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	<title>Comments on: Thursday trash talk: Like your MMA in 3D?</title>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/09/12/thursday-trash-talk-like-your-mma-in-3d/comment-page-1/#comment-35886</link>
		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, if anyone would like to explain what Fujiwara Gumi had to do with Art Davie watching Gracies In Action and deciding to run a PPV based on their no holds barred challenge, please, by all means, educate the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, if anyone would like to explain what Fujiwara Gumi had to do with Art Davie watching Gracies In Action and deciding to run a PPV based on their no holds barred challenge, please, by all means, educate the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;UFC on PPV is a big enough threat that Linda McMahon has to address it at WWE quarterly conference calls. PPV is WWE’s cash cow. TV is not. Without PPV revenues, WWE’s financial model would be in serious trouble.&lt;/i&gt;

Their entire business is based on PPV revenues. Still, I fail to see the proof that MMA has significantly affected buyrates anymore than pro boxing has. Even Meltzer believes that Vengeance&#039;s buyrate was affected by De La Hoya/Mayweather. 

It is tenuous and, IMO, largely nonexistent, except in the minds of those who think Pancrase has something to do with the rise of MMA in the middle of this decade and want it so badly to be so that we get circle jerk writing of the same 4 dudes posting that view and then linking to each others articles. Pro Wrestling can blame its poor writing and scandals more than it can MMA for the problems it has right now.

&lt;i&gt;I am begging you to tell me the history of pro-wrestling in relation to MMA, starting with the first UWF in 1984. I’ll be waiting with baited breath to hear your response.&lt;/i&gt;

I know the history of shootwrestling in Japan. The problem with endlessly reiterating this point over and over is that shootwrestling in Japan was watched by literally a couple hundred people in the US while it was going on. Attempts at putting UWFi shows on PPV failed miserably during the initial MMA boom back in the mid 1990s, and Pancrase on PPV didn&#039;t do much better. It had no effect on the pro wrestling industry in America apart from influencing in a very, very, very tertiary way the NWO/WCW feud. I mean, really, are you going to argue that Kevin Nash was America&#039;s Takada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>UFC on PPV is a big enough threat that Linda McMahon has to address it at WWE quarterly conference calls. PPV is WWE’s cash cow. TV is not. Without PPV revenues, WWE’s financial model would be in serious trouble.</i></p>
<p>Their entire business is based on PPV revenues. Still, I fail to see the proof that MMA has significantly affected buyrates anymore than pro boxing has. Even Meltzer believes that Vengeance&#8217;s buyrate was affected by De La Hoya/Mayweather. </p>
<p>It is tenuous and, IMO, largely nonexistent, except in the minds of those who think Pancrase has something to do with the rise of MMA in the middle of this decade and want it so badly to be so that we get circle jerk writing of the same 4 dudes posting that view and then linking to each others articles. Pro Wrestling can blame its poor writing and scandals more than it can MMA for the problems it has right now.</p>
<p><i>I am begging you to tell me the history of pro-wrestling in relation to MMA, starting with the first UWF in 1984. I’ll be waiting with baited breath to hear your response.</i></p>
<p>I know the history of shootwrestling in Japan. The problem with endlessly reiterating this point over and over is that shootwrestling in Japan was watched by literally a couple hundred people in the US while it was going on. Attempts at putting UWFi shows on PPV failed miserably during the initial MMA boom back in the mid 1990s, and Pancrase on PPV didn&#8217;t do much better. It had no effect on the pro wrestling industry in America apart from influencing in a very, very, very tertiary way the NWO/WCW feud. I mean, really, are you going to argue that Kevin Nash was America&#8217;s Takada?</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is so hard to fathom that there might be some pro-wrestling crossover amongst the current UFC fanbase?

We know one thing is true:  pro-wrestling fans love half-naked, sweaty guys in tights macking all over each other.  And MMA certainly has no shortage of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is so hard to fathom that there might be some pro-wrestling crossover amongst the current UFC fanbase?</p>
<p>We know one thing is true:  pro-wrestling fans love half-naked, sweaty guys in tights macking all over each other.  And MMA certainly has no shortage of that.</p>
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		<title>By: el feo</title>
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		<dc:creator>el feo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No mention of an edit...proof once again of the difference between Fox and journalistic integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No mention of an edit&#8230;proof once again of the difference between Fox and journalistic integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry.</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/09/12/thursday-trash-talk-like-your-mma-in-3d/comment-page-1/#comment-35815</link>
		<dc:creator>FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] facts around the circumstances of the Bisping media session. Read the comments by Hywel and James here and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] facts around the circumstances of the Bisping media session. Read the comments by Hywel and James here and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Teague [FIGHTERS ONLY MAGAZINE]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hywel Teague [FIGHTERS ONLY MAGAZINE]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of 3.17am GMT the article shows it was updated 49 minutes ago, and now has the &#039;correct&#039; quotes as in James&#039; earlier post.

With no mention of an edit whatsoever.  

So for the hundreds if not thousands of people who have already read it, what now?  Will they be informed of the doctored piece?  

I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of 3.17am GMT the article shows it was updated 49 minutes ago, and now has the &#8216;correct&#8217; quotes as in James&#8217; earlier post.</p>
<p>With no mention of an edit whatsoever.  </p>
<p>So for the hundreds if not thousands of people who have already read it, what now?  Will they be informed of the doctored piece?  </p>
<p>I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pain4Blood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pain4Blood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.. Fox Sports updated the article.  It is now exactly as is quoted here.  Just wanted to give you guys a heads up in case you didnt notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.. Fox Sports updated the article.  It is now exactly as is quoted here.  Just wanted to give you guys a heads up in case you didnt notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;C) What proof is there that the WWE’s revenue began falling due to UFC? Just in March of this year, I remember Dave Meltzer saying that wrestling seemed to be set for another boom period, as indicated by rising ratings and DVD sales. Is this about attempting to legitimize the value of pro wrestling through shadow participation in the rise of a real sport, or discussion about MMA causing pro wrestling to hit the skids?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

UFC on PPV is a big enough threat that Linda McMahon has to address it at WWE quarterly conference calls.  PPV is WWE&#039;s cash cow.  TV is not.  Without PPV revenues, WWE&#039;s financial model would be in serious trouble.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It is tenuous and, IMO, largely nonexistent, except in the minds of those who think Pancrase has something to do with the rise of MMA in the middle of this decade and want it so badly to be so that we get circle jerk writing of the same 4 dudes posting that view and then linking to each others articles. Pro Wrestling can blame its poor writing and scandals more than it can MMA for the problems it has right now.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am begging you to tell me the history of pro-wrestling in relation to MMA, starting with the first UWF in 1984.  I&#039;ll be waiting with baited breath to hear your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>C) What proof is there that the WWE’s revenue began falling due to UFC? Just in March of this year, I remember Dave Meltzer saying that wrestling seemed to be set for another boom period, as indicated by rising ratings and DVD sales. Is this about attempting to legitimize the value of pro wrestling through shadow participation in the rise of a real sport, or discussion about MMA causing pro wrestling to hit the skids?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>UFC on PPV is a big enough threat that Linda McMahon has to address it at WWE quarterly conference calls.  PPV is WWE&#8217;s cash cow.  TV is not.  Without PPV revenues, WWE&#8217;s financial model would be in serious trouble.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>It is tenuous and, IMO, largely nonexistent, except in the minds of those who think Pancrase has something to do with the rise of MMA in the middle of this decade and want it so badly to be so that we get circle jerk writing of the same 4 dudes posting that view and then linking to each others articles. Pro Wrestling can blame its poor writing and scandals more than it can MMA for the problems it has right now.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I am begging you to tell me the history of pro-wrestling in relation to MMA, starting with the first UWF in 1984.  I&#8217;ll be waiting with baited breath to hear your response.</p>
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		<title>By: JThue</title>
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		<dc:creator>JThue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And speaking of the pro-wrestlnig link, those UFC conference call comments about testing really sounds like it&#039;s taken straight out of the post-Benoit WWE public appearance directions.

&quot;Jardine says he thinks the current way fighters are tested is fine: &quot;I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a problem.&quot;&quot;

Freakin&#039; yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And speaking of the pro-wrestlnig link, those UFC conference call comments about testing really sounds like it&#8217;s taken straight out of the post-Benoit WWE public appearance directions.</p>
<p>&#8220;Jardine says he thinks the current way fighters are tested is fine: &#8220;I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a problem.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Freakin&#8217; yikes.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why is this link between UFC and WWE foolish? I think for some fans who didn’t take that route, it’s an elitist stance designed to cover over any link that could be used to disparage MMA. Zuffa now feels that a link to the WWE is a negative, but they don’t when going after Brock Lesnar (they know he’s a draw) and they didn’t when matched up with the WWE for TUF1 (they knew it would bring in viewers from their target demographic). It’s clear that the WWE lead-in benefitted the UFC, in terms of initial ratings. Who else was watching SpikeTV at this time? &lt;/i&gt;

A) How is Brock Lesnar a &quot;draw&quot;? He&#039;s drawn nothing in MMA thus far.  

B) What other choice did they have? The UFC was nothing before TUF1. They had been spinning their wheels for years and apart from Shamrock/Ortiz, gotten nowhere fast. 

C) What proof is there that the WWE&#039;s revenue began falling due to UFC? Just in March of this year, I remember Dave Meltzer saying that wrestling seemed to be set for another boom period, as indicated by rising ratings and DVD sales. Is this about attempting to legitimize the value of pro wrestling through shadow participation in the rise of a real sport, or discussion about MMA causing pro wrestling to hit the skids? 

D) A pro wrestling program has seen neither large gains nor large losses even though they play the lead in for MMA. How is this? Shouldn&#039;t MMA have buried TNA?

&lt;i&gt;Again on ratings, it’s pay-per-view spending that matters here. You can say the link is tenuous, but I don’t see an opposing theory that makes sense.&lt;/i&gt;

It is tenuous and, IMO, largely nonexistent, except in the minds of those who think Pancrase has something to do with the rise of MMA in the middle of this decade and want it so badly to be so that we get circle jerk writing of the same 4 dudes posting that view and then linking to each others articles. Pro Wrestling can blame its poor writing and scandals more than it can MMA for the problems it has right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why is this link between UFC and WWE foolish? I think for some fans who didn’t take that route, it’s an elitist stance designed to cover over any link that could be used to disparage MMA. Zuffa now feels that a link to the WWE is a negative, but they don’t when going after Brock Lesnar (they know he’s a draw) and they didn’t when matched up with the WWE for TUF1 (they knew it would bring in viewers from their target demographic). It’s clear that the WWE lead-in benefitted the UFC, in terms of initial ratings. Who else was watching SpikeTV at this time? </i></p>
<p>A) How is Brock Lesnar a &#8220;draw&#8221;? He&#8217;s drawn nothing in MMA thus far.  </p>
<p>B) What other choice did they have? The UFC was nothing before TUF1. They had been spinning their wheels for years and apart from Shamrock/Ortiz, gotten nowhere fast. </p>
<p>C) What proof is there that the WWE&#8217;s revenue began falling due to UFC? Just in March of this year, I remember Dave Meltzer saying that wrestling seemed to be set for another boom period, as indicated by rising ratings and DVD sales. Is this about attempting to legitimize the value of pro wrestling through shadow participation in the rise of a real sport, or discussion about MMA causing pro wrestling to hit the skids? </p>
<p>D) A pro wrestling program has seen neither large gains nor large losses even though they play the lead in for MMA. How is this? Shouldn&#8217;t MMA have buried TNA?</p>
<p><i>Again on ratings, it’s pay-per-view spending that matters here. You can say the link is tenuous, but I don’t see an opposing theory that makes sense.</i></p>
<p>It is tenuous and, IMO, largely nonexistent, except in the minds of those who think Pancrase has something to do with the rise of MMA in the middle of this decade and want it so badly to be so that we get circle jerk writing of the same 4 dudes posting that view and then linking to each others articles. Pro Wrestling can blame its poor writing and scandals more than it can MMA for the problems it has right now.</p>
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