“Okay, so because other Pride fighters have lost, his stock is lowered???

Maybe to someone who is not very intelligent. Hmm, Anderson Silva and Quntion Jackson are UFC champions. So what does that mean? And Chuck Liddell, Ricco Rodriguez, Murilo Bustamante (all UFC fighters at one time) lost in Pride. What does that say?

Liddell, Couture, Rich Franklin, all got KTFO in the UFC. So what does that mean about the rest of the UFC fighters??

NOTHING!!

This is ludicrous.”"”"

Sometimes I really wonder about the intelligence of ex Pride fans. Sam is making comments about other people’s intelligence???

1. He cherry picks ‘who’ is a Pride Fighter. Anderson Silva came from Cage Rage to the UFC, but because he fought, at one time, a few Pride fights, he is suddenly now ‘forever’ a Pride fighter? Nice cherry picking Sam.

2. Sam declares Murilo Bustamante a ‘UFC fighter’, even though by his weak standards above (claiming Silva), Bustamante should be a Pride fighter as he has been there for years and years.

3. Sam is obviously a new fan, as he apparently never saw the Ricco vs Big Nog match a few years back. Nog’s ‘win’ was anything but convincing. If anything, Nog’s match with Ricco confirms that the two group’s big guys, Pride and the UFC, were pretty even back in 2002 and 2003. Thanks for letting me point that out Sam.

4. It’s nice to cherry pick some UFC guys losing to Pride guys from the years 2001 to 2005, but overall, there weren’t many matches between the two groups. And the matches that did happen, the results were close to even.

5. How Sam can ignore what has recently happened is beyond me. The results of all these Pride fighters losing in the US, most to ex and current UFC guys is overwhelming. Rua, Mirko, Mishima, Gomi, Misaki, Werdum, Henderson, Herring, Fujita, Nakamura, etc….this is only a partial list. When you consider most of these guys were favorites…and losing to underdogs, it’s paints a pretty clear picture about who was somewhat overated.

Last note…Yes, QJ is the champ, but what do you expect? There’s been a huge wave of Pride guys coming over. If you throw enough of them up there, surely someone is going to win something out of that bunch. These guys are good fighters. In fact, I am shocked how many have lost. Dumb luck would seem to show more should have won. What’s the saying? Throw enough shit up on the wall…something will stick?

Another example: look at Rampage losses to Wandy as well, both came in 2nd fight of the night if I remember correctly.

Only the first fight, which was the 2003 MW GP finals. The second fight they had was a MW title fight on High Octane.

That said, you’d have to be an mental midget to think that UFC fighters don’t also juice, especially since numerous UFC fighters (even those in title fights) have tested positive.

Go back and look at who he beat and how in that GP again (as well as the UFC tournament he won) and maybe you’ll reevaluate Coleman a bit. He got it all served on a plate with either below-par opponents or already exhausted opponents who spent themselves in the previous fight while coleman had easy fights. This is why tournament fights SUCKS ass and don’t prove who is the actual better man. Another example: look at Rampage losses to Wandy as well, both came in 2nd fight of the night if I remember correctly. And he wasn’t doing that badly to start, but silva was a lot fresher

I am not saying Chuck and Crocop didn’t try but if there was a possibility of losing $250,000 on a fight they would give that little extra.