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Dana White on Choi Hong-Man
By Zach Arnold | February 4, 2008
Audio evidence here at the 6:20 mark…
Dana calls Choi Hong-Man “long duck dong.” Not since Phil Baroni mocked Yoon Dong-Sik as “pork fried rice” have we had quite an insensitive remark from a top MMA voice (outside of Japan, anyways — the garbage Yoshihiro Akiyama has had to put up with is ridiculous, as well).
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Unless “long duck dong” has some historical racist meaning, it sounds like he just forgot his name and came up with a funny sounding alternative. How is it insensitive?
Let’s nt make more of it than what it is.
That is 100% racist. You shouldnt even need to argue abiut it.
Doesn’t the phrase “long duck dong” come from the movie Sixteen Candles? I just went to imdb. Gedde Watanabe’s character is listed as Long Duk Dong. Doesn’t Molly Ringwald’s little brother in the movie give Gedde’s character that name?
For Asian audiences who aren’t familiar with that movie, Dana’s comments probably sounds really bad. For the head of an MMA organization to make a percieved ethnic slur- not good. There are/have been so many good asian fighters in MMA. They deserve more respect than that.
I laughed.
Is anyone really surprised? Dana is a thug dressed in a suit (and occasionally in one of those assclown Affliction shirts).
I also heard that after Dana White made the racist comment, he pulled the corners of his eyes back with his fingers, and said “Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these!”
But no, I’m not surprised. Dropping the F-bomb, making gay jokes, insulting an entire race of people…all par for the course when class-act Dana White is behind a microphone.
Unless “long duck dong” has some historical racist meaning, it sounds like he just forgot his name and came up with a funny sounding alternative. How is it insensitive?
From now on because i can’t remember your nickname Az correctly, i’ll call you ASS … would that remotely considerate?
Dana’s comments were NOT racist! Why are people so quick to break out the race card?!
Dana’s remark was making fun of Hong Man Choi’s *** NAME ***, NOT his race!
Jesus Christ, people! Chris Berman makes fun of players names every week during football season on ESPN! Is he a racialist, guilty of committing racism, too!
Lighten up, people!
Well I heard one time Sakakibara held a press conference just after it was announced that they’d sold PRIDE to Zuffa and he pulled his eyes as open as possible and said, “hot dogs, baseball, hot dogs, baseball - howdy partner!”
HERO’S once had a promo for Antonio Silva where they paired up video of him training with video of gorilla’s doing gorilla things.
*gorillas - bad grammar on my part
Classy.
HERO’S once had a promo for Antonio Silva where they paired up video of him training with video of gorilla’s doing gorilla things.
K-1’s promotion of Bob Sapp was enormously racist. Oddly, no talk about that…
The Japanese — by American standards — are very racist, especially concerning blacks and Koreans.
But that doesn’t absolve White’s stupidity. This is not the same situation as Berman saying “Amani ‘It’s Not A’ Toomer”.
There is an insulting racial connotation to calling an Asian person “Long Duck Dong”.
Is this a big deal? Not really. But to deny that it is a racial insult is pure stupidity.
“Dana’s comments were NOT racist! Why are people so quick to break out the race card?!
Dana’s remark was making fun of Hong Man Choi’s *** NAME ***, NOT his race!
Jesus Christ, people! Chris Berman makes fun of players names every week during football season on ESPN! Is he a racialist, guilty of committing racism, too!
Lighten up, people!”
Are you really that dense? Of course it was racist! Yes, he made fun of his name with a silly Korean-sounding name, and it was racist. I thought it was kind of funny (I’m not very PC) and it’s fine if you thought it was funny, but to deny it was racist is just plain stupidity. It would be the equivalent of calling a Japanese person “Yamamoto” only because it is a very Japanese name. Yes, I know Yamamoto is an atual Japanese name, but it was in old Bugs Bunny cartoons (Bugs Bunny would make fun of Japanese soldiers in World War II, complete with the buck-teeth, slant eyes, and yellow skin).
How anyone can defend this as being anything other than racist is beyond my comprehension. It’s absolutely no different than Rosie O’Donnell saying she say something on Asian tv and then doing her translation as, “ching chong, wing wong, ding dong.”
I think we’re passed the days of taping our eyes back, having buck teeth and saying “me likey”…having said that, is it any surprise this idiot would say anything less?
HMC would whoop dana’s ass in no time…
Explain to me what negative thing the nickname “long duck dong” says about Korean people? What steoreotype or prejudiced belief does it invoke? None. There’s no insult in there about Korean people or East Asian people.
You’re all so paranoid about cultural differences, you break out the race card at any opporunity you get.
And for ttt, you could call me ass if you forgot my nick. It would be mean, but it wouldn’t be racist.
It’s racist because it is mocking their language. It is also racist because it is assaulting all Asians without regard to their nationality. Long Duck Dong is not even a Korean name. But hey, they all look the same to me, right?
Long Duk Dong is the name of the Asian character in the film Sixteen Candles indeed. Good memory. I loved that movie.
Dana White would have been able to get away with that comment in the 80s when it was more socially acceptable to parody Asians in the mainstream media (as in the movie Sixteen Candles). In the 21st century, in an era of Political Correctness, comments like that are going to generate controversy.
Dana shouldn’t have used those words though. In fact Dana shouldn’t be saying half the stuff that comes out of his mouth period. This only goes to show why Zuffa never really make an effort to give the Japanese and Koreans more opportunities in the UFC. They probably feel that Asian fighters aren’t marketable because of the American stereotype that Asian men aren’t as tough as Black or Caucasian men. Aside from Gono, Chonan and Kazuhiro Nakamura, the UFC hasn’t done a good job of bringing in quality Japanese fighters. That’s why it doesn’t surprise me at all that the UFC won’t have Gomi, Sakurai and other big Japanese names.
And yes, to be fair to Zuffa and American society, it’s true that Japanese society tends to be guilty of this kind of crap too. The Japanese tend to be less tolerant of other races (Blacks especially) and ethnic groups (ie. Koreans) than Americans. The Japanese just aren’t as vocal about it and Japan has very few non-Japanese minorities so racism isn’t being made a big deal over there like it is in America, which is much more diverse.
Wtf are you talking about, cyphron? How is it mocking all Asians, you twit?
And it does sound Korean. Look at the Korean presidential cabinet:
President Roh Moo-hyun
President-elect Lee Myung-bak
Prime Minister Han Duck-soo
Three mono-syllabic words, exactly like Long Duck Dong.
He’s mocking Choi, and that’s it. God, you’re all so fucking pathetic, getting bent out of shape because someone pointed out people in another country have different names than you.
Dave2, you brought up more racist garbage than anyone else, which is exactly what this is about. Your hidden prejudices making you see racism where there is none.
Those comments are racist. But never mind that, the man is a total homophobe. How can a man who runs an organisation such as the UFC and continually makes anti-gay remarks openly, as well as thiS level of racism, expect to be taken seriously on a wider level across the world, including on network television, where there really are QUEERS~!!
Fire Dana.
“K-1’s promotion of Bob Sapp was enormously racist. Oddly, no talk about that…”
Except that people do talk about that and comment on how messed up it was. I learned of it on this very site.
As for Dana, racist comment with out a doubt. Not horrible over the top racist but still totally wrong for the head of a company to be saying shit like that. Imagine how it must feel to be a S.Korean or other Asian fighter and having your boss saying shit like that.
So if I call him Dana Black instead of Dana White, am I being racist? I can’t even tell anymore.
Is Dana part of a minority group that has been excluded and spat by the government? (Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internments, etc.)
If not, then you’re not a racist.
Here’s a “great” ad that probably inspired Dana’s comments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsk3fZc2J_I
What trash.
Of course, in all situations like these you have to consider a) the source, and b) the context.
that said, we all know Dana White didn’t just ’slip up’, or have a momentary lapse in judgment. He’s a foulmouthed, homophobic jerk who doesn’t care what anyone thinks - and this certainly wasn’t a first offense in terms of being insulting and rude.
So no, I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
To the people who claim that White’s remark is not racist, would you feel same if he dismissively referred to Sokoudjou as “Kunta Kinte”?
It’s been said for years that Dana White doesn’t conduct himself professionally enough as the UFC President. The UFC is the size of a mid-market baseball team right? Dana needs to act like he’s the president of an organization of that size.
And for those of you who said the UFC wasn’t trying to screw Arlovski over as much as humanly possible as he heads to free agency…Arlovski’s fight with Jake O’Brien (if that wasn’t insulting enough) is now a pre-lim fight!
I’d love to hear the people who said I was “hating” on Zuffa and “trolling” respond to this one.
“To the people who claim that White’s remark is not racist, would you feel same if he dismissively referred to Sokoudjou as “Kunta Kinte”?”
Excellent point.
if that happened, it would be on the front page of every major newspaper in America, Dana White would be crucified in the press, and within 10 seconds Al Sharpton would be lobbying to have MMA banned in every state because the sport is now racist.
For the sake of the sport, please Dana - do not pull a Kramer. we’re begging you.
MMA fans have a significant racist contingent to them. Always have and always will. Dana’s remarks are neither shocking or unexpected.
And LOL at all the ‘how is it racist’ comments. Even more funny pointing out Bob Sapp’s adventures in Japan as if that some how dismisses White’s obvious racism. Have to say that went precisely as expected.
What was a stretch was the making fun of name excuse - now that was both ridiculous and racist. Why bother making excuses? You may as well all be honest and embrace your own bigotry.
I’d love to hear the people who said I was “hating” on Zuffa and “trolling” respond to this one.
Ha, good, lets get back to MMA. I condemn Dana for his off-the cuff racist comments, but there’s no way I condemn him for this.
If Arlovski is going to go elsewhere, why should the UFC help build his popularity by putting him on the main card?
It makes sense if the UFC’s goal is to help itself and hinder the competitors.
But as an MMA fan, yeah, it sucks big time to not see him on the PPV.
Back to MMA? May be you should check the topic.
See comment number 2.
“nt” is a typo, I meant “not”
This site is getting as bad as sherdog. Too bad they banned me…
Why does it matter? He would not be the first American to do that nor will he be the last. Dana White is a known shit talker, how does this surprise anyone? This is tabloid trash, back to real stories please.
Arlovski making a risky, but smart move by becoming a free agent and seeing what kind of offers he gets. This puts him in much better negotiating position with Zuffa then if he signed again without knowing his open market value.
Zuffa for their part is playing hardball by giving him an opponent that no one wants to fight and by relagating it to the undercard to not further increase his stock. This makes good business sense because why would Zuffa promote a guy who could leave them? They want to counter Arlovski’s move and control his value as best they can before going back to table.
Of course Zuffa cannot decide the outcomes of fights and it is huge incentive for Arlovski to not fight boring and win in exciting fashion to further increase his ranking and stock with fans.
There’s an intricate game of negotiation being played by both sides here and its rather naive of Gaijin to characterize this as Zuffa trying to “screw” Arlovski.
My money is on Arlovski resigning with Zuffa. IFL and ProElite can’t pay him what he wants as they are both bleeding cash. I think ultimately Zuffa will cave and give him more or less what he wants and we’ll see Arlovski back in the title picture. Arlovski vs Nog is a headliner I’d love to see.
Except that people do talk about that and comment on how messed up it was. I learned of it on this very site.
It might very well have been from me, since I’m apparently the only one disgusted.
The talk about how people are using the mention of japanese fight promotion and its absurd racism as a “deflection” are kidding themselves. The fake outrage at a Dana White quote here has reached epic proportions.
ProElite has Showtime money backing it. If Showtime wants Arlovski, they’ll pay for him.
Az is a complete idiot. Of course this has elements of racism. I’m not saying Dana is racist, but comments like this do make him look very bad. It would be the equivalent of Dana calling a Hispanic fighter “Juan Valdez” or a black fighter “Leroy” because he forgot their names. Apparently Dana thought it was funny to mock a culture.
I think someone needs to kick Dana in the teeth once in a while. He really says some stupid stuff and as the president of a huge organization, he needs to watch his ignorant mouth.
Typical. People say this shit isin’t racist. Of course if Dana made fun of the name of a black guy or mexican the media would be up in a fucking frenzy. Typical that the Asians still don’t get the “equal treatment” that other races get.
That fucking dyke bitch Rosie O’Donnell got away with her racist remarks, and people defended her like her publicist saying “Oh that’s just her style.”
This “let’s treat Asians like shit” attitude has gone far enough in America. I mean what the fuck? You’re still sore over the Hiroshima bombings? Or do Asians have to act like thugs/gangsta and rap about fucking white women to get special treatment around here? Hell even the illegal Mexicans have more rights than the Asians and the Asians actually get into the fucking country LEGALLY. And the fact that thye try to contribute to society in a positive way. Unlike the OTHERS…It’s total fucking hypocritcal bullshit.
Now I have defended Dana before, especially with calling Gary Millen a quote “fucking homo” mostly cause that’s what Millen is, but this is fucking stupid on his behalf.
ProElite does not have Showtime money behind it right now. Showtime is basically paying some production costs. Nothing more, nothing less. to sign Arlovski for more then he is being offered in the UFC will financially hurt Pro Elite.
ProElite does not have Showtime money behind it right now. Showtime is basically paying some production costs. Nothing more, nothing less. to sign Arlovski for more then he is being offered in the UFC will financially hurt Pro Elite.
It only hurts ProElite if he doesn’t help them draw viewers or establish the legitimacy of the organization, which is the whole point of signing him in the first place.
Long Duck Dong came from the movie “Sixteen Candles” and it’s not “racist”.
If calling hime Long Duck Dong is racsit, and comparing it to others like the guy above did with Soko being called “Kunta Kinte”… then would you agree that calling a white guy “Billy Bob Joe” from “the trailer park” is racist?
It’s the same damn thing. So if that’s not racist, then neither is “Long Duck Dong”. This crap goes both ways, or it doesn’t go at all.
“There’s an intricate game of negotiation being played by both sides here and its rather naive of Gaijin to characterize this as Zuffa trying to “screw” Arlovski.”
Well obviously it’s not an outright screwjob ala Vince McMahon or something like that where a referee calls off a fight for the other guy.
But he’s been held out of a fight since beating Werdum, Werdum is now next in line (tentatively) for a title shot and Arlovski is fighting on a prelim undercard for his last fight, against a human blanket no less.
I’d say they’re definitely trying to “screw” his bargaining position as much as they possibly can.
“If calling hime Long Duck Dong is racsit, and comparing it to others like the guy above did with Soko being called “Kunta Kinte”… then would you agree that calling a white guy “Billy Bob Joe” from “the trailer park” is racist?”
Yes, yes it is. If someone said that, they’d be stereotyping the people and the culture of a certain region of the USA.
The biggest news in the sport today is the fact that the UFC sold 13,000 tickets already to their Montreal Show. And yet all people can talk about is this stupid stuff.
I don’t think that’s a huge surprise, it’s the first event in Canada and MMA has become pretty damned popular here. Not to mention GSP is a Montreal boy who made his name in Quebec in the TKO organization.
The biggest surprise is that the average price for a ticket was something re-donk-ulous like $550 - about double what they’re going for in Ohio(? - UFC 82). And quite frankly the card isn’t that great…they seemed to pull a few of the more intriguing fights and shoehorned in every Canadian they have on the roster.
So you support or don’t care about White’s remarks?
There’s a difference between making fun of a fighter and using an ethnic/racial slur. White should have known better.
Zach, while White’s comment was definitely inappropriate, I wouldn’t define it as a racial slur.
“That fucking dyke bitch Rosie O’Donnell got away with her racist remarks, and people defended her like her publicist saying “Oh that’s just her style.””
HAHAHA! Dude, you just totally shot yourself in the foot here. You are talking about racism and whatnot, and then you call Rosie O’Donnell a “dyke”. I know it has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, but it is name-calling a group of people, and it goes against the tolerance point you were getting at.
“If calling hime Long Duck Dong is racsit, and comparing it to others like the guy above did with Soko being called “Kunta Kinte”… then would you agree that calling a white guy “Billy Bob Joe” from “the trailer park” is racist?
It’s the same damn thing. So if that’s not racist, then neither is “Long Duck Dong”. This crap goes both ways, or it doesn’t go at all.”
Absolutely. I agree 100%. Not only is calling someone “Billy Joe Bob” demeaning to white people, it is also demeaning to people in the South, and anyone else living in “country” areas. And I do agree that either it should al be allowed, or none of it allowed. No special treatment to anyone.
So is Arlovski “screwing” with Zuffa by not signing? Arlovski has his people looking out for his best interests and the Zuffa is looking out for what’s best for them. You can call this evil or “screwing” with someone, but this is what all corporations do and there’s nothing morally or ethically wrong with it if laws aren’t being broken and human rights aren’t being violated.
Why do you think so many people that the UFC “screwed” resigned with them? Penn, Pulver, Okami, Ortiz, Shamrock. Couture (after the first time he left). Because they understand that its not evil for a company to protect its own interests. It’s not personal. It’s business as people like to say.
You can call this evil or “screwing” with someone, but this is what all corporations do and there’s nothing morally or ethically wrong with it if laws aren’t being broken and human rights aren’t being violated.
Yes, the ethics of trying to destroy someone’s selling power before resigning them are totally okay because it doesn’t break the Geneva Convention. Absurd.
I didn’t shot myself in the foot. Simply cause that’s what Rosie is and she deserves to be called for that. Hell if she can get away with racist comments and insulting others on live TV, I should be able to do the same thing to that hypocrite. Yeah she’s a hypocrite cause she wants equal treatment for gays but doesn’t treat others equally. Chuck, are you more comfortable if I call Rosie a “raging heterophobe”? Is that less offensive for you?
What you are all forgeting is that Dana White is a BUSINESS MAN. You see? BUSINESS! Don’t you know that racism sells payperviews? I bet you that these MONEYMARKS and stupid competitors just WISH that they could have thought of calling someone a chink…
But seriously folks. The homophobia and racism in the comments is pretty stupid.
From a fan’s perspective, I hate the way they are treating Arlovski. He’s definitely a personal top 5 of man and has been since he destroyed Cabbage whose head is filled with “cement and stuff” (please)
From the perspective of someone who understands business, icing Arlovski out, no title shot, and a final prelim bout makes perfect sense.
Of course, watching pro wrestling for almost 20 years has gotten me accustomed to seeing Razor Ramon in a diaper with 1-2-3 Kid standing triumphant a scant three months before Scott Hall shows up on Nitro.
man=mine
Total Freudian slip. I have a HUGE mancrush on The Pitbull.
“I didn’t shot myself in the foot. Simply cause that’s what Rosie is and she deserves to be called for that. Hell if she can get away with racist comments and insulting others on live TV, I should be able to do the same thing to that hypocrite. Yeah she’s a hypocrite cause she wants equal treatment for gays but doesn’t treat others equally. Chuck, are you more comfortable if I call Rosie a “raging heterophobe”? Is that less offensive for you?”
HEHE dude calm down. I wasn’t offended at all by your comment. I thought it was kind of funny (like I did with dana White’s comment. The man has balls). I was just saying that you were posting about tolerance to other people, but you called Rosie O’Donnell a dyke. Yes I do think she’s an unfunny hypocrite. Most tolerance activists are hypocrites. If they want rights for a certain group of people, they don’t really care about others. Al Sharpton probably doesn’t care too much about Asians or whites. Louis Farakhan (spelling?) doesn’t care for Jews especially. I know for a fact most Jewish rights groups and people sure as HELL don’t care much for Muslims and Middle Easterners (I am Arab, half to be exact), and the adverse is true with these two aforementioned groups too. Hell, Mahatma Gandhi was a full blown racist against black people. Harvey Milk I’m sure only cared for homosexuals.
It totally sucks I know, but it is what it is. Dana White’s comments are nothing to throw your arms up over, but it was an ignorant comment, albeit kind of funny. Rosie’s Asian parody was painfully unfunny though.
The reaching of racist apologists is hilarious. What else is Dana White’s racist sputtering going to be compared to? We’ve had K-1, Rosie O’Donnell, and notable favored white targets Sharpton and Farrakhan.
How that some how excuses White and makes him look less sloppy and unprofessional is at best osmosis. When Rosie, Farrakhan and any one else you care to compare to run a major fight promotion let me know. Otherwise you can throw that out with every other apologist effort for for White’s obvious racist overtones.
Let’s be honest here White does it and UFC casual fans support it. If Bob Arum came out tomorrow and said ‘ Lil Pedro’ referring to Citron is a bum fighting Margarito what do you think would happen? The outcry would be so severe as a promoter Arum would be finished. Hence, no matter what Arum’s true feelings are that sort of banter goes on unspoken.
Is Dana White in huge trouble for spewing his irrational rants with regularity now interspersed with racist overtones? Obviously not. While his audio clip has made the rounds of forums and blogs about MMA, most major MMA news sites haven’t reported the story at all. About 70 % of UFC’s target audience that does know of White’s ‘long duck dong’ statement don’t care or find it perfectly ok.
It’s hilarious how one obvious and unshocking racial slur from White generates such out of context comparisons. One thing that is very revealing is the biggest promoter of MMA still has a stranglehold on the demographic that supports this mode of speech and approves of it. Dana White was precisely speaking to his audience.
Whoa there cowboy! Are you insinuating that I am a racist and/or an apologist? I am not supporting White, and he should have known better. But his comments are no worse than when Bernard Hopkins recently said “I refuse to lose to a white man”. Don’t take such an asinine statement such as White’s seriously. Who really takes Dana White seriously with stupid comments like this? I commend White having balls to state such things, but it is nothing to celebrate or agree with. This isn’t cut and dry as to you either fully support Dana White, or you hate his guts because of it (there are better reasons to hate Dana White). There are shades of gray you know.
Whoa there UK kid speaking on American race rhetoric. Yes, I am referring to you and all others trying to interlink Hopkins, K-1, Al Queda, Sharpton, and/or Adolf Hitler to Dana White’s spew. As if anything any of those people including Hopkins greenlights and racist overtures White feels comfortable spewing in a public forum.
In regards to Hopkins - As a figher he is spewing his rhetoric to obviously hype a bout between Calzaghe and himself. It doesn’t make it right but that is his role in this: not as a promoter and certainly not as a president of a fighting organization no less the biggest one in MMA.
You might note Golden Boy’s day to day ops are run by Richard Schaefer who is whiter than a ream of 100 count. In fact Hopkins often takes his marching orders from this very man.
It is very cut and dry how White’s record of screwing fighters, Fertita Brother’s multiple investigations by federal agencies, the growing XYience scandal and White’s foolish rhetoric and his willingness to share it in general paints a poor picture of MMA and casual fans equate the UFC with MMA. Go find the grey area and share it with me when you’re done kidding yourself.
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“It is very cut and dry how White’s record of screwing fighters, Fertita Brother’s multiple investigations by federal agencies, the growing XYience scandal and White’s foolish rhetoric and his willingness to share it in general paints a poor picture of MMA and casual fans equate the UFC with MMA. Go find the grey area and share it with me when you’re done kidding yourself.”
Remember when I said there are many other reasons to hate Dana White? Yeah, these are good reasons. The shades of gray I was speaking of had to do with his stupid comment. I meant it like you can have the opinion that it was a stupid comment and that he shouldn’t have said it, but it was still kind of funny and you can give him creds for having balls for saying something like that. You don’t have to have either cut-and-dry opinion (that he is right for what he said or that he is a mean white guy for saying it).
Funny you mention Golden Boy Promotions, because before Oscar De La Hoya created the company, he fought for Bob Arum, who is probably worse than Dana White. Do you remember whan De La Hoya left Arum? It was some years ago (I want to say 1999) De La Hoya said shit about Arum being a white guy. I forget what exactly (I only remember De la Hoya mentiong that he doesn’t have blue eyes and that he isn’t white. Like all white people have blue eyes). Who went up in arms for his comments? NO ONE!!!
Oh, and did you call me British? How do you think I am British? I was born and raised in America jack (unless I was adopted and my parents would have some explaining to do).
“So is Arlovski “screwing” with Zuffa by not signing? Arlovski has his people looking out for his best interests and the Zuffa is looking out for what’s best for them. You can call this evil or “screwing” with someone, but this is what all corporations do and there’s nothing morally or ethically wrong with it if laws aren’t being broken and human rights aren’t being violated.”
My main “beef” with this situation is that were this any other sport, especially one with a union (or one that valued treating employees with decency), this would be a major grievance. They are pulling all these shenanigans with him with the sole and express purpose of depressing his free agent value (and possibly to make an example to other fighters who might test the free agent market).
It’s not much different from a player heading to free agency and his team benching or scratching him for the remainder of a season to ruin his FA value, in order to keep him from signing with another team or to punish him by hurting his bargaining value. Another example might be back when there was no union in baseball and teams routinely screwed guys who were close on incentives bonuses by intentionally sitting them out so they could not reach those milestones.
It would not be allowed to happen in any other “professional” sport - THAT is what bothers me.
So a union can gurantee minutes from a coach/manager? What sports are you watching? Last time I checked, no union can dictate who makes the starting line up and not every player even makes the bench rotation. How many players in MLB, NFL and NBA get DNP in games?
Buddy, pull your head out of your ass.
Clearly there’s a difference b/w a player being sat for perfectly good reasons and a player being screwed over b/c they’re about to be a free agent.
Sorry this doesn’t fit inside your little bubble universe inside your head - but the situations described above have been subject to union grievances and are the reason unions were needed in sports in the first place.
For example:
A few years back - the Pittsburgh Penguins were going to send a young player down to the minors b/c he was about to reach certain incentive clauses in his contract that would have hit big bonuses.
Rumours crept up that they were planning on sending him to the minors, for the express purpose of stopping him from reaching these numbers. The union threatened action if this were to come to pass and the Penguins had to back down.
So again - my problem is that “professional” sports don’t permit this kind of conduct. Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to understand this argument or example because it might actually make sense.
“So a union can gurantee minutes from a coach/manager? What sports are you watching? Last time I checked, no union can dictate who makes the starting line up and not every player even makes the bench rotation. How many players in MLB, NFL and NBA get DNP in games?”
If you’re a major league union player, you aren’t guaranteed action but you still get paid either way. In MMA, if you get iced, you don’t get paid. In team sports, they pay out weekly salaries because of the nature of team sports (you have training sessions with your team and you play a game at least once a week for football and soccer, almost everyday in baseball and about every 2-3 days in basketball and hockey.) But in fight sports, you get your purse and if you don’t get a fight, you don’t get paid. That’s not a big deal if you have a non-exclusive contract but when you’re on an exclusive contract, it is.
In the UFC, I would like to see them guarantee fighters three fights a year in their exclusive contracts to avoid this Arlovski crap. The only exception would be temporary replacement fighters (who are only needed for 1 fight, maybe 2). This would at least ensure that the top fighters remain active and the “filler” on the UFC roster gets weeded out or at least relegated to Fight Nights and dark matches. With the way that UFC currently does their business, it’s not common to see a stacked card like you would see with PRIDE. With most PRIDE cards, you were guaranteed good fights top to bottom.
Gaijin,
I disagree that “icing” Arlovski is similar to demotion to prevent consummation of incentive clauses.
They’re technically giving him an “easy” fight; Jake O’Brien is unranked. But then if he can’t handle a one-dimensional, unranked wrestler, does he deserve big money?
They’re upholding their end of the contract. They’re giving him a last fight in the UFC and they’re letting him test the market. There was never a promise to Arlovski that every fight would be televised.
Koscheck/Hazelett also won’t be televised. That is more disappointing to me than missing out on O’Brien lay and praying AA for a decision.
When Larry Brown coached the Knicks in a disasterous season, he intensionally benched quality rookie draft picks, David Lee, Channing Frye and Nate Robinson for extended periods in the season. This not only lowered their market value, but also hampered their development as players.
But whatever. I’m done. I’m tired of being insulted by you and this is a waste of time. You win.
Did their rookie contracts involve certain “milestone incentive bonuses”? Were they eligible to be a free agent at the end of the year? And if yes to either, Was this done with the express intention of injuring their earning ability?
No(In the above mentioned cases).You’re totally missing out on the point. *sigh*
Go watch the movie 8 Men Out - you’ll understand what I mean. Pre-union era sports had management/ownership wilfully disrupting/injuring a player’s value or earning ability, for the sole purpose of injuring their value or ability to earn money. Not to “win games”, “make the playoffs” or anything other strategy even ancillary to that.
Their EXPRESS and EXPLICIT INTENTION was to injure their financial position or earning ability. This is what is happening here, this is what is unacceptable.
This is no doubt racist! If a person from the targeted group finds the comment offensive then that qualifies it as racist. And as an Asian myself i am offended by what Dana said. End of argument!
saying some ones name wrong does not make you racist.
You all are stupid. Who cares if he was makng fun of someones name. I’d make fun of every race if I knew enough jokes. Doesn’t mean I’m racst. DUMBASSES!
Ching Ching Chang Ching a-wring wriny ding dang dong. What do you know! I’m racist now! I just made fun of how chinese people talk. I would make fun of the stereotype of how white eople talk too, If it were funny!
Am i pissing any stupid crybabies off that find every little word some one rights about someone’s race and calls them a racist off yet? I hope so! Because you all are a bunch of piss-ant LOSER BITCHES who think it’s a big enough deal to give a fuck! Jesus, aint like I got no nigga hangin in my basement or nothin, shit!
Hahaha! I just noticed I was a year of this conversation. Ain’t that a bitch!