the best.  I honestly don&#8217;t know how to answer that.</p>
<p>After, if all they cared about was entertainment, it stands to reason they would make a lot of entertaining mismatches, rather than &#8220;best vs best&#8221; fights with champions taking on &#8220;boring&#8221; challengers like Sylvia and Sherk.  </p>
<p>Look for yourself.  Go ahead, take a look at all the fights they put together in 2008 alone.  Take a look at how many freakshow &#8220;entertainment&#8221; fights there were, and how many were great match-ups.  </p>
<p>And how do you explain all the &#8220;boring&#8221; fighters that still get big fights in the UFC?  You know, guys like Machida, Kos, Sherk, Sylvia.  How do you explain the lack of Zulus and Kimbos fighting in the main event?</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; turns out Lesnar is the exception, and not the rule when it comes to how the UFC does business.  Even then, they gave him a legitimate opponent to sink or swim against.  Seriously, think about it.  That&#8217;s absolutely retarded if they only cared about putting asses in seats, which many posters on this website pointed out.  However, it makes sense if you put it in the perspective of an org that&#8217;s trying to take the sport seriously.  </p>
<p>How much evidence do you want?  I can literally go on for pages.</p>
<p>The UFC realized that great fights with legitimate challengers will keep the sport afloat and the fan interested.  That&#8217;s why they&#8217;ve been giving us big fights with legitimate fighters every chance they get.  That&#8217;s why Fitch is fighting GSP next.  It&#8217;s the same principle that all of the major sports live by (aside from boxing, which the UFC overtook), and it&#8217;s working.  A Brazilian middleweight that can&#8217;t speak English sells hundreds of thousands of PPV shows.  It&#8217;s not because of youtube streetfighting clips or an intimidating beard, it&#8217;s because he destroys all the top fighters in his division and the fans know it and love it.  Great fighters are a renewable resource, fad superstars are not.</p>
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		<title>By: spacedog</title>
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		<dc:creator>spacedog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 00:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I think guys like Forrest, Tito,  Jardine, and Lidell are just as big as Fedor and Cro Cop. If I&#039;m notmistaken fedor is six ft, or just over, and about 220, which would make him SMALLER than the above mention LHW.I know Cro Cop has weighed in under 220 and he&#039;s no taller than those guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think guys like Forrest, Tito,  Jardine, and Lidell are just as big as Fedor and Cro Cop. If I&#8217;m notmistaken fedor is six ft, or just over, and about 220, which would make him SMALLER than the above mention LHW.I know Cro Cop has weighed in under 220 and he&#8217;s no taller than those guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultimo Santa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultimo Santa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear what you’re saying, Jeremy (not that Jeremy), but I’m just saying this: guys like CroCop, Fedor, etc. COULD, technically, cut down to 205. But they can compete and win at heavyweight.

On the other hand, very large light-heavyweights like Jardine, Rampage, Lidell, etc. aren’t that much small than CroCop and Fedor, but I don’t see them jumping to heavyweight and trying to prove themselves, even though in the UFC the division is literally empty.

Just sayin’…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear what you’re saying, Jeremy (not that Jeremy), but I’m just saying this: guys like CroCop, Fedor, etc. COULD, technically, cut down to 205. But they can compete and win at heavyweight.</p>
<p>On the other hand, very large light-heavyweights like Jardine, Rampage, Lidell, etc. aren’t that much small than CroCop and Fedor, but I don’t see them jumping to heavyweight and trying to prove themselves, even though in the UFC the division is literally empty.</p>
<p>Just sayin’…</p>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear what you&#039;re saying, Jeremy (not that Jeremy), but I&#039;m just saying this: guys like CroCop, Fedor, etc. COULD, technically, cut down to 205. But they can compete and win at heavyweight. 

On the other hand, very large light-heavyweights like Jardine, Rampage, Lidell, etc. aren&#039;t that much small than CroCop and Fedor, but I don&#039;t see them jumping to heavyweight and trying to prove themselves, even though in the UFC the division is literally empty.

Just sayin&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear what you&#8217;re saying, Jeremy (not that Jeremy), but I&#8217;m just saying this: guys like CroCop, Fedor, etc. COULD, technically, cut down to 205. But they can compete and win at heavyweight. </p>
<p>On the other hand, very large light-heavyweights like Jardine, Rampage, Lidell, etc. aren&#8217;t that much small than CroCop and Fedor, but I don&#8217;t see them jumping to heavyweight and trying to prove themselves, even though in the UFC the division is literally empty.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Some of us want MMA to be a sport that’s taken seriously, not a spectacle to gawk at. I think that when you build something up with sensationalism, like EXC is doing with Kimbo, rather than with substance, you turn the sport into a fad.&quot;

...and UFC marketed Brock Lesnar using WWE clips. They didn&#039;t bother tracking down his amateur wrestling footage. Who cares dude? 

At the end of the day, it&#039;s about entertainment, and getting people to tune in. Do you think the UFC cares about the best fighting the best more than putting on entertaining shows and putting asses in seats? Even 45 Huddle isn&#039;t that naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some of us want MMA to be a sport that’s taken seriously, not a spectacle to gawk at. I think that when you build something up with sensationalism, like EXC is doing with Kimbo, rather than with substance, you turn the sport into a fad.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and UFC marketed Brock Lesnar using WWE clips. They didn&#8217;t bother tracking down his amateur wrestling footage. Who cares dude? </p>
<p>At the end of the day, it&#8217;s about entertainment, and getting people to tune in. Do you think the UFC cares about the best fighting the best more than putting on entertaining shows and putting asses in seats? Even 45 Huddle isn&#8217;t that naive.</p>
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		<title>By: IceMuncher</title>
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		<dc:creator>IceMuncher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us want MMA to be a sport that&#039;s taken seriously, not a spectacle to gawk at.  I think that when you build something up with sensationalism, like EXC is doing with Kimbo, rather than with substance, you turn the sport into a fad.  Yeah, you&#039;ll get interest, but it&#039;s not sustainable.  As soon as Kimbo is yesterday&#039;s news, all these people that tuned into EXC just to see the hyped street-fighter Kimbo Slice will lose interest.

And the fact is, most people don&#039;t realize that Kimbo Slice is an unproven fighter that can&#039;t hang with decent top 10 opponents.  It&#039;s bad enough having to listen to an ESPN sports anchor like Michael Wilbon from PTI say that he doesn&#039;t care about MMA unless it&#039;s a fight between Kimbo Slice and Rampage.  Imagine if that kind of ignorance becomes widespread.  It&#039;d be a disaster for the sport in my opinion.

Kimbo headlining the first MMA show on a major network television channel sets the sport back in my opinion.  I&#039;m tuning in for the Lawler/Smith fight and the Carano/Young fight, then I&#039;m turning it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us want MMA to be a sport that&#8217;s taken seriously, not a spectacle to gawk at.  I think that when you build something up with sensationalism, like EXC is doing with Kimbo, rather than with substance, you turn the sport into a fad.  Yeah, you&#8217;ll get interest, but it&#8217;s not sustainable.  As soon as Kimbo is yesterday&#8217;s news, all these people that tuned into EXC just to see the hyped street-fighter Kimbo Slice will lose interest.</p>
<p>And the fact is, most people don&#8217;t realize that Kimbo Slice is an unproven fighter that can&#8217;t hang with decent top 10 opponents.  It&#8217;s bad enough having to listen to an ESPN sports anchor like Michael Wilbon from PTI say that he doesn&#8217;t care about MMA unless it&#8217;s a fight between Kimbo Slice and Rampage.  Imagine if that kind of ignorance becomes widespread.  It&#8217;d be a disaster for the sport in my opinion.</p>
<p>Kimbo headlining the first MMA show on a major network television channel sets the sport back in my opinion.  I&#8217;m tuning in for the Lawler/Smith fight and the Carano/Young fight, then I&#8217;m turning it off.</p>
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