Yes, can’t you see how this argument works? It’s the most convenient explanation and therefore it’s true.

Proof that PRIDE fighters cheat is when they lose fights, when they are dominant and win fights – they are the exception. Except the “exception” is growing with each event.

“Damn, man. Just use some logic instead of arguing for argument’s sake!”

It’s just as easy to use logic to say that it’s been proven time and again that the AC testing is easily manipulated. So are we to believe people aren’t manipulating it b/c they are noble warriors with a strong sense of ethics?

My point being – the sword cuts both ways. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Fighters in the US are caught abusing drugs even when they are tested.

Fighters in Japan are not tested. Is it a reach of logic to conclude that there is rampant steroid abuse there, far more than they are here where steroid testing is implemented?

Are you saying that fighters fighting in Japan refrain from using steroids because they are noble warriors with a strong sense of ethics?

Damn, man. Just use some logic instead of arguing for argument’s sake!

Naw, it’s still MMA without them. Without them it is straying away from it’s foundations, when everyone was calling it Vale Tudo, which translates into “No Holds Barred”.

In the UFC it’s very common to see guys use elbows to cut a guy and you saw that a lot in UFC 80. No one wants to see a cut stoppage and it’s cheap to cut a guy intentionally with an elbow and then work a cut hoping for stoppage. Fans generally boo when fights end like that.

Yeah, there were a lot of cuts in UFC 80, but none of the fights were stopped because of it. I agree with what Big John said about elbows. The true spirit of MMA is about blending and utilizing anything that available. That’s what makes MMA so exciting because anything can happen. If you consider yourself a MMA purist, you have to support both elbows and knees because they both add a different dimension to the game. If you take away elbows and knees, it reduces your options and that’s moving away from what MMA is about.

I LOVE that this is the argument that’s always put up by people when it appears their shitty steroid argument doesn’t hold as much water as they thought it did before.

I guess in an organization where you just assume everyone was taking part in rampant steroid abuse, you then just change your argument to state that “everyone abused steroids in the organization….except for fighter A.” Right…the entire Chute Boxe team abused steroids and that was it! They were the only team that found the loophole in the system…*rolls eyes* This is the best argument you can come up with? Everyone cheated – except for the guys its most convenient for my argument to mean f*ck all.

Yep – that makes the most sense. It’s either one of two things:
*(a) Since it was known there was no testing – everyone was abusing the PEDs and so it was just as even a playing field b/c everyone was on something; or

*(b) it’s nowhere near the levels you’d love to make it out to be and likely isn’t any different than the current IQ test that happens in the US.

Funny that the argument just changes every time that it becomes convenient to change it.

Let me ask you a few brain teasers:

What’s the “performance enhancing drug of choice” amongst athletes these days? – HGH.

What’s a drug that’s never tested for in by any athletic commission in the US or in Japan?
- HGH.

What country has been proven at least in the last 10 years (if not for longer) to be among the worst, if not the worst of “doping” nations?
- The US.

What country has maybe the easiest access to illicit PED’s via one of the most porous borders w/ the most unregulated medical system in the free world?
- The US via Mexico.

But hey – it’s the one team from Brazil, fighting in Japan that’s breaking all the rules.

Convenient and horseshit argument you have there isn’t it?

“I love how on Inside MMA, every fighter they asked about elbows has no issue with it and despite all the great points that they raise in support of it, Bas is adamantly against elbows.”
Frank Shamrock is also against elbows on the ground. He’s ok with them used in standing Muay Thai though.

Sylvia did about as well as Prime Mirko Cro Cop did, people. I doubt many people will want to make comparisons of 2003 Cro Cop and Big Tim though.