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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/03/philosophy-101-mma-media/comment-page-1/#comment-43822</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some people are worried about Sam&#039;s death creating problems for the sanctioning of MMA, and that&#039;s blinding the human concern for Sam and his family.  Unfortunately, (and paradoxically), it&#039;s going to take a few more deaths before people realize that MMA won&#039;t go back underground because of these tragedies.  Then the human concern for these fighters will be the pre-eminent thing again.

What&#039;s really sad is people reporting Vasquez as the &quot;first death in regulated MMA&quot;, and completely forgetting about American Doug Dedge, who died fighting 9 years ago in a Ukrainian show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some people are worried about Sam&#8217;s death creating problems for the sanctioning of MMA, and that&#8217;s blinding the human concern for Sam and his family.  Unfortunately, (and paradoxically), it&#8217;s going to take a few more deaths before people realize that MMA won&#8217;t go back underground because of these tragedies.  Then the human concern for these fighters will be the pre-eminent thing again.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really sad is people reporting Vasquez as the &#8220;first death in regulated MMA&#8221;, and completely forgetting about American Doug Dedge, who died fighting 9 years ago in a Ukrainian show.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Caplan responds to Luke Thomas &#124; FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry.</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/12/03/philosophy-101-mma-media/comment-page-1/#comment-43803</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Caplan responds to Luke Thomas &#124; FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is part of what I stated on Monday: Call me cynical, but I don’t think you’re seeing a large outpouring of emotion over [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jarry Park - The Coliseum Of Combat Sports Interviews &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Discussing The Death Of Sammy Vasquez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarry Park - The Coliseum Of Combat Sports Interviews &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Discussing The Death Of Sammy Vasquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reading great reaction posts by likes of Zach Arnold at FightOpinion.com and Luke Thomas of Bloodyelbow.com we felt as though there was certainly enough to talk to about at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reading great reaction posts by likes of Zach Arnold at FightOpinion.com and Luke Thomas of Bloodyelbow.com we felt as though there was certainly enough to talk to about at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GameCritics.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>GameCritics.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the major MMA sites have covered the tragedy so I suspect that L. Thomas is referring to bloggers and message board posters as being &quot;silent.&quot; This is not surprising because death is a difficult subject to deal with and its not something to take lightly and crack jokes about, which is the usual MO of bloggers. There also hasn&#039;t been anything overly controversial that has come to light that incites outrage from the public so bloggers are choosing to be conservative rather risk saying something insensitive.

Zach, its also arrogant for you to presume that everyone should prioritize what you personally think is important. People have their own values and motivations for why they follow the sport and if you want more discussion and response, you should write about what people are interested in and not criticize your readership for not being an alarmist on topics that some of us don&#039;t find particulary alarming.

That tone of self-importance is ultimately makes this a blog and not a news site. I find it funny that anyone would qualify link farming and commentary as &quot;reporting.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the major MMA sites have covered the tragedy so I suspect that L. Thomas is referring to bloggers and message board posters as being &#8220;silent.&#8221; This is not surprising because death is a difficult subject to deal with and its not something to take lightly and crack jokes about, which is the usual MO of bloggers. There also hasn&#8217;t been anything overly controversial that has come to light that incites outrage from the public so bloggers are choosing to be conservative rather risk saying something insensitive.</p>
<p>Zach, its also arrogant for you to presume that everyone should prioritize what you personally think is important. People have their own values and motivations for why they follow the sport and if you want more discussion and response, you should write about what people are interested in and not criticize your readership for not being an alarmist on topics that some of us don&#8217;t find particulary alarming.</p>
<p>That tone of self-importance is ultimately makes this a blog and not a news site. I find it funny that anyone would qualify link farming and commentary as &#8220;reporting.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omar, you&#039;re mistaken.

In the 1980s, nearly all of the Vegas casinos were taken over by publicly traded companies or large legitimate investors as the FBI prosecuted dozens of mobsters that had been running things.

They&#039;re as clean as Coca Cola now.  Greedy bastards all, but there&#039;s probably not as regulated and orderly an industry as the Vegas casinos in this country.  The money involved is too big, and nearly all of the casinos have extensive teams of former FBI agents and other former law enforcement to keep things above board.  A culture of corruption is bad for business, CSI plotlines not withstanding.

That&#039;s not to say that the mobs can&#039;t come back (they were pushed out to a large extent in the 1960s when Howard Hughes bought most of Vegas)...they&#039;re just not there to any significant degree now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omar, you&#8217;re mistaken.</p>
<p>In the 1980s, nearly all of the Vegas casinos were taken over by publicly traded companies or large legitimate investors as the FBI prosecuted dozens of mobsters that had been running things.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re as clean as Coca Cola now.  Greedy bastards all, but there&#8217;s probably not as regulated and orderly an industry as the Vegas casinos in this country.  The money involved is too big, and nearly all of the casinos have extensive teams of former FBI agents and other former law enforcement to keep things above board.  A culture of corruption is bad for business, CSI plotlines not withstanding.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that the mobs can&#8217;t come back (they were pushed out to a large extent in the 1960s when Howard Hughes bought most of Vegas)&#8230;they&#8217;re just not there to any significant degree now.</p>
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		<title>By: karat3</title>
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		<dc:creator>karat3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the different perspective your site brings to the news zach, also the new site looks good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the different perspective your site brings to the news zach, also the new site looks good.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point you bring up Zach.   I love all of your reporting.

&quot;I almost felt as if people were completely desensitized or dehumanized in relation to the actions of certain individuals in the business.&quot; - I do not think that humans do not care for one another.   However, there is no purpose, physically, emotionally, intellectually, for me, or anybody on the internet, to feel sentiment for those we do not know.

About the business: We, the MMA community need to acknowledge Vasquez&#039;s death in mainstream media because it is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point you bring up Zach.   I love all of your reporting.</p>
<p>&#8220;I almost felt as if people were completely desensitized or dehumanized in relation to the actions of certain individuals in the business.&#8221; &#8211; I do not think that humans do not care for one another.   However, there is no purpose, physically, emotionally, intellectually, for me, or anybody on the internet, to feel sentiment for those we do not know.</p>
<p>About the business: We, the MMA community need to acknowledge Vasquez&#8217;s death in mainstream media because it is important.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. In some ways, I agree with you and in some ways, I don&#039;t.  A few points I would like to make for discussion:

Why is there no union for fighters? Would this address the points you bring up?

and also why the focus on Japanese organized crime when the Fertittas made/make their millions in Vegas casinos.  Vegas is notorious for organized crime especially in the casino industry.  It would seem important to look at our own institutions first before pointing fingers at Japanese institutions.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. In some ways, I agree with you and in some ways, I don&#8217;t.  A few points I would like to make for discussion:</p>
<p>Why is there no union for fighters? Would this address the points you bring up?</p>
<p>and also why the focus on Japanese organized crime when the Fertittas made/make their millions in Vegas casinos.  Vegas is notorious for organized crime especially in the casino industry.  It would seem important to look at our own institutions first before pointing fingers at Japanese institutions.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Michaelthebox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaelthebox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that people often don&#039;t want to acknowledge some things that should be acknowledged, such as the generally corrupt nature of a lot of the Japanese promotions.

I just don&#039;t see where this qualifies.  Usually a display of systematic corruption/incompetence is required for people to respond to something.  One death isn&#039;t systematic.  And while you point out Holyfield getting licensed as evidence of the incompetence of the Texas commission, its unreasonable to expect MMA fans and writers to be familiar with the history of the commission in terms of boxing.

Another issue is that most MMA fans and writers simply don&#039;t have the expertise to analyze the commission&#039;s medical regulations on their own terms.  I&#039;m well educated as fans go, and I wouldn&#039;t have the slightest idea how to approach analyzing the Texas regulations from a medical standpoint, to see whether or not there are any flaws.  There aren&#039;t any enormous flaws, or else fighters would be dying left and right.

I&#039;m forced to ask, why isn&#039;t Luke Thomas doing the hell-raising, rather than complaining that other people aren&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that people often don&#8217;t want to acknowledge some things that should be acknowledged, such as the generally corrupt nature of a lot of the Japanese promotions.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see where this qualifies.  Usually a display of systematic corruption/incompetence is required for people to respond to something.  One death isn&#8217;t systematic.  And while you point out Holyfield getting licensed as evidence of the incompetence of the Texas commission, its unreasonable to expect MMA fans and writers to be familiar with the history of the commission in terms of boxing.</p>
<p>Another issue is that most MMA fans and writers simply don&#8217;t have the expertise to analyze the commission&#8217;s medical regulations on their own terms.  I&#8217;m well educated as fans go, and I wouldn&#8217;t have the slightest idea how to approach analyzing the Texas regulations from a medical standpoint, to see whether or not there are any flaws.  There aren&#8217;t any enormous flaws, or else fighters would be dying left and right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m forced to ask, why isn&#8217;t Luke Thomas doing the hell-raising, rather than complaining that other people aren&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: ttt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ttt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s not bring in Couture on this one. if he actually &quot;retired&quot; to do good things for other fighters, he would have come out and said how he wanted to help them instead of mentioning it and not saying anything else

but hopefully this does bring into focus issues regarding fighter help and not sweep this under the rug. with regulation around it&#039;s easy to assume everything is fine when there may be problems. health care is a big concern for these fighters, to make sure that they are in shape and that they have enough money to cover their medical bills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s not bring in Couture on this one. if he actually &#8220;retired&#8221; to do good things for other fighters, he would have come out and said how he wanted to help them instead of mentioning it and not saying anything else</p>
<p>but hopefully this does bring into focus issues regarding fighter help and not sweep this under the rug. with regulation around it&#8217;s easy to assume everything is fine when there may be problems. health care is a big concern for these fighters, to make sure that they are in shape and that they have enough money to cover their medical bills</p>
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