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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/sunday-news-review-defending-ufc-78s-main-event/comment-page-1/#comment-41299</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ I dont think you read it properly - he actually went to Miami on an ACADEMIC SCHOLARSHIP and didn&#039;t even play football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ I dont think you read it properly &#8211; he actually went to Miami on an ACADEMIC SCHOLARSHIP and didn&#8217;t even play football.</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/sunday-news-review-defending-ufc-78s-main-event/comment-page-1/#comment-41290</link>
		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going to Miami on a football scholarship doesn&#039;t mean one isn&#039;t a thug. Miami is well known for recruiting kids from the street who aren&#039;t very good at the 3 Rs, but are capable athletes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going to Miami on a football scholarship doesn&#8217;t mean one isn&#8217;t a thug. Miami is well known for recruiting kids from the street who aren&#8217;t very good at the 3 Rs, but are capable athletes.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/sunday-news-review-defending-ufc-78s-main-event/comment-page-1/#comment-41274</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>205 was formed for Tito Ortiz. What&#039;s your point?

This sport is still in its infancy. 10lb separations for lighter weights aren&#039;t that big of a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>205 was formed for Tito Ortiz. What&#8217;s your point?</p>
<p>This sport is still in its infancy. 10lb separations for lighter weights aren&#8217;t that big of a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grape Knee High, your last comment was spot on about the &quot;Pride Aces&quot;. There is in fact a Computer Desktop Wallpaper made by DSE (Forever Live) featuring what they considered to be the &quot;ace stars&quot; in the Bushido series, and they were Hayato &quot;Mach&quot; Sakurai, Ryo &quot;Pirahna&quot; Chonan, Takanori &quot;Fireball Kid&quot; Gomi, and Minowman.

Here is a link to the talked about wallpaper:
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v153/198/89/44007810/n44007810_31866342_7190.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grape Knee High, your last comment was spot on about the &#8220;Pride Aces&#8221;. There is in fact a Computer Desktop Wallpaper made by DSE (Forever Live) featuring what they considered to be the &#8220;ace stars&#8221; in the Bushido series, and they were Hayato &#8220;Mach&#8221; Sakurai, Ryo &#8220;Pirahna&#8221; Chonan, Takanori &#8220;Fireball Kid&#8221; Gomi, and Minowman.</p>
<p>Here is a link to the talked about wallpaper:<br />
<a href="http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v153/198/89/44007810/n44007810_31866342_7190.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v153/198/89/44007810/n44007810_31866342_7190.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Nick Diaz.  There&#039;s a phrase they use in baseball: &quot;Million dollar arm, ten cent head.&quot;  If there were an equivalent phrase in MMA, it would be owned by Diaz.

He just mailed in his performance yesterday: lackluster, telegraphed shots; impatient on the ground; and he somehow didn&#039;t learn how to avoid the looping power punches after getting his face broken by Gomi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Nick Diaz.  There&#8217;s a phrase they use in baseball: &#8220;Million dollar arm, ten cent head.&#8221;  If there were an equivalent phrase in MMA, it would be owned by Diaz.</p>
<p>He just mailed in his performance yesterday: lackluster, telegraphed shots; impatient on the ground; and he somehow didn&#8217;t learn how to avoid the looping power punches after getting his face broken by Gomi.</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/sunday-news-review-defending-ufc-78s-main-event/comment-page-1/#comment-41267</link>
		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: PRIDE and 161 lbs

I think everyone is partially correct regarding how this weight class was formed.

I don&#039;t think Gaijin is completely wrong for saying that it has to do with the metric system.  PRIDE already had their MW set at 93 kg (205 lbs).  They already knew they wanted 2 lower weight classes when they formed Bushido, and it was convenient enough to set them at 10 kg increments: 83 kg (183 lbs) and 73 kgs (161 lbs).  Shooto having previously had a 154 lb division obviously had little traction to PRIDE.

That said, I&#039;m sure it was very convenient that they could then use Sakurai at this 161 weight class.  Gomi/Sakurai being popular or not, I recall PRIDE hauling out 4 Japanese fighters during one of their events as their &quot;Bushido Aces&quot;: Gomi, Sakurai, Minowa and some other guy I can&#039;t remember at this moment (Chonan perhaps? -- I&#039;m sure someone remembers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: PRIDE and 161 lbs</p>
<p>I think everyone is partially correct regarding how this weight class was formed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Gaijin is completely wrong for saying that it has to do with the metric system.  PRIDE already had their MW set at 93 kg (205 lbs).  They already knew they wanted 2 lower weight classes when they formed Bushido, and it was convenient enough to set them at 10 kg increments: 83 kg (183 lbs) and 73 kgs (161 lbs).  Shooto having previously had a 154 lb division obviously had little traction to PRIDE.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m sure it was very convenient that they could then use Sakurai at this 161 weight class.  Gomi/Sakurai being popular or not, I recall PRIDE hauling out 4 Japanese fighters during one of their events as their &#8220;Bushido Aces&#8221;: Gomi, Sakurai, Minowa and some other guy I can&#8217;t remember at this moment (Chonan perhaps? &#8212; I&#8217;m sure someone remembers).</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now, as for whether or not he was given extra incentive, I have no idea. I have a hard time believing some guy with 20 pro fights and who had been KOed legitimately before was so completely terrified of a guy with no licensed fights and who had lost one of his underground battles to a guy at least on his own level that he was too frightened to fight. Beating Kimbo was a meal ticket for him. Losing to Kimbo could have been too. We’re likely never to know.&quot;

True - his performance last night had all but ensured he&#039;s going to have a hard time getting booked on any legit cards.  So maybe a loss like that might need to be worth a bit more than his &quot;base pay&quot;, maybe he got his own &quot;shower room bonus&quot;.  But I was just looking at his recent record (0-4 and 3 by (t)KO) and taking into account the fact that he took the fight on about a week&#039;s notice (and 2 weeks after his last loss).  I just felt it was more an indication of him being underprepared, not wanting to get hurt and needed a paycheck.

On the subject of Kimbo, like him or love him, he seems to have a pretty good following - that crowd was electric for him last night.  And even though he has a thug persona, he seems to be taking the sport very seriously and after reading a bio on him he sounds to be a pretty smart guy (he was a high school football star that went to Miami U on an academic scholarship).  He has some good natural ability and I think if he is brought along he could be a pretty decent pro, unfortunately his internet stardom will probably overshadow most of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now, as for whether or not he was given extra incentive, I have no idea. I have a hard time believing some guy with 20 pro fights and who had been KOed legitimately before was so completely terrified of a guy with no licensed fights and who had lost one of his underground battles to a guy at least on his own level that he was too frightened to fight. Beating Kimbo was a meal ticket for him. Losing to Kimbo could have been too. We’re likely never to know.&#8221;</p>
<p>True &#8211; his performance last night had all but ensured he&#8217;s going to have a hard time getting booked on any legit cards.  So maybe a loss like that might need to be worth a bit more than his &#8220;base pay&#8221;, maybe he got his own &#8220;shower room bonus&#8221;.  But I was just looking at his recent record (0-4 and 3 by (t)KO) and taking into account the fact that he took the fight on about a week&#8217;s notice (and 2 weeks after his last loss).  I just felt it was more an indication of him being underprepared, not wanting to get hurt and needed a paycheck.</p>
<p>On the subject of Kimbo, like him or love him, he seems to have a pretty good following &#8211; that crowd was electric for him last night.  And even though he has a thug persona, he seems to be taking the sport very seriously and after reading a bio on him he sounds to be a pretty smart guy (he was a high school football star that went to Miami U on an academic scholarship).  He has some good natural ability and I think if he is brought along he could be a pretty decent pro, unfortunately his internet stardom will probably overshadow most of this.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I was off on that one then.  As I said, someone commented here a few weeks ago saying that it was to do with my above comments (re: 73, 83, 93 kg classes).

But I&#039;m not about to be a douche and refuse to relent in the face of overwhelming evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I was off on that one then.  As I said, someone commented here a few weeks ago saying that it was to do with my above comments (re: 73, 83, 93 kg classes).</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not about to be a douche and refuse to relent in the face of overwhelming evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So we’re basically just sparring on semantics - you know what I meant. Either way, if Bo Cantrell was “taking a dive”, it was under his sole motivation to collect a paycheck and not get hurt. 

The one thing I’m not sure of is whether you’re implying that there was someone else involved in this “dive” or just that Cantrell didn’t feel like fighting and took the pussy way out. If it’s the former, as I’ve said before I’m inclined to disagree.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, people who take dives usually try to do so in a fashion that does minimal damage to them. Sometimes you have a guy like Ray Lamotta who stands there and takes a beating in doing so. In any case, the end result is the same. Its not a &quot;work&quot; though. A worked fight is one that&#039;s faked with both participants knowing. Lots of guys (probably most) have taken dives for fighters in the past with the fighter being blissfully unaware. Primo Carnera, anyone? 

Now, as for whether or not he was given extra incentive, I have no idea. I have a hard time believing some guy with 20 pro fights and who had been KOed legitimately before was so completely terrified of a guy with no licensed fights and who had lost one of his underground battles to a guy at least on his own level that he was too frightened to fight. Beating Kimbo was a meal ticket for him. Losing to Kimbo could have been too. We&#039;re likely never to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So we’re basically just sparring on semantics &#8211; you know what I meant. Either way, if Bo Cantrell was “taking a dive”, it was under his sole motivation to collect a paycheck and not get hurt. </p>
<p>The one thing I’m not sure of is whether you’re implying that there was someone else involved in this “dive” or just that Cantrell didn’t feel like fighting and took the pussy way out. If it’s the former, as I’ve said before I’m inclined to disagree.</i></p>
<p>Well, people who take dives usually try to do so in a fashion that does minimal damage to them. Sometimes you have a guy like Ray Lamotta who stands there and takes a beating in doing so. In any case, the end result is the same. Its not a &#8220;work&#8221; though. A worked fight is one that&#8217;s faked with both participants knowing. Lots of guys (probably most) have taken dives for fighters in the past with the fighter being blissfully unaware. Primo Carnera, anyone? </p>
<p>Now, as for whether or not he was given extra incentive, I have no idea. I have a hard time believing some guy with 20 pro fights and who had been KOed legitimately before was so completely terrified of a guy with no licensed fights and who had lost one of his underground battles to a guy at least on his own level that he was too frightened to fight. Beating Kimbo was a meal ticket for him. Losing to Kimbo could have been too. We&#8217;re likely never to know.</p>
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		<title>By: sprewell rimz</title>
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		<dc:creator>sprewell rimz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the 161 limit also led to most of the natural 154 guys becoming beasts, surely due to nothing more than taking their vitamins and lifting weights. check out the Gomi that fought Hansen compared to the one who fought Ishida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the 161 limit also led to most of the natural 154 guys becoming beasts, surely due to nothing more than taking their vitamins and lifting weights. check out the Gomi that fought Hansen compared to the one who fought Ishida.</p>
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