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	<title>Comments on: Wednesday weekly review: Matt Lindland wants your vote</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/03/12/wednesday-weekly-review-matt-lindland-wants-your-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-48369</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think actually it&#039;s banned in some variety in Vancouver as well (could be just in publicly owned venues or something, not sure).

But that&#039;s playing semantic games.  The sport isn&#039;t regulated in every state in the US, but that hasn&#039;t prevented it from becoming more than a niche sport, and being quite profitable.  As long as you have enough locations that you can hold a show and make a lot of money, you&#039;re good to go.  Montreal seems likely to be a location that UFC can return to frequently, and based on discussions I had at a bar in Toronto during UFC 76, Montreal is a location that&#039;s close enough to Toronto that at least some people are willing to make the trip.

I think Montreal is Ohio level or better.  You can go there two or three times a year without tapping that market out, IMHO.  Mexico City, maybe not.  You can do it once and get big numbers though.

UFC&#039;s not building a sports league here.  They are doing events, and they&#039;re just trying to expand their stable of available venues so that they can keep their number of events level without tapping out the demand for live events in any one place.

The kind of interesting thing to me is that UFC doesn&#039;t typically gate as high at these arenas as they do in Vegas at smaller venues.  We know that that is in large part due to the fact that in Vegas you can do casino contract deals instead of actually selling tickets to individuals.

There has to be a business reason related to expanding brand footprint and improving buy rates on PPVs, sell rates on DVDs, etc, but when you&#039;re passing on half a million or a million dollars in gate, and you have the expense that is involved in going mobile, it&#039;s an interesting question to ask as to why UFC is engaging in touring at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think actually it&#8217;s banned in some variety in Vancouver as well (could be just in publicly owned venues or something, not sure).</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s playing semantic games.  The sport isn&#8217;t regulated in every state in the US, but that hasn&#8217;t prevented it from becoming more than a niche sport, and being quite profitable.  As long as you have enough locations that you can hold a show and make a lot of money, you&#8217;re good to go.  Montreal seems likely to be a location that UFC can return to frequently, and based on discussions I had at a bar in Toronto during UFC 76, Montreal is a location that&#8217;s close enough to Toronto that at least some people are willing to make the trip.</p>
<p>I think Montreal is Ohio level or better.  You can go there two or three times a year without tapping that market out, IMHO.  Mexico City, maybe not.  You can do it once and get big numbers though.</p>
<p>UFC&#8217;s not building a sports league here.  They are doing events, and they&#8217;re just trying to expand their stable of available venues so that they can keep their number of events level without tapping out the demand for live events in any one place.</p>
<p>The kind of interesting thing to me is that UFC doesn&#8217;t typically gate as high at these arenas as they do in Vegas at smaller venues.  We know that that is in large part due to the fact that in Vegas you can do casino contract deals instead of actually selling tickets to individuals.</p>
<p>There has to be a business reason related to expanding brand footprint and improving buy rates on PPVs, sell rates on DVDs, etc, but when you&#8217;re passing on half a million or a million dollars in gate, and you have the expense that is involved in going mobile, it&#8217;s an interesting question to ask as to why UFC is engaging in touring at all.</p>
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		<title>By: ilostmydog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilostmydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more provinces in Canada than Quebec and Ontario.  :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more provinces in Canada than Quebec and Ontario.  :p</p>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The new Euro push is expensive, but does seem to be taking reasonably well at least in the UK. Canada is going very well, probably because we have a bounty, a cornucopic plethora of Canadian fighters who have shown that they know what they’re doing.&lt;/i&gt;

If by Canada, you mean Quebec, yes. As of right now, I&#039;m pretty sure MMA is still outlawed in Ontario. 

&lt;i&gt;Mexico will be interesting if it really does happen this year. Chances are good that they can sell out a very large venue in Mexico City or Guadalajara based on EVENT! alone.&lt;/i&gt;

Even if they sell out a bullring, they&#039;re not gonna get a big gate because its Mexico. Plus, there&#039;s been no shows beyond club level in that country. Seriously, the only major permanent group I can think of is MMAX, and they&#039;re on a satellite station for one hour of taped bouts Saturday nights running MMA events from nightclubs. Europe as a whole is still a pipe dream. They need way, way better TV coverage than what they currently have there. 

 Whether they can do it on a regular basis or not is hard to call. It certainly shouldn’t be as costly as England, and stands a good chance of being profitable (assuming a big big venue, and low ticket prices).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The new Euro push is expensive, but does seem to be taking reasonably well at least in the UK. Canada is going very well, probably because we have a bounty, a cornucopic plethora of Canadian fighters who have shown that they know what they’re doing.</i></p>
<p>If by Canada, you mean Quebec, yes. As of right now, I&#8217;m pretty sure MMA is still outlawed in Ontario. </p>
<p><i>Mexico will be interesting if it really does happen this year. Chances are good that they can sell out a very large venue in Mexico City or Guadalajara based on EVENT! alone.</i></p>
<p>Even if they sell out a bullring, they&#8217;re not gonna get a big gate because its Mexico. Plus, there&#8217;s been no shows beyond club level in that country. Seriously, the only major permanent group I can think of is MMAX, and they&#8217;re on a satellite station for one hour of taped bouts Saturday nights running MMA events from nightclubs. Europe as a whole is still a pipe dream. They need way, way better TV coverage than what they currently have there. </p>
<p> Whether they can do it on a regular basis or not is hard to call. It certainly shouldn’t be as costly as England, and stands a good chance of being profitable (assuming a big big venue, and low ticket prices).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I choose YOU Irish Hand Grenade!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I choose YOU Irish Hand Grenade!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/03/12/wednesday-weekly-review-matt-lindland-wants-your-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-48337</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure UFC is (like any business) always looking for ways to expand their demographic and reach out to new markets.

I don&#039;t have the actual figures, but I&#039;d suspect that they&#039;re particularly good in the 18 to 30-something male demo, they seem to have a good following with females in the same age bracket, and it seems like there is a solid cadre of older fans developing who have come from old skool wrestling or boxing.

Due to the nature of the sport, I assume we&#039;re not going to be seeing Li&#039;l UFC Adventures on Saturday morning anytime soon, although superdeformed Tito Ortiz getting knocked out by SD Chuck Liddell could be entertaining.

The far east and european expansions of the pre-Zuffa era were pretty much busts.  The attempt to get into the Japanese market by taking over the Pride brand obviously didn&#039;t work because of adverse conditions on the ground that Zuffa SHOULD have been aware of, but apparently wasn&#039;t (they must have had an angle though, it would have taken Pollyanna to have made that deal in good faith).

The new Euro push is expensive, but does seem to be taking reasonably well at least in the UK.  Canada is going very well, probably because we have a bounty, a cornucopic plethora of Canadian fighters who have shown that they know what they&#039;re doing.  Mexico will be interesting if it really does happen this year.  Chances are good that they can sell out a very large venue in Mexico City or Guadalajara based on EVENT! alone.  Whether they can do it on a regular basis or not is hard to call.  It certainly shouldn&#039;t be as costly as England, and stands a good chance of being profitable (assuming a big big venue, and low ticket prices).

As for UFC &quot;dying to get&quot; in with boxing folks, I suspect that if it is the case, it&#039;s less about the business than it is a case of &quot;look at me, Dad, I&#039;m fucking filthy rich, I did it!&quot;  Nothing like getting zero attention and approval from the folks who sired your biz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure UFC is (like any business) always looking for ways to expand their demographic and reach out to new markets.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the actual figures, but I&#8217;d suspect that they&#8217;re particularly good in the 18 to 30-something male demo, they seem to have a good following with females in the same age bracket, and it seems like there is a solid cadre of older fans developing who have come from old skool wrestling or boxing.</p>
<p>Due to the nature of the sport, I assume we&#8217;re not going to be seeing Li&#8217;l UFC Adventures on Saturday morning anytime soon, although superdeformed Tito Ortiz getting knocked out by SD Chuck Liddell could be entertaining.</p>
<p>The far east and european expansions of the pre-Zuffa era were pretty much busts.  The attempt to get into the Japanese market by taking over the Pride brand obviously didn&#8217;t work because of adverse conditions on the ground that Zuffa SHOULD have been aware of, but apparently wasn&#8217;t (they must have had an angle though, it would have taken Pollyanna to have made that deal in good faith).</p>
<p>The new Euro push is expensive, but does seem to be taking reasonably well at least in the UK.  Canada is going very well, probably because we have a bounty, a cornucopic plethora of Canadian fighters who have shown that they know what they&#8217;re doing.  Mexico will be interesting if it really does happen this year.  Chances are good that they can sell out a very large venue in Mexico City or Guadalajara based on EVENT! alone.  Whether they can do it on a regular basis or not is hard to call.  It certainly shouldn&#8217;t be as costly as England, and stands a good chance of being profitable (assuming a big big venue, and low ticket prices).</p>
<p>As for UFC &#8220;dying to get&#8221; in with boxing folks, I suspect that if it is the case, it&#8217;s less about the business than it is a case of &#8220;look at me, Dad, I&#8217;m fucking filthy rich, I did it!&#8221;  Nothing like getting zero attention and approval from the folks who sired your biz.</p>
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		<title>By: UFC 4 Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>UFC 4 Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy Jones vs Silva. 

This is will never happen. 

Its all for cheap publicity to get people talking. Mayweather should probably thank UFC for getting him that WWE gig. Maybe they will bring in Roy Jones since WWE has proven they don&#039;t know how to market to MMA fans but they want to.  UFC has done an equally shitty job in getting their sport &#039;over&#039; to &quot;die hard&quot; ( read the old generation) boxing fans.

UFC is dying for any angle to get publicity in boxing circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Jones vs Silva. </p>
<p>This is will never happen. </p>
<p>Its all for cheap publicity to get people talking. Mayweather should probably thank UFC for getting him that WWE gig. Maybe they will bring in Roy Jones since WWE has proven they don&#8217;t know how to market to MMA fans but they want to.  UFC has done an equally shitty job in getting their sport &#8216;over&#8217; to &#8220;die hard&#8221; ( read the old generation) boxing fans.</p>
<p>UFC is dying for any angle to get publicity in boxing circles.</p>
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		<title>By: fightlinker.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>fightlinker.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any fight with Roy Jones Jr would take a while to set up ... Yushin is obviously next, although if Dana can&#039;t find anyone to draft or drop down, it may not be a bad idea to let Silva go do his thing in the boxing ring ... albeit with a less fucking insane opponent than Roy Jones Jr.

As my article Zach so kindly linked to says, asking for Jones just reeks of ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any fight with Roy Jones Jr would take a while to set up &#8230; Yushin is obviously next, although if Dana can&#8217;t find anyone to draft or drop down, it may not be a bad idea to let Silva go do his thing in the boxing ring &#8230; albeit with a less fucking insane opponent than Roy Jones Jr.</p>
<p>As my article Zach so kindly linked to says, asking for Jones just reeks of ego.</p>
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		<title>By: JThue</title>
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		<dc:creator>JThue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is that the end of any chance of WWE being regulated in GA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is that the end of any chance of WWE being regulated in GA?</p>
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		<title>By: Ultimo_Santa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultimo_Santa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anderson Silva DOES have options in the UFC.

Okami is a good opponent, and they can build a story around their last fight which ended in a DQ.

Both Wanderlei and Shogun could easily make 185, and both pose a significant threat to Anderson&#039;s title reign. 

Bisping is still popular both in North America and in the UK, so if he&#039;s established with a couple wins at 185 it could set up a big title match in London later in 2008, or early 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anderson Silva DOES have options in the UFC.</p>
<p>Okami is a good opponent, and they can build a story around their last fight which ended in a DQ.</p>
<p>Both Wanderlei and Shogun could easily make 185, and both pose a significant threat to Anderson&#8217;s title reign. </p>
<p>Bisping is still popular both in North America and in the UK, so if he&#8217;s established with a couple wins at 185 it could set up a big title match in London later in 2008, or early 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomer Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomer Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before Silva decides to focus 100% on a potential fight with Jones Jr. (which I&#039;m very iffy on whether or not it&#039;ll actually happen given that they are purportedly good friends and it&#039;s not like Silva or Jones is really strapped for cash ala John Henry Lewis getting one last payday against Joe Louis or Billy Miske against Jack Dempsey), he should focus on Yushin Okami since he&#039;s still there as a threat to his Middleweight crown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before Silva decides to focus 100% on a potential fight with Jones Jr. (which I&#8217;m very iffy on whether or not it&#8217;ll actually happen given that they are purportedly good friends and it&#8217;s not like Silva or Jones is really strapped for cash ala John Henry Lewis getting one last payday against Joe Louis or Billy Miske against Jack Dempsey), he should focus on Yushin Okami since he&#8217;s still there as a threat to his Middleweight crown.</p>
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