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	<title>Comments on: Wednesday war room: Do you care about Liddell vs. Silva?</title>
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		<title>By: Blocker</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/23/wednesday-war-room-do-you-care-about-liddell-vs-silva/comment-page-2/#comment-39755</link>
		<dc:creator>Blocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M1 will have 1 or 2 PPV type events and then disappear as will Fedor...I sincerly believe the Fedor/Couture era is done and we are about to see a new evolution in HW fighters. Bring on 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M1 will have 1 or 2 PPV type events and then disappear as will Fedor&#8230;I sincerly believe the Fedor/Couture era is done and we are about to see a new evolution in HW fighters. Bring on 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So wait. After that 1000 word rant, the best you could come up is two fighters that the UFC “turned away?” Let’s review…

When the UFC dropped Lindland, he was widely considered the most boring top ranked fighter around. People seem to forget that Lindland only started to open up a bit more once he got dropped by the UFC. Since Rich Franklin made the UFC much more money than Lindland ever would have, this is actually one of the smarter business moves Zuffa made.

As for Randy, that’s the *ONE* legitimate complaint about White’s questionable tactics and quite frankly, the more I read about Maxell on Sherdog, the more it sounds like Randy was in collusion with M-1 to circumvent his contract with UFC.

Again, where’s the mountain of evidence that proves that Dana’s tactics are doing more harm than good?&quot;

Where is your refutation of my &quot;rant?&quot; You&#039;ve ignored most of it and then attempted to argue that getting rid of one of the best fighters in the world was a good move. Especially, in light of the lack of competition in the division. 

Maybe you&#039;re right and the guy who has been booed by the UFC retards at every event is so awesome that people will pay hundreds of dollars just to see him beat up scrubs and aren&#039;t interested in actual competition. 

Oh wait, that statement is completely ridiculous and devoid of logic.

Kind of like your baseless assertion that Randy Couture was colluding with M-1 all along. Any intuition you gain from reading a Sherdog article is not evidence of anything.  

I also have to laugh at your contention that Brock Lesnar is going to be a huge draw. Half of the MMA fans on the internet hate him because he&#039;s a wrestler, half of the wrestling fans hate him because he walked on wrestling organizations and he hasn&#039;t been on WWF tv in like 5 years. Huge draw, right there. Oh wait...

UFC&#039;s main rival in MMA went bankrupt this year and the UFC purchased them. The UFC was on the verge of becoming the NFL of MMA, they were going to simultaneously run the two most powerful MMA organizations in the world have a veritable monopoly on all of the greatest fighters, put on some of the greatest MMA fights in history and give us the most anticipated fight in a long time. 

Instead, the UFC botched the Price situation horribly, so that went out the window. They failed to sign elite fighters and allowed them into other organizations, could not even negotiate a contract with one guy who would have enabled them to put one of the most anticipated fights in history. More than that they lost their HW champion. 

In the UFC, the HW division is up in the air, the MW division is up in the air since the only legitimate challenger on the roster is fighting at LHW, their LW division is up in the air since their champion is invited in a steroid scandal, their LHW champion is injured and cannot fight until next year. Rashad Evans and Bisping are headlining a ppv, in the Post-Pride era. 

Look at that and think of what the UFC could have accomplished if it had competent leadership. Yeah, White is doing a great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So wait. After that 1000 word rant, the best you could come up is two fighters that the UFC “turned away?” Let’s review…</p>
<p>When the UFC dropped Lindland, he was widely considered the most boring top ranked fighter around. People seem to forget that Lindland only started to open up a bit more once he got dropped by the UFC. Since Rich Franklin made the UFC much more money than Lindland ever would have, this is actually one of the smarter business moves Zuffa made.</p>
<p>As for Randy, that’s the *ONE* legitimate complaint about White’s questionable tactics and quite frankly, the more I read about Maxell on Sherdog, the more it sounds like Randy was in collusion with M-1 to circumvent his contract with UFC.</p>
<p>Again, where’s the mountain of evidence that proves that Dana’s tactics are doing more harm than good?&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is your refutation of my &#8220;rant?&#8221; You&#8217;ve ignored most of it and then attempted to argue that getting rid of one of the best fighters in the world was a good move. Especially, in light of the lack of competition in the division. </p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re right and the guy who has been booed by the UFC retards at every event is so awesome that people will pay hundreds of dollars just to see him beat up scrubs and aren&#8217;t interested in actual competition. </p>
<p>Oh wait, that statement is completely ridiculous and devoid of logic.</p>
<p>Kind of like your baseless assertion that Randy Couture was colluding with M-1 all along. Any intuition you gain from reading a Sherdog article is not evidence of anything.  </p>
<p>I also have to laugh at your contention that Brock Lesnar is going to be a huge draw. Half of the MMA fans on the internet hate him because he&#8217;s a wrestler, half of the wrestling fans hate him because he walked on wrestling organizations and he hasn&#8217;t been on WWF tv in like 5 years. Huge draw, right there. Oh wait&#8230;</p>
<p>UFC&#8217;s main rival in MMA went bankrupt this year and the UFC purchased them. The UFC was on the verge of becoming the NFL of MMA, they were going to simultaneously run the two most powerful MMA organizations in the world have a veritable monopoly on all of the greatest fighters, put on some of the greatest MMA fights in history and give us the most anticipated fight in a long time. </p>
<p>Instead, the UFC botched the Price situation horribly, so that went out the window. They failed to sign elite fighters and allowed them into other organizations, could not even negotiate a contract with one guy who would have enabled them to put one of the most anticipated fights in history. More than that they lost their HW champion. </p>
<p>In the UFC, the HW division is up in the air, the MW division is up in the air since the only legitimate challenger on the roster is fighting at LHW, their LW division is up in the air since their champion is invited in a steroid scandal, their LHW champion is injured and cannot fight until next year. Rashad Evans and Bisping are headlining a ppv, in the Post-Pride era. </p>
<p>Look at that and think of what the UFC could have accomplished if it had competent leadership. Yeah, White is doing a great job.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ilostmydog,

Good call.  UFC owns his &quot;greatest hits&quot; reel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ilostmydog,</p>
<p>Good call.  UFC owns his &#8220;greatest hits&#8221; reel.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/23/wednesday-war-room-do-you-care-about-liddell-vs-silva/comment-page-2/#comment-39601</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But how are they going to show this? They’re going to have go back to Rings to find footage to use.&quot;

His footage vs Nagata would be pretty solid if Inoki was down. Does anyone know the legalities of using still photos? It&#039;s been used recently in a pretty effective manor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But how are they going to show this? They’re going to have go back to Rings to find footage to use.&#8221;</p>
<p>His footage vs Nagata would be pretty solid if Inoki was down. Does anyone know the legalities of using still photos? It&#8217;s been used recently in a pretty effective manor.</p>
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		<title>By: Preach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skwirrl, is there anything else that you dream about at night, apart from seeing the UFC crumbling down?

You can&#039;t blame Frank III and Lorenzo for the sins of their father, Frank jr. 
Or better yet his &quot;alleged&quot; sins, since he was never convicted, because the prosecutors couldn&#039;t find anything to nail him on. And even if they did - do you really think America would care? I don&#039;t think so. They didn&#039;t care for Sinatras, Bennett&#039;s or Martin&#039;s mob ties. And they didn&#039;t care as much for the John Gotti trial than they did for &quot;Growing up Gotti&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skwirrl, is there anything else that you dream about at night, apart from seeing the UFC crumbling down?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t blame Frank III and Lorenzo for the sins of their father, Frank jr.<br />
Or better yet his &#8220;alleged&#8221; sins, since he was never convicted, because the prosecutors couldn&#8217;t find anything to nail him on. And even if they did &#8211; do you really think America would care? I don&#8217;t think so. They didn&#8217;t care for Sinatras, Bennett&#8217;s or Martin&#8217;s mob ties. And they didn&#8217;t care as much for the John Gotti trial than they did for &#8220;Growing up Gotti&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: GameCritics.com</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/23/wednesday-war-room-do-you-care-about-liddell-vs-silva/comment-page-2/#comment-39595</link>
		<dc:creator>GameCritics.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Eventually the fact that the Fertitta’s were allegedly into shady activity will eventually come out to the mainstream media and ZUFFA will tank on the same reasons that PRIDE did. This will save MMA as a global sport instead of a US based promotional event.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; If the Fertitta&#039;s have plenty to hide, why did they do a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Casino&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reality series about one of their casinos&lt;/A&gt;? I don&#039;t even know why I bother sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Eventually the fact that the Fertitta’s were allegedly into shady activity will eventually come out to the mainstream media and ZUFFA will tank on the same reasons that PRIDE did. This will save MMA as a global sport instead of a US based promotional event.</p></blockquote>
<p> If the Fertitta&#8217;s have plenty to hide, why did they do a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Casino" rel="nofollow">reality series about one of their casinos</a>? I don&#8217;t even know why I bother sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Skwirrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skwirrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eventually the fact that the Fertitta&#039;s were allegedly into shady activity will eventually come out to the mainstream media and ZUFFA will tank on the same reasons that PRIDE did.  This will save MMA as a global sport instead of a US based promotional event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventually the fact that the Fertitta&#8217;s were allegedly into shady activity will eventually come out to the mainstream media and ZUFFA will tank on the same reasons that PRIDE did.  This will save MMA as a global sport instead of a US based promotional event.</p>
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		<title>By: ThaDrizzla</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/23/wednesday-war-room-do-you-care-about-liddell-vs-silva/comment-page-2/#comment-39585</link>
		<dc:creator>ThaDrizzla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to the sponsor issue, UFC isn&#039;t hurting at all. I know the situation all too well. How do I know, you ask? Well, I sit in the sponsors seats. And let me tell you, they aren&#039;t empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to the sponsor issue, UFC isn&#8217;t hurting at all. I know the situation all too well. How do I know, you ask? Well, I sit in the sponsors seats. And let me tell you, they aren&#8217;t empty.</p>
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		<title>By: ilostmydog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilostmydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only that, but they can advertise Fedor as being the baddest man on the planet, greatest heavyweight, etc.  But how are they going to show this?  They&#039;re going to have go back to Rings to find footage to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only that, but they can advertise Fedor as being the baddest man on the planet, greatest heavyweight, etc.  But how are they going to show this?  They&#8217;re going to have go back to Rings to find footage to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaelthebox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaelthebox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to respond to Bryan&#039;s arguments regarding football, but then I realized he&#039;s a biased fool, so I won&#039;t bother.

yenny: You&#039;re missing the fact that it is the UFC promoting those uninteresting matches.  Very few of the hardcore MMA fans recognize the immense drawing power the UFC has because its the UFC.  The UFC is very, very, very good at selling the product of the UFC.  And its a damn fine product.  It kicks the crap out of Pride, EliteXC, and pretty much every other organization that has ever been out there.  

Advertising for a single event doesn&#039;t cut it, because when they advertise Silva vs. Lutter, they aren&#039;t advertising the fighters, they&#039;re advertising that it is a UFC event.  Other organizations can&#039;t do that.  M-1 can advertise their brains out, and if they don&#039;t have the UFC name and image to use, they are going to struggle to sell PPVs.

I&#039;ve said it before and I&#039;ll say it again: the sport of MMA is in its infancy.  MMA isn&#039;t challenging boxing, it isn&#039;t coming close.  The only reason the UFC is doing the numbers they are is because the UFC does a better job with promotion than any other fighting organization or brand in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to respond to Bryan&#8217;s arguments regarding football, but then I realized he&#8217;s a biased fool, so I won&#8217;t bother.</p>
<p>yenny: You&#8217;re missing the fact that it is the UFC promoting those uninteresting matches.  Very few of the hardcore MMA fans recognize the immense drawing power the UFC has because its the UFC.  The UFC is very, very, very good at selling the product of the UFC.  And its a damn fine product.  It kicks the crap out of Pride, EliteXC, and pretty much every other organization that has ever been out there.  </p>
<p>Advertising for a single event doesn&#8217;t cut it, because when they advertise Silva vs. Lutter, they aren&#8217;t advertising the fighters, they&#8217;re advertising that it is a UFC event.  Other organizations can&#8217;t do that.  M-1 can advertise their brains out, and if they don&#8217;t have the UFC name and image to use, they are going to struggle to sell PPVs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: the sport of MMA is in its infancy.  MMA isn&#8217;t challenging boxing, it isn&#8217;t coming close.  The only reason the UFC is doing the numbers they are is because the UFC does a better job with promotion than any other fighting organization or brand in the world.</p>
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