A) How many fights under the Shooto banner worldwide have occurred compared to professional and amateur boxing events worldwide? Do you seriously believe its worthy of comparison?

B) Which fighters from the first Shooto event in 1989 are still competing regularly? At all?

What is the standardized rule set for amateur MMA again? Who’s the governing body? Oh, wait….

“10 pro leagues”….lol. You really don’t get it, do you? There were 7 *professional* boxing cards that Boxrec had advance notice of today, a random Thursday in February. Tommorrow, there are 35 professional boxing cards in 14 countries, comprising each of the world’s 6 populated continents. That along with probably 3-4 amateur tournaments and meets internationally. Sherdog shows no events today, and 4 internationally tommorrow.

The point I’m making is that boxing’s obvious dangers don’t make it an approvable thing of bashing an already KOed opponent. As MMA gains in talent pool and events more deaths WILL invariably happen. Actions like Smith’s increae negative scrutiny on MMA.

If the sport proves it cannot conduct itself with reasonable safety problems will follow. D.Capitated and I are on the precise same page. Because boxing is more dangerous stat wise than MMA doesn’t make it a good thing that you have Smith’s actions going on without any dangers either.

“Tells you the longetivity of a decent MMA fighter.”

Speaks more to Shooto’s effort to do things correctly imo.

How many deaths have there been in Shooto? Exactly my point, and as I said before, Shooto has been around since 1989, and not a single ring-related death. Hell, many of the fighters who fought on the first however so many shows still fight, as you mentioned. Tells you the longetivity of a decent MMA fighter.

Just compare US data with US data if you can’t extrapolate data. MMA is blowing up and it’s almost as big as boxing at the amateur level now. But you’ll deny that as well.

The world’s flat and there’s no global warming. Cumulative punches to the head is less dangerous than quick KO’s.

What about every other professional bout in the 100+ countries that held them in 2007? And amateur fight, of which there were tens of thousands more? The point was to show that a single amateur tournament (albiet the biggest) had twice as many bouts as the biggest promotion did in an entire calendar year. In fact, if you combine the total of EliteXC fights with UFC, you probably still don’t top 419. Now think of every national and international amateur event in the world. There were hundreds last year, all in tournament format.

And boxing has ten counts, standing eight counts, etc.

Shooto has ten counts. Shooto has standing 8s. Shooto has 8 oz gloves. You guys know this, right? Right?

Reasons boxing is more dangerous? Repeated blows to the head over 4-12 round fights. 3 minutes a piece (2 minutes for female fights and amatuer fights). MMA? Different feds have different rules, but usually 3-5 rounds and 3-5 minutes a piece. Since many MMAists aren’t exactly world-class punchers, you may see 20 punches landed between both fighters in an entire fight, whereas you may see punches landed from ONE fighter in ONE fast paced round. And don’t forget submissions and the availability to tap out don’t exaclty give fighters concussions. And boxing has ten counts, standing eight counts, etc. which gives fighters the opportunity to take further punishment. MMA, 8 times out of ten when a guy gets knocked on his ass or back the ref will stop it right then and there. I’m sorry there is no comaprison.

Over what period? Amateur, Professional, smokers? You thought giving boxing a figure of 100X as many bouts as MMA was being “kind”, its probably close to realistic if you want to combine everything. Really want to play with numbers? The number of fighters in amateur and professional boxing who died according to your figures would likely be below that of MMA in 2007 on a ratio of deaths per bout, which was probably MMA’s peak year in terms of overall events.

Why are boxing fans so defensive about their sport?

Why are MMA fans so gung ho about trying to prove their sport’s immense safety when there’s virtually no way to determine it aside from the minimal figures doled out? That fighters may be subject to less neurological damage is purely a guess based on the likelihood of how many fights one may have in a year being equivalent among the two, or in a lifetime. Hell, the dominant lower weight class MMA organization in the world borrows a rule from boxing that supposedly makes boxing significantly more dangerous while alternately having more heavily padded gloves. Are they just lucky no one died? Or are people willing to name drop them without knowing having actually watched them? Maybe if 8oz have thumbs, they distribute force more evenly?

Nick Lembo from the NJSAC. But whatever, what do they know.