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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/03/16/sunday-news-review-31608/comment-page-1/#comment-48538</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I add that the prospect of Golden Boy (even if they partner with that god awful Affliction) getting into MMA excites me. Golden Boy knows fight promotion better than anybody and Oscar is seen by boxing fans (at least from what I&#039;ve read online) as being good to his fighters as opposed to Don King and Bob Arum. Oscar deserves props for being Pro-MMA as opposed to Mayweather, who was trashing the sport. If Golden Boy took on Don King and Bob Arum, they can take on Zuffa rather easily with the help of their friends at HBO. Charles Jay&#039;s article is on the money. Zuffa&#039;s challenge in the American market isn&#039;t going to come from the circus that is ProElite. And it probably isn&#039;t going to come from HDNet Fights either (although I had faith, Mark Cuban&#039;s success depends on HDNet taking off and I just don&#039;t see it happening. They have so much MMA on HDNet but how many are watching?) Golden Boy, given his knowledge about the fight business, his connections and the access to HBO, has the tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I add that the prospect of Golden Boy (even if they partner with that god awful Affliction) getting into MMA excites me. Golden Boy knows fight promotion better than anybody and Oscar is seen by boxing fans (at least from what I&#8217;ve read online) as being good to his fighters as opposed to Don King and Bob Arum. Oscar deserves props for being Pro-MMA as opposed to Mayweather, who was trashing the sport. If Golden Boy took on Don King and Bob Arum, they can take on Zuffa rather easily with the help of their friends at HBO. Charles Jay&#8217;s article is on the money. Zuffa&#8217;s challenge in the American market isn&#8217;t going to come from the circus that is ProElite. And it probably isn&#8217;t going to come from HDNet Fights either (although I had faith, Mark Cuban&#8217;s success depends on HDNet taking off and I just don&#8217;t see it happening. They have so much MMA on HDNet but how many are watching?) Golden Boy, given his knowledge about the fight business, his connections and the access to HBO, has the tools.</p>
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		<title>By: ilostmydog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilostmydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn my math.  I had a feeling I did something wrong with the percentages, but I didn&#039;t fix it.  Nice catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn my math.  I had a feeling I did something wrong with the percentages, but I didn&#8217;t fix it.  Nice catch.</p>
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		<title>By: IceMuncher</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/03/16/sunday-news-review-31608/comment-page-1/#comment-48520</link>
		<dc:creator>IceMuncher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very impressive post ilostmydog.  I might have to cut and copy it (but change the .003% to .3%).  I&#039;m anticipating that this won&#039;t be the last time someone brings up the &quot;elbow myth&quot;.

When I was watching the DREAM fights,  I couldn&#039;t help but think that elbows would have added a lot to some of the fights.  It&#039;s a lot easier for the guy on the bottom to neutralize his opponent&#039;s GNP when you only have to worry about punches.  I mean, punches are nice, but they&#039;re most effective from about an arm&#039;s length away, not up close.  So you end up with a bunch of weak arm punches that don&#039;t do much damage.

Keep elbows, add knees, and we&#039;re good to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very impressive post ilostmydog.  I might have to cut and copy it (but change the .003% to .3%).  I&#8217;m anticipating that this won&#8217;t be the last time someone brings up the &#8220;elbow myth&#8221;.</p>
<p>When I was watching the DREAM fights,  I couldn&#8217;t help but think that elbows would have added a lot to some of the fights.  It&#8217;s a lot easier for the guy on the bottom to neutralize his opponent&#8217;s GNP when you only have to worry about punches.  I mean, punches are nice, but they&#8217;re most effective from about an arm&#8217;s length away, not up close.  So you end up with a bunch of weak arm punches that don&#8217;t do much damage.</p>
<p>Keep elbows, add knees, and we&#8217;re good to go.</p>
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		<title>By: ilostmydog</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/03/16/sunday-news-review-31608/comment-page-1/#comment-48501</link>
		<dc:creator>ilostmydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amount of elbows that cause cuts, let alone cut stoppages, is extremely exaggerated by many.  

In 2007, the UFC held 171 fights.  Two of them were stopped due to cuts, Belcher/Starnes and Lytle/Alves.  Only Belcher/Starnes can be linked to an elbow stoppage, and even then it&#039;s not clear what was the actual cut was caused by as Alan was throwing an absolute torrent of knees, kicks, elbows, and punches towards Starnes.  In any case, it wasn&#039;t an elbow on the ground that caused the cut.  

In 2006, the UFC featured 158 matches.  Again, two were stopped for cuts.  One was cuts sustained due to knees in the clinch (Kongo/Aldana), while the other (Yves Edwards vs. Joe Stevenson), was, in fact, stopped due to cuts caused by elbows (this would more accurately be described as &#039;hundreds of elbows thrown with bad intentions&#039;) on the ground.  

So therefore, between 2006 and 2007, there was only one fight out of 329 in the UFC that was stopped due to cuts from elbows on the ground.  That is 0.003%.  Hardly an issue IMO, and unlikely to &#039;piss off the fans&#039; when it rarely happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of elbows that cause cuts, let alone cut stoppages, is extremely exaggerated by many.  </p>
<p>In 2007, the UFC held 171 fights.  Two of them were stopped due to cuts, Belcher/Starnes and Lytle/Alves.  Only Belcher/Starnes can be linked to an elbow stoppage, and even then it&#8217;s not clear what was the actual cut was caused by as Alan was throwing an absolute torrent of knees, kicks, elbows, and punches towards Starnes.  In any case, it wasn&#8217;t an elbow on the ground that caused the cut.  </p>
<p>In 2006, the UFC featured 158 matches.  Again, two were stopped for cuts.  One was cuts sustained due to knees in the clinch (Kongo/Aldana), while the other (Yves Edwards vs. Joe Stevenson), was, in fact, stopped due to cuts caused by elbows (this would more accurately be described as &#8216;hundreds of elbows thrown with bad intentions&#8217;) on the ground.  </p>
<p>So therefore, between 2006 and 2007, there was only one fight out of 329 in the UFC that was stopped due to cuts from elbows on the ground.  That is 0.003%.  Hardly an issue IMO, and unlikely to &#8216;piss off the fans&#8217; when it rarely happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knees to the head on the ground is a lot less &quot;barbaric&quot; than elbows to the head on the ground. Short elbows to the head on the ground = more cuts = more instances of blood smearing everywhere on the canvas covering company logos and such = fighters getting more scar tissue on their face = fighters being prone to more cut stoppages (which does nothing but piss the fans off) and more excessive blood baths. Fight sports are supposed to be violent but in what other mainstream fight sport in America would you see blood baths to the extent of  Gideon Ray vs. Edwin Dewees? Don&#039;t tell me that this is attractive to sponsors and the mainstream media. I don&#039;t understand the argument from purists that banning elbows to the head would make MMA less like MMA. MMA is not a real fight and it never was. Even Vale Tudo has a few rules. There are 30+ different illegal techniques/fouls in MMA. This is sport fighting, not a real street fight so don&#039;t give me the whole purity rhetoric talk. If we&#039;re going to talk about purity then I suppose we shouldn&#039;t stand up fighters who lay n pray either? No pure fighting sport would be commercially viable. I would like to see the commissions trade elbows to the head on the ground for knees.

So as long as you have a competent referee that stops a fight at the right time (unlike Yuji Shamada, who lets fighters take too much of a beating), knees to the head would give those wrestlers who can&#039;t finish otherwise a chance to finish fights. And it&#039;s exciting for the fans to see a guy go to side mount or north-south and pummel his opponent&#039;s head with knees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knees to the head on the ground is a lot less &#8220;barbaric&#8221; than elbows to the head on the ground. Short elbows to the head on the ground = more cuts = more instances of blood smearing everywhere on the canvas covering company logos and such = fighters getting more scar tissue on their face = fighters being prone to more cut stoppages (which does nothing but piss the fans off) and more excessive blood baths. Fight sports are supposed to be violent but in what other mainstream fight sport in America would you see blood baths to the extent of  Gideon Ray vs. Edwin Dewees? Don&#8217;t tell me that this is attractive to sponsors and the mainstream media. I don&#8217;t understand the argument from purists that banning elbows to the head would make MMA less like MMA. MMA is not a real fight and it never was. Even Vale Tudo has a few rules. There are 30+ different illegal techniques/fouls in MMA. This is sport fighting, not a real street fight so don&#8217;t give me the whole purity rhetoric talk. If we&#8217;re going to talk about purity then I suppose we shouldn&#8217;t stand up fighters who lay n pray either? No pure fighting sport would be commercially viable. I would like to see the commissions trade elbows to the head on the ground for knees.</p>
<p>So as long as you have a competent referee that stops a fight at the right time (unlike Yuji Shamada, who lets fighters take too much of a beating), knees to the head would give those wrestlers who can&#8217;t finish otherwise a chance to finish fights. And it&#8217;s exciting for the fans to see a guy go to side mount or north-south and pummel his opponent&#8217;s head with knees.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icon title fights have the best rules in MMA. The less rules the better, IMO.

Kala/Baroni was an awesome fight. The first couple rounds were crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Icon title fights have the best rules in MMA. The less rules the better, IMO.</p>
<p>Kala/Baroni was an awesome fight. The first couple rounds were crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/03/16/sunday-news-review-31608/comment-page-1/#comment-48483</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be perfectly happy if they just allowed knees to the head on the ground and in the 4-point stance.

I can see that in North America the soccer kicks and stomps might just come across as too barbaric...but the knees serve a definite purpose and i think would go a long way to making for more exciting fights - and really discourage sloppy shots or inactivity on the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be perfectly happy if they just allowed knees to the head on the ground and in the 4-point stance.</p>
<p>I can see that in North America the soccer kicks and stomps might just come across as too barbaric&#8230;but the knees serve a definite purpose and i think would go a long way to making for more exciting fights &#8211; and really discourage sloppy shots or inactivity on the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, some people prefer certain rules over others and will continue talk about it.  PRIDE was hardly the only organization to allow soccer kicks and stomps.  Your myopic TUF-view of MMA is a little disappointing; it&#039;s something I would have expected more from 45.

(And, no, I don&#039;t especially like soccer kicks and stomps.  I&#039;d prefer them to be completely gone from MMA.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, some people prefer certain rules over others and will continue talk about it.  PRIDE was hardly the only organization to allow soccer kicks and stomps.  Your myopic TUF-view of MMA is a little disappointing; it&#8217;s something I would have expected more from 45.</p>
<p>(And, no, I don&#8217;t especially like soccer kicks and stomps.  I&#8217;d prefer them to be completely gone from MMA.)</p>
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		<title>By: superhaloman</title>
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		<dc:creator>superhaloman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t understand why som many people seem to think so highly of the Baroni-Hose fight.

It was incredibly sloppy, from both fighters. Baroni gassed after three minutes and was falling into takedowns that Hose, incredibly, could not defend.

Baroni took a hell of a beating from round 2 onward, it could have been stopped in any round after that. That the ref stopped it in the fifth seemed almost an arbitrary decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand why som many people seem to think so highly of the Baroni-Hose fight.</p>
<p>It was incredibly sloppy, from both fighters. Baroni gassed after three minutes and was falling into takedowns that Hose, incredibly, could not defend.</p>
<p>Baroni took a hell of a beating from round 2 onward, it could have been stopped in any round after that. That the ref stopped it in the fifth seemed almost an arbitrary decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was a good fight. Though Hose should have finished off Baroni sooner. Baroni was totally out of that fight in the later rounds. Is it safe to say that NYBA is officially washed up? Baroni gasses but he just got beat by a 5-1 local Hawaiian fighter. That&#039;s pretty sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was a good fight. Though Hose should have finished off Baroni sooner. Baroni was totally out of that fight in the later rounds. Is it safe to say that NYBA is officially washed up? Baroni gasses but he just got beat by a 5-1 local Hawaiian fighter. That&#8217;s pretty sad.</p>
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