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	<title>Comments on: Wednesday war room: WEC on Versus tonight</title>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/12/wednesday-war-room-wec-on-versus-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-44872</link>
		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rami (FightMetric),

I can definitely see where you&#039;re coming from and I agree; I only meant to point out that you will never escape the subjective nature of MMA scoring.  I think you have a good thing going and I hope you keep it up and don&#039;t burn yourself out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rami (FightMetric),</p>
<p>I can definitely see where you&#8217;re coming from and I agree; I only meant to point out that you will never escape the subjective nature of MMA scoring.  I think you have a good thing going and I hope you keep it up and don&#8217;t burn yourself out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/12/wednesday-war-room-wec-on-versus-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-44863</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stoppage for Filho there.

Guess the ref wasn&#039;t interested in seeing bone splintering in his cage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stoppage for Filho there.</p>
<p>Guess the ref wasn&#8217;t interested in seeing bone splintering in his cage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/12/wednesday-war-room-wec-on-versus-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-44862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when does Cage Rage drug test, btw?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when does Cage Rage drug test, btw?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/12/wednesday-war-room-wec-on-versus-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-44860</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is WEC using larger gloves?

Damn, this is annoying, Versus in the hotel has about a 7 to 8 second audio delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is WEC using larger gloves?</p>
<p>Damn, this is annoying, Versus in the hotel has about a 7 to 8 second audio delay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/12/wednesday-war-room-wec-on-versus-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-44859</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WEC live.  Light Heavy belt on tap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WEC live.  Light Heavy belt on tap.</p>
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		<title>By: PizzaChef</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/12/wednesday-war-room-wec-on-versus-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-44858</link>
		<dc:creator>PizzaChef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Stalker by the way not Stoker.  Did he use the kancho in his match?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Stalker by the way not Stoker.  Did he use the kancho in his match?</p>
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		<title>By: dragomort</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragomort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Stoker Ichikawa :( I was looking forward to the crowd reaction of him appearing at a UFC!

That is impressive work, Rami. It provides some very interesting data to look at and I&#039;m glad there&#039;s someone dedicated and patient enough to do it for all of our benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Stoker Ichikawa <img src='http://www.fightopinion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  I was looking forward to the crowd reaction of him appearing at a UFC!</p>
<p>That is impressive work, Rami. It provides some very interesting data to look at and I&#8217;m glad there&#8217;s someone dedicated and patient enough to do it for all of our benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: FightMetric</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/12/wednesday-war-room-wec-on-versus-tonight/comment-page-1/#comment-44855</link>
		<dc:creator>FightMetric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grape Knee High:

I hear where you’re coming from. Just to clarify, HiPer and LoPer are groupings of different strike variations, not classifications of individual strikes. So for instance, every power strike to the head is a HiPer Strike, whereas a power strike to the body is only HiPer on the feet but not on the ground. This is simple event counting, so it&#039;s no more subjective than our usual method of separating power strikes from jabs.

I think that&#039;s what your real issue lays and I can&#039;t disagree. The scorer has to make the decision of how to classify a strike, a submission attempt, or the level of damage. We can minimize, but not eliminate, that level of subjectivity. 

I don&#039;t see this as a fatal flaw. In fact, such limitations exist in nearly every sport. When looking at a pitcher&#039;s Ball-to-Strike ratio, what you&#039;re seeing is the subjective evaluation of that particular game&#039;s umpire. He has guidelines, but it&#039;s within his power to call any pitch he wants either a ball or a strike. The game can completely based turn on those decisions, but that doesn&#039;t make every other baseball stat a subjective one. I don&#039;t think an unavoidable amount of subjectivity devalues the entire enterprise. The key is to develop a certain level of trust between fans and scorers. Fans trust that umpires know what they’re talking about (most of the time), so they’ll accept a certain level of subjectivity. I don’t expect that level of trust to be built overnight, but in time, I would hope fans could place that level of trust in FightMetric’s scores as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grape Knee High:</p>
<p>I hear where you’re coming from. Just to clarify, HiPer and LoPer are groupings of different strike variations, not classifications of individual strikes. So for instance, every power strike to the head is a HiPer Strike, whereas a power strike to the body is only HiPer on the feet but not on the ground. This is simple event counting, so it&#8217;s no more subjective than our usual method of separating power strikes from jabs.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s what your real issue lays and I can&#8217;t disagree. The scorer has to make the decision of how to classify a strike, a submission attempt, or the level of damage. We can minimize, but not eliminate, that level of subjectivity. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see this as a fatal flaw. In fact, such limitations exist in nearly every sport. When looking at a pitcher&#8217;s Ball-to-Strike ratio, what you&#8217;re seeing is the subjective evaluation of that particular game&#8217;s umpire. He has guidelines, but it&#8217;s within his power to call any pitch he wants either a ball or a strike. The game can completely based turn on those decisions, but that doesn&#8217;t make every other baseball stat a subjective one. I don&#8217;t think an unavoidable amount of subjectivity devalues the entire enterprise. The key is to develop a certain level of trust between fans and scorers. Fans trust that umpires know what they’re talking about (most of the time), so they’ll accept a certain level of subjectivity. I don’t expect that level of trust to be built overnight, but in time, I would hope fans could place that level of trust in FightMetric’s scores as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It only takes you 8 minutes per round to tally up stats?  Impressive.  If you can get your system to scale such that the results are available with little delay after an event, that would be even more impressive (and welcome).

Regarding subjectivity, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way where you can eliminate it from your HiPer and LoPer metrics.  It simply cannot be done, and I don&#039;t think adding extra explanation will really help.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I think you&#039;re doing a great service for the fans and if you can figure out how to monetize what you&#039;re doing, more power to you.  I just think that it is misleading and irresponsible to deny that anything outside of simple event counting will always be subjective.

Who (or what) determines what a potential KO punch is?  Who determines what a &quot;catch&quot; is?  There is always a opinionated decision being made here and that is the definition of subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It only takes you 8 minutes per round to tally up stats?  Impressive.  If you can get your system to scale such that the results are available with little delay after an event, that would be even more impressive (and welcome).</p>
<p>Regarding subjectivity, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any way where you can eliminate it from your HiPer and LoPer metrics.  It simply cannot be done, and I don&#8217;t think adding extra explanation will really help.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I think you&#8217;re doing a great service for the fans and if you can figure out how to monetize what you&#8217;re doing, more power to you.  I just think that it is misleading and irresponsible to deny that anything outside of simple event counting will always be subjective.</p>
<p>Who (or what) determines what a potential KO punch is?  Who determines what a &#8220;catch&#8221; is?  There is always a opinionated decision being made here and that is the definition of subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Yu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent work with the fight metric Rami.   I see you&#039;re getting more efficient in tallying the data.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent work with the fight metric Rami.   I see you&#8217;re getting more efficient in tallying the data.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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