Comments on: UFC 77 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:49:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39311 The Gaijin Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:03:26 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39311 ^Good point...I'll definitely give you that. ^Good point…I’ll definitely give you that.

]]> By: ilostmydog http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39308 ilostmydog Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:37:50 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39308 @ The Gaijin: I'd argue that a large majority of those buying PPVs in America would have no idea that Fedor is a proven entity as an elite fighter. Brock still has more face recognition to the average casual fan in America than Fedor. Although the penis tattooed on his chest may be a little off-putting to some. :p @ The Gaijin:

I’d argue that a large majority of those buying PPVs in America would have no idea that Fedor is a proven entity as an elite fighter. Brock still has more face recognition to the average casual fan in America than Fedor. Although the penis tattooed on his chest may be a little off-putting to some. :p

]]> By: Blocker http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39307 Blocker Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:30:24 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39307 Yea, but Lesnar can do a shooting star press off the top rope landing on his skull Yea, but Lesnar can do a shooting star press off the top rope landing on his skull

]]> By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39306 The Gaijin Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:23:35 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39306 Yeah, but following that logic Fedor would be on equal footing as a drawing fighter b/c it would be all based on the fact that the UFC has brand recognition and market penetration. The only difference would be that Fedor is actually a proven entity as an elite fighter (who has exciting fights) and the other is a former pro wrestler with a 1-0 record against an ultimate tomato can. Granted Lesnar speaks english, but as far as I recall Lesnar was never a good guy on the mike in pro wrestling or anything like that anyhow. Yeah, but following that logic Fedor would be on equal footing as a drawing fighter b/c it would be all based on the fact that the UFC has brand recognition and market penetration.

The only difference would be that Fedor is actually a proven entity as an elite fighter (who has exciting fights) and the other is a former pro wrestler with a 1-0 record against an ultimate tomato can. Granted Lesnar speaks english, but as far as I recall Lesnar was never a good guy on the mike in pro wrestling or anything like that anyhow.

]]> By: ilostmydog http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39305 ilostmydog Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:59:09 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39305 Meh. UFC brand recognition and market penetration will result in Lesnar being more of a draw there than at the horribly mismanaged gong show that was Dynamite USA. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it though. :( Meh. UFC brand recognition and market penetration will result in Lesnar being more of a draw there than at the horribly mismanaged gong show that was Dynamite USA.

Doesn’t mean I have to be happy about it though. :(

]]> By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39303 The Gaijin Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:12:51 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39303 "Jeremy is correct. Lesnar is a ten times bigger draw then Fedor will ever be in the United States." The same Brock Lesnar that drew monster PPV buys and a massive gate while co-headlining for Dynamite!! in CA?? “Jeremy is correct. Lesnar is a ten times bigger draw then Fedor will ever be in the United States.”

The same Brock Lesnar that drew monster PPV buys and a massive gate while co-headlining for Dynamite!! in CA??

]]> By: ilostmydog http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39292 ilostmydog Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:28:26 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39292 http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/3353408/ Translation by miscmisc @ kakutougi.info Okami's comment: "You probably saw both the good and bad aspects of my game in this fight, but I think I could push the pace more in stand up, which is a positive. MacDonald was physically big and mentally strong. Great fighter. I think with this win I earned a shot for the title. I fought many different fighters and had good results, but that doesn't mean I can beat Anderson Silva. I can only learn how good I am when I actually fight him. Also, they gave me a nickname 'Thunder', and finally I feel like I'm a UFC fighter who belongs here. I've had six fights so far and gained a lot of experience. I want to go as far as I can in the UFC." http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/3353408/

Translation by miscmisc @ kakutougi.info

Okami’s comment:

“You probably saw both the good and bad aspects of my game in this fight, but I think I could push the pace more in stand up, which is a positive. MacDonald was physically big and mentally strong. Great fighter. I think with this win I earned a shot for the title. I fought many different fighters and had good results, but that doesn’t mean I can beat Anderson Silva. I can only learn how good I am when I actually fight him. Also, they gave me a nickname ‘Thunder’, and finally I feel like I’m a UFC fighter who belongs here. I’ve had six fights so far and gained a lot of experience. I want to go as far as I can in the UFC.”

]]> By: Blocker http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39289 Blocker Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:00:24 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39289 Lesnar definately has money, what came out in the court case was overstating to make WWE look bad(or worse if thats possible). He owns property and invests heavily. He was getting well renumerated by New Japan as well as K-1, his track record though is to say he isn't getting paid enough, he is well aware of his marquee value. Which will make his dealings with Dana White interesting, Lesnar is notoriously difficult to deal with as far as cash and contract but is also brutally honest if things are happening he does not like. I think the UFC is the best possible place for Lesnar and I am not surprised that he did not sign with a Japanese promotion. He HATES travel, thats why he left WWE and was only wrestling in Japan to sidetrack his WWE contract that had forbidden him signing with another pro wrestling promotion stateside for a ridiculous time limit, hence the court case, he had to make himself look poor to convince a judge that WWE was limiting his work opportunities. Now he can stay at home for most of the year,and fight competitively and get paid instead of travelling most of the year and wrestling every other night...its win/win for Brock Lesnar. Any idea who they might match him up with first up? I'm thinking a Brad Imes or a Ben Rothwell type. Lesnar definately has money, what came out in the court case was overstating to make WWE look bad(or worse if thats possible). He owns property and invests heavily. He was getting well renumerated by New Japan as well as K-1, his track record though is to say he isn’t getting paid enough, he is well aware of his marquee value. Which will make his dealings with Dana White interesting, Lesnar is notoriously difficult to deal with as far as cash and contract but is also brutally honest if things are happening he does not like.

I think the UFC is the best possible place for Lesnar and I am not surprised that he did not sign with a Japanese promotion. He HATES travel, thats why he left WWE and was only wrestling in Japan to sidetrack his WWE contract that had forbidden him signing with another pro wrestling promotion stateside for a ridiculous time limit, hence the court case, he had to make himself look poor to convince a judge that WWE was limiting his work opportunities. Now he can stay at home for most of the year,and fight competitively and get paid instead of travelling most of the year and wrestling every other night…its win/win for Brock Lesnar.

Any idea who they might match him up with first up? I’m thinking a Brad Imes or a Ben Rothwell type.

]]> By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy) http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39267 Jeremy (not that Jeremy) Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:34:53 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39267 I'm with Jim on the language barrier. I think fans respond well to the demeanor and body language and excitement that a fighter projects, and Silva's on the right side of that street. He got a lot of hate in Ohio because he was fighting a home town guy and former champ, but despite Franklin's statements there at the end, I wasn't hearing much in the way of boos after that fight (there presumably must have been some group over there yelling). I’m with Jim on the language barrier.

I think fans respond well to the demeanor and body language and excitement that a fighter projects, and Silva’s on the right side of that street.

He got a lot of hate in Ohio because he was fighting a home town guy and former champ, but despite Franklin’s statements there at the end, I wasn’t hearing much in the way of boos after that fight (there presumably must have been some group over there yelling).

]]> By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy) http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/comment-page-2/#comment-39266 Jeremy (not that Jeremy) Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:30:54 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/10/20/ufc-77/#comment-39266 <i>lol, never mind, the UFC went from talking about Okami vs. MacDonald as a potential #1 contender’s fight to now apparently considering the possibility of not even attempting to re-sign Okami (according to the Fox Sports article). I’m sure the NBA would like to do the same with the San Antonio Spurs. I guess that’s the difference between pro-wrestling-style promotion and real-sports-style promotion.</i> Yeah, The LA Lakers would never try to get rid of Kobi Bryant. Damn, that guy's so good. Everyone wants him on their team. === I'm kind of surprised that Lesnar didn't go to HEROs or the new Japanese MMA promotion. He's fought in Japan as a wrestler before, and he would carry that wrestling value into Japan. They also seem to like to sign guys who are short on career more than UFC typically does. UFC pretty much plays it down the middle, with the exception of guys who were UFC developed. Or at least, they did until the last year or so when they started poaching pride guys. lol, never mind, the UFC went from talking about Okami vs. MacDonald as a potential #1 contender’s fight to now apparently considering the possibility of not even attempting to re-sign Okami (according to the Fox Sports article). I’m sure the NBA would like to do the same with the San Antonio Spurs. I guess that’s the difference between pro-wrestling-style promotion and real-sports-style promotion.

Yeah, The LA Lakers would never try to get rid of Kobi Bryant. Damn, that guy’s so good. Everyone wants him on their team.

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I’m kind of surprised that Lesnar didn’t go to HEROs or the new Japanese MMA promotion. He’s fought in Japan as a wrestler before, and he would carry that wrestling value into Japan. They also seem to like to sign guys who are short on career more than UFC typically does. UFC pretty much plays it down the middle, with the exception of guys who were UFC developed. Or at least, they did until the last year or so when they started poaching pride guys.

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