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	<title>Comments on: Monday media notes: The MMA world outside of UFC</title>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/monday-media-notes-the-mma-world-outside-of-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-41498</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they would have chosen a very different fighter as their face of women’s MMA. Perhaps one of the many women who are considered one of the best in the world…. A woman with actually a lot of MMA experience.&quot;

So like UFC is attempting to do with Brock Lesnar or EXC with Kimbo Slice? Like that?

There&#039;s a certain something to be said about marketability of fighters and the ability to make a profit in the mma business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they would have chosen a very different fighter as their face of women’s MMA. Perhaps one of the many women who are considered one of the best in the world…. A woman with actually a lot of MMA experience.&#8221;</p>
<p>So like UFC is attempting to do with Brock Lesnar or EXC with Kimbo Slice? Like that?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a certain something to be said about marketability of fighters and the ability to make a profit in the mma business.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/monday-media-notes-the-mma-world-outside-of-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-41351</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimme a break - UFC promoted the hell out of Shamrock vs. Ortiz as a catalyst for the org grabbing mainstream interest.  Hardly the height of pursuit of competition or anything other than a hot marketing tool.

Gina Carano is no different, so to criticize them for this when it&#039;s merely one of the many things they&#039;re pushing is retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimme a break &#8211; UFC promoted the hell out of Shamrock vs. Ortiz as a catalyst for the org grabbing mainstream interest.  Hardly the height of pursuit of competition or anything other than a hot marketing tool.</p>
<p>Gina Carano is no different, so to criticize them for this when it&#8217;s merely one of the many things they&#8217;re pushing is retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/monday-media-notes-the-mma-world-outside-of-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-41345</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They care about making money. At the end of the day, that&#039;s what every org is trying to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They care about making money. At the end of the day, that&#8217;s what every org is trying to do.</p>
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		<title>By: 45 Huddle</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/monday-media-notes-the-mma-world-outside-of-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-41335</link>
		<dc:creator>45 Huddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a big fan of Women&#039;s MMA to begin with.  But if EliteXC really cared about the SPORT of Women&#039;s MMA, they would have chosen a very different fighter as their face of women&#039;s MMA.  Perhaps one of the many women who are considered one of the best in the world.... A woman with actually a lot of MMA experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a big fan of Women&#8217;s MMA to begin with.  But if EliteXC really cared about the SPORT of Women&#8217;s MMA, they would have chosen a very different fighter as their face of women&#8217;s MMA.  Perhaps one of the many women who are considered one of the best in the world&#8230;. A woman with actually a lot of MMA experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing wrong with promoting Gina, that&#039;s not the issue. bodog&#039;s efforts in women&#039;s MMA is respectable, and does womens sport justice. Gina is a piece of ass in EliteXC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with promoting Gina, that&#8217;s not the issue. bodog&#8217;s efforts in women&#8217;s MMA is respectable, and does womens sport justice. Gina is a piece of ass in EliteXC.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what&#039;s wrong with promoting Gina. She&#039;s exciting, beautiful, and represents a niche that the UFC hasn&#039;t showed interest in, so its easy for Showtime to try to capitalize on that. It&#039;s really no different than UFC pushing Roger Huerta so hard on their undercards where he continually fights dudes with no UFC experience.

In both cases they&#039;re just added attractions on cards, both which have provided pretty entertaining fights. Pyle was someone who was heavily touted prior to his IFL losses. With this loss to Shields, and his 3-3 record in his last 6 fights, does he really expect a promotion is going to push him to the moon?

Regardless of his record, he was still put into a title shot. If he would&#039;ve beaten Shields, EXC would&#039;ve had no choice but to build part of their promotion around him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s wrong with promoting Gina. She&#8217;s exciting, beautiful, and represents a niche that the UFC hasn&#8217;t showed interest in, so its easy for Showtime to try to capitalize on that. It&#8217;s really no different than UFC pushing Roger Huerta so hard on their undercards where he continually fights dudes with no UFC experience.</p>
<p>In both cases they&#8217;re just added attractions on cards, both which have provided pretty entertaining fights. Pyle was someone who was heavily touted prior to his IFL losses. With this loss to Shields, and his 3-3 record in his last 6 fights, does he really expect a promotion is going to push him to the moon?</p>
<p>Regardless of his record, he was still put into a title shot. If he would&#8217;ve beaten Shields, EXC would&#8217;ve had no choice but to build part of their promotion around him.</p>
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		<title>By: klown</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/11/11/monday-media-notes-the-mma-world-outside-of-ufc/comment-page-1/#comment-41328</link>
		<dc:creator>klown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mose,

Why Gina Carano gets promoted as a star is a fair topic for discussion. Nobody here objects to that, in fact, discussions happen all the time, debating why companies promote certain fighters and not others. So, again, it&#039;s perfectly fair to debate why Carano gets promoted over fighters like Mike Pyle. And there is plenty of merit to the argument that her stardom is a sexist strategy by Elite XC to sexually exploit her for male consumption. 

(Unfortunately, disgusting jokes by people like Maura Ranallo support the theory. I like the guy and I was genuinely disappointed by his juvenile sexism. I hope he&#039;s sorry because comments like that really set back the cause of female fighters trying to gain respect and acceptance in this sport.)

What&#039;s not acceptable is the blatant sexism of Pyle&#039;s statement, for which he deserves all the ridicule he&#039;s gotten and more. He doesn&#039;t make a reasoned argument about promotional strategies, he just comes off as an ape whose macho ego is hurt because a woman is above him. 

Then you have guys like Columbia Lou who is far worse than Pyle. Maybe Pyle  is uneducated or too dumb to understand the sexism of his own remarks; and maybe we can cut him some slack for being emotional because he is personally invested in the situation. Lou, in contrast, is a pure sexist, who is clearly educated enough to understand the issue (even if his understanding is warped) and is actively promoting sexism. He didn&#039;t say &quot;Cut Pyle some slack&quot; - he said Pyle&#039;s remarks actually increased his respect for the guy. And he prefaced it by objecting to the concept of sexism itself. 

Hey Lou, let&#039;s hear your objection to the concept of racism - isn&#039;t it just Marxism applied to races? Wouldn&#039;t you love to take us back to an era before we had an awareness of sexism and racism? *spit*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mose,</p>
<p>Why Gina Carano gets promoted as a star is a fair topic for discussion. Nobody here objects to that, in fact, discussions happen all the time, debating why companies promote certain fighters and not others. So, again, it&#8217;s perfectly fair to debate why Carano gets promoted over fighters like Mike Pyle. And there is plenty of merit to the argument that her stardom is a sexist strategy by Elite XC to sexually exploit her for male consumption. </p>
<p>(Unfortunately, disgusting jokes by people like Maura Ranallo support the theory. I like the guy and I was genuinely disappointed by his juvenile sexism. I hope he&#8217;s sorry because comments like that really set back the cause of female fighters trying to gain respect and acceptance in this sport.)</p>
<p>What&#8217;s not acceptable is the blatant sexism of Pyle&#8217;s statement, for which he deserves all the ridicule he&#8217;s gotten and more. He doesn&#8217;t make a reasoned argument about promotional strategies, he just comes off as an ape whose macho ego is hurt because a woman is above him. </p>
<p>Then you have guys like Columbia Lou who is far worse than Pyle. Maybe Pyle  is uneducated or too dumb to understand the sexism of his own remarks; and maybe we can cut him some slack for being emotional because he is personally invested in the situation. Lou, in contrast, is a pure sexist, who is clearly educated enough to understand the issue (even if his understanding is warped) and is actively promoting sexism. He didn&#8217;t say &#8220;Cut Pyle some slack&#8221; &#8211; he said Pyle&#8217;s remarks actually increased his respect for the guy. And he prefaced it by objecting to the concept of sexism itself. </p>
<p>Hey Lou, let&#8217;s hear your objection to the concept of racism &#8211; isn&#8217;t it just Marxism applied to races? Wouldn&#8217;t you love to take us back to an era before we had an awareness of sexism and racism? *spit*</p>
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		<title>By: Peter H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Columbia Lou really Mike Pyle in disguise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Columbia Lou really Mike Pyle in disguise?</p>
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		<title>By: mose</title>
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		<dc:creator>mose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find all this Pyle talk hilarious because so many are reacted in such a knee-jerk, typical PC fashion.

Pyle&#039;s complaint that Carrano, basically being used as a sideshow attraction, is being pushed ahead of male MMA fighters has merit.  It is typical Gary Shaw promotion.

The above comments by Columbia Lou have merit as well.  Social ideals are like a pendulum that swings back and forth until it settles at &#039;just about right&#039;.  In a reaction to millennia of truly horrible treatment women, the pendulum has swung far over to the other side.  Too far, in fact, but it will move back to the center eventually.

The slams of Columbia Lou that I am reading above are what I would expect to hear: emotional, rash, and without much rational thought.  Decrying someone as sexist, racist, etc. is an easy way to attempt to marginalize points of view you don&#039;t like or haven&#039;t taken the time or effort to understand, all through the glorious power of demagoguery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find all this Pyle talk hilarious because so many are reacted in such a knee-jerk, typical PC fashion.</p>
<p>Pyle&#8217;s complaint that Carrano, basically being used as a sideshow attraction, is being pushed ahead of male MMA fighters has merit.  It is typical Gary Shaw promotion.</p>
<p>The above comments by Columbia Lou have merit as well.  Social ideals are like a pendulum that swings back and forth until it settles at &#8216;just about right&#8217;.  In a reaction to millennia of truly horrible treatment women, the pendulum has swung far over to the other side.  Too far, in fact, but it will move back to the center eventually.</p>
<p>The slams of Columbia Lou that I am reading above are what I would expect to hear: emotional, rash, and without much rational thought.  Decrying someone as sexist, racist, etc. is an easy way to attempt to marginalize points of view you don&#8217;t like or haven&#8217;t taken the time or effort to understand, all through the glorious power of demagoguery.</p>
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		<title>By: klown</title>
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		<dc:creator>klown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Columbia Lou,

Thankfully people like you are an endangered species in the civilized world. Hopefully the last remnants of your kind will also disappear soon. 

You will happily find a home for yourself in Saudi Arabia or some similarly medieval society that hasn&#039;t yet been afflicted with Marxist ideologies like anti-sexism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Columbia Lou,</p>
<p>Thankfully people like you are an endangered species in the civilized world. Hopefully the last remnants of your kind will also disappear soon. </p>
<p>You will happily find a home for yourself in Saudi Arabia or some similarly medieval society that hasn&#8217;t yet been afflicted with Marxist ideologies like anti-sexism.</p>
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