HAHAHAHA That’s is the single most hilarious thing I’ve ever read on a MMA or pro wrestling message baord.

Zach – please put this on the main page of the site where you put the most retarded quotes you can find from dilusional people. This one is a classic.

But this assumes that when push comes to shove after the announcement of Noguiera/Sylvia (should it occur) that they’re still going to push Lesnar first. They might. They very well might not. There’s a poster looking thing and a press release with one fight named.

Secondly, I think its pretty fair to say that UFC has absolutely NO faith in Sylvia to draw PPVs. They’ve relied on his challengers to be the “draw” in his top billing fights (Arlovski & Couture were the focal points and he had Ortiz as a co-main twice) or he was relegated down the chart under bigger draws (i.e. Hughes-GSP). I’m pretty certain that they wouldn’t have faith in Big Saliva vs. Foreign fighter (who doesnt speak the language and that we never promote), especially when they’ve got their pet Mir and a marketable and known name in the US in Lesnar.

Lesnar is barely a known or marketable name. He’s gotten zero mainstream press outside the usual Iole/Meltzer channels. He was a pro wrestler a few years ago in the US and headlined a Wrestlemania that had a disturbingly low buyrate. Mir being their “pet” is largely due to the fact that he was, you know, champion. As for them expecting Sylvia to draw, I don’t think they expect him by himself to, but throw in words like “heavyweight championship” and they’re gonna cross their fingers and hope for the best.

Love it or hate it, Lesnar was a successful pro wrestler who made lots of money and drew a large audience. He’s an american, has a good “look” and the UFC could market the HELL out of him, when they feel like it their marketing machine is pretty awesome…I think its safe to say they’re probably relying on a lot of outside interest in “how will this pro wrestler do in mma?” to sell the event. Plus it’s a no lose situation for them to create a legit contender from the winner of this fight.

Let’s review the facts here. Mir is fighting Lesnar because the NSAC wouldn’t let him fight Sylvia. Beating a 1-0 ex-pro wrestler might not get him an immediate title shot, and as everyone is deftly aware, Mir has looked shitty 3 of his last 4 times out post crash. If Lesnar wins, Mir’s a nice scalp, but he’s still a couple fights away from a title shot and given his relative inexperience in the sport, its hardly impossible to think that he may just lose fighting top level opposition in the UFC.

Basically, Lesnar/Mir is a nice way of checking to see if Lesnar is at least on Dan Christison’s level right now, which he might be. That’s not championship contender level, no matter how popular he was in pro wrestling nearly 4 years ago.

My *initial* point, was that Shamrock-squared is no less “legit” a main event than that fight, but given the fact that mma is also a business, I don’t fault them for running fights that are profitable and appealing to a wider audience yet still have some air of legitimacy (vs. some freakshows that would certainly draw, but be terrible for the sport).

Secondly, I think its pretty fair to say that UFC has absolutely NO faith in Sylvia to draw PPVs. They’ve relied on his challengers to be the “draw” in his top billing fights (Arlovski & Couture were the focal points and he had Ortiz as a co-main twice) or he was relegated down the chart under bigger draws (i.e. Hughes-GSP). I’m pretty certain that they wouldn’t have faith in Big Saliva vs. Foreign fighter (who doesnt speak the language and that we never promote), especially when they’ve got their pet Mir and a marketable and known name in the US in Lesnar.

Love it or hate it, Lesnar was a successful pro wrestler who made lots of money and drew a large audience. He’s an american, has a good “look” and the UFC could market the HELL out of him, when they feel like it their marketing machine is pretty awesome…I think its safe to say they’re probably relying on a lot of outside interest in “how will this pro wrestler do in mma?” to sell the event. Plus it’s a no lose situation for them to create a legit contender from the winner of this fight.

Given past opinions and where you’re obviously going with this, what else did you anticipate me concluding from your statements?

My point is that every PPV (or free TV show just so your panties don’t get any further bunched up) the UFC runs, they announce their main event fight first, then start building the rest of the card around that.

At this point, the UFC runs monthly fight cards (apparently this will be on PPV, so I read, for $44.95) regardless of whether or not they have big fights to put on them. By all accounts in the last month, Dana White and the Fertittas had Couture/Noguiera as their ideal fight and Noguiera/Sylvia as a backup in case he couldn’t come back. Couture turned them down officially about two-three weeks ago. Noguiera/Sylvia is known to be proposed but it is unknown on behalf of all of the participants as to whether or not its actually going to occur.

I’ve got ZERO against them for using Lesnar vs. Mir as the main event, that will FAR out draw anything else that could be on that card given fighters’ schedules.

None of the guys on the card, including Sylvia or Noguiera, are proven draws in the US. How would it be established that Lesnar/Mir would be bigger than a heavyweight fight to determine a new champion? Should we record crowd noise?

Oh ok, semantics – what fight do you think will draw the “Buys”/”Ratings”/”Advertisers”/”Commericals”/”Neilsen families”/”Live gate” etc. etc.??

I don’t think any of them will, to be honest. If they go with Sylvia/Noguiera and Mir/Lesnar as the co-feature, they’ll do 250,000-330,000 buys off it being a UFC and no more than that. Especially at $45.

Right, b/c anything I said previously had to do with pro wrestling?? You and your pro wrestling buddy…My point is that every PPV (or free TV show just so your panties don’t get any further bunched up) the UFC runs, they announce their main event fight first, then start building the rest of the card around that. I’m sure there will be other fights announced for that card, maybe even Sylvia vs. Nog for the interim belt and likely it will be the last fight of the card chronologically. But who’s kidding who about what fight is going to be the “main attraction”?

I’ve got ZERO against them for using Lesnar vs. Mir as the main event, that will FAR out draw anything else that could be on that card given fighters’ schedules. NOTHING TO DO WITH PRO WRESTLING – so stop bringing up points that have absolutely nothing to do with what I’ve said as some way of trying to shoot me down.

“Will there be buys? What does the poster tell you in that regard?”

Oh ok, semantics – what fight do you think will draw the “Buys”/”Ratings”/”Advertisers”/”Commericals”/”Neilsen families”/”Live gate” etc. etc.??

Any way you cut it, your argument is shite. We all get it – you hate pro wrestling!!!!

What non-point? That there’s one fight that they have announced? That perhaps they’re going to go with another main event instead? That the decision to pull the trigger on Sylvia/Nogueria may have occurred late because they attempted in vain to lure Couture back for a defense agaonst Big Nog? None of this is true or even concievable, of course, because Brock Lesnar is on a early unofficial version of a poster and Sylvia/Noguiera isn’t when its not even been announced and may not even have been signed.

Apparently the UFC has decided THIS would be the one PPV that they didn’t announce the main event far in advance and then build the rest of the card around it, just so that you could be right.

Or there could be a rational explaination for it other than some rehash of the tired pro wrestling/MMA argument as far as it extends to the US.

Is Nog/Sylvia finalized or is it not?

I have no idea. Neither do you. The assumption on the part of many that it is, though the UFC hasn’t announced it yet.

Meanwhile Mir vs. Lesnar has been announced for over a month, they’ve been hyping it on free TV and have it on their posters.

Because its signed. And because, perhaps, Sylvia/Noguiera for the interim belt is a backup plan. Hell, there are still rumors this is going to be on CBS. Does the poster state that its on PPV, CBS, Spike or anything?

Tell me – what fight do you think will be the one drawing all the buys?

Will there be buys? What does the poster tell you in that regard?

Apparently the UFC has decided THIS would be the one PPV that they didn’t announce the main event far in advance and then build the rest of the card around it, just so that you could be right. As I’ve already said, we ALL know which fight is going to be getting the marquee, stop trying to be “that guy” that needs to disagree with everyone on every point b/c you’ve got some inferiority complex.

Is Nog/Sylvia finalized or is it not? You already contradicted yourself within 2 posts on the same thread. Meanwhile Mir vs. Lesnar has been announced for over a month, they’ve been hyping it on free TV and have it on their posters. But obviously you’re always right…so the announced/unannounced fight, for the belt or maybe not the belt, is clearly the main event.

Tell me – what fight do you think will be the one drawing all the buys?