Comments on: Wednesday war room: Does the MMA media kill negative stories?

By: D. Capitated

D. Capitated — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:14:52 +0000

Fighting behind the jab isn’t a “conservative” idea. Its a smart one based in hundreds of years of tried and true experimentation.

By: The Gaijin

The Gaijin — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:10:42 +0000

“Both Kongo and Hammill fought with a conservative hide-behind-the-jab style.”

How the hell do you accuse Hamill of fighting a “conservative” style that’s hard to look good against? Did you even see the fight? He had Bisping backpedalling, stumbling and wobbliing b/c he was on the defensive and taking the fight to him…

By: The Gaijin

The Gaijin — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:08:58 +0000

45:

I’ve just been thinking about how we seem to be on the other side of some close/controversial decisions…and it dawned on me, that while you felt Tito Ortiz beat Forrest Griffin – the very arguments you forward on behalf of Bisping winning his fight are much stronger and more applicable for Forrest.

That being effective jab/striking, ability to avoid and stuff the takedown.

If you watch both of the fights over again – Forrest DOES what you argue Bisping did, but FAR FAR FAR more convincingly. He clearly dominates the 2nd round of the fight and actually follows it up into the 3rd round with effective strikes and takedown defense on an increasingly gassing Tito.

Comments? Thoughts?

By: The Gaijin

The Gaijin — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:36:36 +0000

“In the long run, does it really matter who actually “won” the fight officially on the books? Regardless of who got the “W”, we learned something about both fighters:

1) Maybe Hammill isn’t all that bad. (He’s still not good, though).
2) Bisping isn’t all that good.

Reversing the “W” or the “L” doesn’t change that.”

100% agree – I think I posted something similar to this a few days ago. The damage was done in the court of public opinion.

Look at the ridiculous amount of backlash over the decision – Bisping isn’t going to be able to by hyped off of this “W”…his image has been damaged pretty badly among the fans, both hardcore and casual.

By: GameCritics.com

GameCritics.com — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:27:55 +0000

Both Kongo and Hammill fought with a conservative hide-behind-the-jab style. Its tough to look good against fighters who don’t open up. The difference between Crocop and Bisping is that Hammill tired out and Bisping managed to pull out the win. Bisping needs to learn how to do better against guys who don’t open up, but I think he proved that he could at least find a way to win.

By: Grape Knee High

Grape Knee High — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:02:22 +0000

In the long run, does it really matter who actually “won” the fight officially on the books? Regardless of who got the “W”, we learned something about both fighters:

1) Maybe Hammill isn’t all that bad. (He’s still not good, though).
2) Bisping isn’t all that good.

Reversing the “W” or the “L” doesn’t change that.

By: The Gaijin

The Gaijin — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:54:23 +0000

Bisping got outstruck and rocked by Hamill – someone with suspect stand up himself. Bisping was also got himself caught by Sinosic in his last fight.

His striking is certainly overrated and it showed last weekend. His head movement was non-existent and his ring generalship consisted of running away and throwing defensive jabs.

The fact that he would fight a fight where there is even a need for debate over who won with Hamill exposed how much he has been protected thus far.

By: Fightlinker.com

Fightlinker.com — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:40:30 +0000

Please for the sake of baby Jesus let’s stop dissecting the Bisping/Hamill fight. Both guys have agreed to a rematch and we’ll get to see who really wins when they fight that one.

By: Mick S

Mick S — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:34:49 +0000

Sorry D.Capitated, it was the comments above yours by The Gaijin on monday. Please accpet my apologies.

By: D.Capitated

D.Capitated — Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:09:51 +0000

Oh and D.Capitated Bispings striking isnt awful and he does have a good chin, check out any of his previous fights and that will prove it. The mans never been beaten in any competition, MMA or Kick Boxing. He’s not Rampage Jackson or Fedor but he’s young, up and coming and could be a future champ if he dedicates himself enough.

Huh? I didn’t say anything about Bisping or his striking.