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		<title>By: klown</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/09/05/wednesday-war-room-bma-and-big-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-35015</link>
		<dc:creator>klown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Our research shows that three concussions may be the threshold for lasting damage,&quot; Bailes said.

Uh-oh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our research shows that three concussions may be the threshold for lasting damage,&#8221; Bailes said.</p>
<p>Uh-oh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Scaff</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/09/05/wednesday-war-room-bma-and-big-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-34931</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Scaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D Cap you missed the point of my post.

The point is not that the BMA and AMA should be paying attention to more important social issues.  Thats really funny and obviously not my argument at all.  and I&#039;m not sure what &quot;particular&quot; level of ignorance I was displaying, but...

The point is that there are many other sports and activities that are equally, if not more dangerous AND socially detrimental than MMA and boxing.  And when doctors choose to focus their criticism on MMA and try to outlaw them, while ignoring, and probably in many cases, participating in the many equally risky behaviors (ie, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, skiing/horseback riding) they are being completely hypocrtical.   

Now considering that the doctors are not recommending that alcohol and cigarettes and all sports (which are inherently dangerous) be banned, in choosing to make public statements about MMA and recommending that it be nationally banned (as is the case with the BMA) these doctors associations are really making a POLITICAL statement, which, as doctors, should be beyond the scope of their influence.  

They are not just recommending that people not compete in MMA.  That I can understand that and I acknowledge that it is their responsibility as doctors.  But trying to influence politicians to ban the sport is something I simply cannot accept. Doctors&#039; jobs are to treat people and give them advice, not force them to do things and control their lives.  The AMA and BMA have absolutely no right to try to control what adults living in a free country do with their lives, as long as they are not hurting others (well, you understand).   Just as they have no right to try and force the government to outlaw smoking, drinking, or driving fast cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D Cap you missed the point of my post.</p>
<p>The point is not that the BMA and AMA should be paying attention to more important social issues.  Thats really funny and obviously not my argument at all.  and I&#8217;m not sure what &#8220;particular&#8221; level of ignorance I was displaying, but&#8230;</p>
<p>The point is that there are many other sports and activities that are equally, if not more dangerous AND socially detrimental than MMA and boxing.  And when doctors choose to focus their criticism on MMA and try to outlaw them, while ignoring, and probably in many cases, participating in the many equally risky behaviors (ie, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, skiing/horseback riding) they are being completely hypocrtical.   </p>
<p>Now considering that the doctors are not recommending that alcohol and cigarettes and all sports (which are inherently dangerous) be banned, in choosing to make public statements about MMA and recommending that it be nationally banned (as is the case with the BMA) these doctors associations are really making a POLITICAL statement, which, as doctors, should be beyond the scope of their influence.  </p>
<p>They are not just recommending that people not compete in MMA.  That I can understand that and I acknowledge that it is their responsibility as doctors.  But trying to influence politicians to ban the sport is something I simply cannot accept. Doctors&#8217; jobs are to treat people and give them advice, not force them to do things and control their lives.  The AMA and BMA have absolutely no right to try to control what adults living in a free country do with their lives, as long as they are not hurting others (well, you understand).   Just as they have no right to try and force the government to outlaw smoking, drinking, or driving fast cars.</p>
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		<title>By: StreitigKaiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>StreitigKaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Tito will be moved to the WEC if he loses his rematch with Evans. He would certainly dominate their light heavyweight division and probably bring the name of the promotion up even further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Tito will be moved to the WEC if he loses his rematch with Evans. He would certainly dominate their light heavyweight division and probably bring the name of the promotion up even further.</p>
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		<title>By: LR</title>
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		<dc:creator>LR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jordan.. just think, 1/24/2013 will be a great show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jordan.. just think, 1/24/2013 will be a great show.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Breen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Breen…you see this thread on the UG?&quot;

Actually, a guy emailed me today with this (maybe after seeing the thread):

http://www.mdoc.state.ms.us/InmateDetails.asp?PassedId=124583

I&#039;m really gutted over the whole thing. Hopefully the WEC can cheer me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Breen…you see this thread on the UG?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, a guy emailed me today with this (maybe after seeing the thread):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mdoc.state.ms.us/InmateDetails.asp?PassedId=124583" rel="nofollow">http://www.mdoc.state.ms.us/InmateDetails.asp?PassedId=124583</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m really gutted over the whole thing. Hopefully the WEC can cheer me up.</p>
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		<title>By: cyphron</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyphron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ukiro,
Good points. But I think the difference is in culture. Americans tend to over use hyperbole. Japanese culture and American culture are different. The UFC has succeeded wildly in the way they market their product. I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s going to change any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ukiro,<br />
Good points. But I think the difference is in culture. Americans tend to over use hyperbole. Japanese culture and American culture are different. The UFC has succeeded wildly in the way they market their product. I don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s going to change any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: ukiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>ukiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of how dangerous it is to do a heel-clicker backflip on a bike (or pretty much whatever hazardous recreational activity you can think of), what separates that and pretty much all other sports from MMA is that in this sport inflicting damage is the very point. This has already been said by others, but it&#039;s very very important. If you punch someone in the face in hockey you get a penalty, regardless of how integral fighting is to the unwritten rules of the sports. And even though people die in horse jumping accidents, having the horse fall over and trapping the rider underneath isn&#039;t the point of the sport. 

Many  fighters are very well aware of this, and take every opportunity to emphasize that it&#039;s a sport and they&#039;re just looking to win by whatever means fit within the rules, and that hurting the opponent is not a primary objective.

What I think was a major point for Pride is that in their pre-fight interviews, fighters rarely spoke of wanting to &quot;destroy&quot; their opponent, or use other destructive and threatening language. Instead they spoke of tactics, heart, sportsmanship, technique and conditioning. Well, with the exception of Josh Barnett, who always came across as crude, rude and immature to me.

Compare that with the image portrayed in UFC interviews - it&#039;s bloodlust, hatred and war terminology. I know there are exceptions on both sides and I have the impression that the UFC interviews have toned down the &quot;I will murder him&quot; attitude lately, but I think it would be wise by the UFC and all other promotions to shift focus more to the values I attributed to Pride. Because what happens if someone says &quot;I&#039;ll kill him&quot; and then ends up doing just that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of how dangerous it is to do a heel-clicker backflip on a bike (or pretty much whatever hazardous recreational activity you can think of), what separates that and pretty much all other sports from MMA is that in this sport inflicting damage is the very point. This has already been said by others, but it&#8217;s very very important. If you punch someone in the face in hockey you get a penalty, regardless of how integral fighting is to the unwritten rules of the sports. And even though people die in horse jumping accidents, having the horse fall over and trapping the rider underneath isn&#8217;t the point of the sport. </p>
<p>Many  fighters are very well aware of this, and take every opportunity to emphasize that it&#8217;s a sport and they&#8217;re just looking to win by whatever means fit within the rules, and that hurting the opponent is not a primary objective.</p>
<p>What I think was a major point for Pride is that in their pre-fight interviews, fighters rarely spoke of wanting to &#8220;destroy&#8221; their opponent, or use other destructive and threatening language. Instead they spoke of tactics, heart, sportsmanship, technique and conditioning. Well, with the exception of Josh Barnett, who always came across as crude, rude and immature to me.</p>
<p>Compare that with the image portrayed in UFC interviews &#8211; it&#8217;s bloodlust, hatred and war terminology. I know there are exceptions on both sides and I have the impression that the UFC interviews have toned down the &#8220;I will murder him&#8221; attitude lately, but I think it would be wise by the UFC and all other promotions to shift focus more to the values I attributed to Pride. Because what happens if someone says &#8220;I&#8217;ll kill him&#8221; and then ends up doing just that?</p>
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		<title>By: D.Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, we&#039;re talking about the AMA and BMA. These aren&#039;t small crackpot groups. The AMA is the largest association of doctors in the US. They put out the medical journal with the largest circulation of any on the planet. 1/3 of all physicians in this country are members. 

The fact of the matter is that no physician almost anywhere on this planet can consciously tell you that professional fighting is in your best interests because it isn&#039;t. The act of hand to hand combat for money is inately risky for yourself and your opponent by its very nature, moreso than any other organized sports in the world. Arguing that the BMA and AMA are ignoring more important social issues is just flat ridiculous and shows a particular level of ignorance to the scale at which either operates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, we&#8217;re talking about the AMA and BMA. These aren&#8217;t small crackpot groups. The AMA is the largest association of doctors in the US. They put out the medical journal with the largest circulation of any on the planet. 1/3 of all physicians in this country are members. </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that no physician almost anywhere on this planet can consciously tell you that professional fighting is in your best interests because it isn&#8217;t. The act of hand to hand combat for money is inately risky for yourself and your opponent by its very nature, moreso than any other organized sports in the world. Arguing that the BMA and AMA are ignoring more important social issues is just flat ridiculous and shows a particular level of ignorance to the scale at which either operates.</p>
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		<title>By: MMA Game</title>
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		<dc:creator>MMA Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Daily Mash article is great :) 

I must say I find it quite weird how none of the UK red top rags are jumping on the MMA bandwagon - it&#039;s certainly an opportunity to win over a few people to their paper. I think they&#039;re underestimating how many people would like positive coverage and also how many people probably know more about MMA than the person writing the article and don&#039;t need to hear the monotonous details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Daily Mash article is great <img src='http://www.fightopinion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I must say I find it quite weird how none of the UK red top rags are jumping on the MMA bandwagon &#8211; it&#8217;s certainly an opportunity to win over a few people to their paper. I think they&#8217;re underestimating how many people would like positive coverage and also how many people probably know more about MMA than the person writing the article and don&#8217;t need to hear the monotonous details.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Scaff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Scaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel no need to respond to those who would have MMA banned in the entire country (or any state).

Whether it be a moral argument or a sociological argument, they are both meritless and utterly preposterous.

The reason I feel this way is because these people are unfairly targeting MMA while ignoring literally millions of other activities. The people who want to ban MMA and boxing choose to ignore the many, many dangerous and anti-social sports and hobbies that Americans choose to engage in on a daily basis.  The obvious ones like football, pro-wrestling, car/moto racing, skiing, sky-diving, etc, etc, are all clearly very dangerous activities.  And one could argue that hobbies like promiscuous sex, drinking, partying, dancing, etc, etc, are immoral and degrade societal values.  Yet these people are generally ignoring these things, because they realize it is a waste of time to try and control them.  But because MMA is new and on the fringe and explicitly graphic in its display of danger and risk, they choose to persecute the sport and its community.

That is why I will not for a second entertain the question of whether or not MMA should be banned.  Uneven, unfair, and irrefutably biased persecution and criticism does not warrant a response....other than to say that I will not respond...and in doing so, have just responded.  Well you know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel no need to respond to those who would have MMA banned in the entire country (or any state).</p>
<p>Whether it be a moral argument or a sociological argument, they are both meritless and utterly preposterous.</p>
<p>The reason I feel this way is because these people are unfairly targeting MMA while ignoring literally millions of other activities. The people who want to ban MMA and boxing choose to ignore the many, many dangerous and anti-social sports and hobbies that Americans choose to engage in on a daily basis.  The obvious ones like football, pro-wrestling, car/moto racing, skiing, sky-diving, etc, etc, are all clearly very dangerous activities.  And one could argue that hobbies like promiscuous sex, drinking, partying, dancing, etc, etc, are immoral and degrade societal values.  Yet these people are generally ignoring these things, because they realize it is a waste of time to try and control them.  But because MMA is new and on the fringe and explicitly graphic in its display of danger and risk, they choose to persecute the sport and its community.</p>
<p>That is why I will not for a second entertain the question of whether or not MMA should be banned.  Uneven, unfair, and irrefutably biased persecution and criticism does not warrant a response&#8230;.other than to say that I will not respond&#8230;and in doing so, have just responded.  Well you know what I mean.</p>
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