You two are making a case of inadequate testing in the US yet at the same time defending Japan’s non-testing. Now who’s the fanboys?

I’m not sure why you seem to keep ignoring what I keep repeating.

I never defended Japan’s non-testing. PLEASE point where I did so, since you are so “logical”.

I pointed out that you are a fanboy with different standards for the UFC and for PRIDE.

AGAIN, my stance is that many sports and organizations and countries have steroid issues that need to be resolved, not just Japanese MMA as you seem so hell bent on vilifying.

The free passes you’re giving the UFC with your lax definitions of “cheating” is simply mind-boggling.

It’s not useless. You’re now a more objective MMA fan.

I think this sums up my thoughts pretty well:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080116&sportCat=mlb

I think that once you’ve seen someone test positive for steroids you basically should or need to call into question the fact that they’ve managed to test clean previously.

i.e. someone like Sherk, imo, has tainted the fact that they tested clean in the past b/c to me you don’t just up and decide that you need to start taking steroids. I think it’s an indication of a pattern of use and likely that they were able to work the system in the past and makes me skeptical about them in the future.

Are we in agreement?

My main point in my argument was that I thought it was pretty blind to just blatantly state that people were using steroids b/c the option was available. You’re right, without the fear of testing, the prevalence of PED use is likely higher.

All I wanted to point out was two things, and maybe I didn’t make them as clear as I thought:

1.) I didn’t like that people just casually claim as though it’s fact that fighters were flagrantly using steroids, when there was little to no proof outside of an evaluation of aesthetics.

(Note: For all I’ve seen W. Silva, Rampage, A. Silva, Henderson and a host of other guys that fought in Japan and have moved over to the US look exactly the same physically. I am especially puzzled by people who claim Silva looks far less muscled, he looks just as jacked as always, the only difference being he’s standing around 205′ers that cut from 240lbs and are 6′2-6′4 while he’s probably a 220-225lbs max and stands like 5′10.)

2.) People believing that the existence of the current testing equals without a doubt that all these fighters are clean
(i.e. Sherk, Bonnar etc. have tested clean before and will likely test clean again – and I find it hard to believe that they only were caught useing steroids the very first time) and above reproach.

I dont think I ever accused any particular person of cheating while passing the tests (??), but I apologize if I made it seem that way or that it meant that EVERYONE fighting in Japan didn’t use just for lack of proof (which is nil since there’s no testing).

Logic #1: I accuse US fighters of cheating because they may or may not be taking steroids becaues the system is inadequate. I cannot prove it but in my mind, I believe it is true.

Logic #2: The system is flawed, therefore anyone can cheat if they have a brain.

Logic #3: Since anyone can cheat who has a brain, anyone who were caught (and boy there were many), does not have a brain.

Logic #4: Everyone who passed must have cheated but didn’t get caught. Ergo, all UFC, EliteXC, Strikeforce champions are cheaters.

Logic #5: Since I’m not attacking the US system, I no longer have to defend the original premise that Japan needs testing.

Logic #6: If a system is not perfect, then there is no point in testing.

Logic #7: If you have ever taking steroid in your life even though you are off of it when comes fight time, you are a cheater and forever a cheater even if said steroid may or may not have helped.

Logic #8: Since the US system is flawed, it absolves Japan of implementing a steroid testing system.

Am I missing anything here?