Comments on: Five things I learned from the UFC 75 conference call http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:38:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Aaron Crossen http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-2/#comment-34567 Aaron Crossen Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:50:10 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34567 You can defend a choke for 15 seconds, but a full-on rear naked, for example, held on for 15 seconds can stop blood flow to parts of the brain that need it nonstop. It's not rocket science, even if Babalu is getting a raw deal. You can defend a choke for 15 seconds, but a full-on rear naked, for example, held on for 15 seconds can stop blood flow to parts of the brain that need it nonstop. It’s not rocket science, even if Babalu is getting a raw deal.

]]> By: MoreThanUFC http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-2/#comment-34553 MoreThanUFC Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:00:28 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34553 I've been reading Zach and FO for what, since he started I guess. I remember when he had zero comments other than mine and a few others. I ave never gotten the opinion that he hated the UFC or Pride or anything really. He does a great job at covering stories many other sites dont. He puts in the work to bring us obscure shit. I love that, that's why I check this site everyday. I dont always agree with him, but hey, that's what makes life fun. On side note, um since when can a choke held for 15 secs cause brain damage? If that were the case, I doubt I would still be able to type and all my friends would be vegetables. Babalu is getting a seriously raw deal. I’ve been reading Zach and FO for what, since he started I guess. I remember when he had zero comments other than mine and a few others. I ave never gotten the opinion that he hated the UFC or Pride or anything really. He does a great job at covering stories many other sites dont. He puts in the work to bring us obscure shit. I love that, that’s why I check this site everyday. I dont always agree with him, but hey, that’s what makes life fun.

On side note, um since when can a choke held for 15 secs cause brain damage? If that were the case, I doubt I would still be able to type and all my friends would be vegetables. Babalu is getting a seriously raw deal.

]]> By: Lynchman http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-2/#comment-34511 Lynchman Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:37:29 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34511 I think Todd has summed it up pretty damn well. I think Todd has summed it up pretty damn well.

]]> By: Todd Martin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-1/#comment-34501 Todd Martin Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:43:40 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34501 The Fertittas and Dana 100 percent for sure knew about the yakuza scandal before they bought. But I don't think that them labeling the brand "tainted" over that and also saying it's a strong brand is an inconsistency. The brand is strong with fans, and tainted among business executives. Just as a random example, Death Row Records was a very strong brand as far as producing music while also being very tainted over their behind the scenes dealings. I think it's two different points that Dana is making there, not an inconsistency or switch in philosophy. I seem to recall Dana referring to Pride as a strong brand even at the post-fight press conference Saturday night. The basic idea is that they have something that is valuable in Japan - the Pride name. But that name is tainted over the business dealings, which makes it impossible for them to get the name to the consumer through TV. I'm not sure I'd criticize UFC over "dealing" with Pride, either. It seems to me there is an important distinction between purchasing a company's assets and entering into business with it. As far as UFC not doing due diligence and looking kind of silly in their unpreparedness for the Japanese market, I'm not going to argue that one. It seems pretty clear at this point they handled the situation wrong from a business standpoint. The Fertittas and Dana 100 percent for sure knew about the yakuza scandal before they bought. But I don’t think that them labeling the brand “tainted” over that and also saying it’s a strong brand is an inconsistency. The brand is strong with fans, and tainted among business executives. Just as a random example, Death Row Records was a very strong brand as far as producing music while also being very tainted over their behind the scenes dealings. I think it’s two different points that Dana is making there, not an inconsistency or switch in philosophy. I seem to recall Dana referring to Pride as a strong brand even at the post-fight press conference Saturday night. The basic idea is that they have something that is valuable in Japan – the Pride name. But that name is tainted over the business dealings, which makes it impossible for them to get the name to the consumer through TV.

I’m not sure I’d criticize UFC over “dealing” with Pride, either. It seems to me there is an important distinction between purchasing a company’s assets and entering into business with it.

As far as UFC not doing due diligence and looking kind of silly in their unpreparedness for the Japanese market, I’m not going to argue that one. It seems pretty clear at this point they handled the situation wrong from a business standpoint.

]]> By: Josh Barnett Still in UFC’s Future? » MMA HQ - Mixed Martial Arts News and Analysis http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-1/#comment-34500 Josh Barnett Still in UFC’s Future? » MMA HQ - Mixed Martial Arts News and Analysis Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:25:18 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34500 [...] his UFC contract. I really haven’t commented at all on the whole Babalu ordeal, but I think Zach Arnold sums it up nicely, so I’ll let my good friends on FightOpinion.com speak for me: You can get fired in UFC if [...] [...] his UFC contract. I really haven’t commented at all on the whole Babalu ordeal, but I think Zach Arnold sums it up nicely, so I’ll let my good friends on FightOpinion.com speak for me: You can get fired in UFC if [...]

]]> By: Zack http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-1/#comment-34489 Zack Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:43:19 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34489 "How’d you know that I was a big fan of the Al Snow/Big Bossman WWE storyline in the 1990s with the Kennel from Hell match?" I must've stopped watching by then. The last Bossman program I remember was his classic feud with Nailz (McMahon's fav independent contractor.) “How’d you know that I was a big fan of the Al Snow/Big Bossman WWE storyline in the 1990s with the Kennel from Hell match?”

I must’ve stopped watching by then. The last Bossman program I remember was his classic feud with Nailz (McMahon’s fav independent contractor.)

]]> By: JThue http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-1/#comment-34482 JThue Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:41:02 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34482 1. Yes, Zach Arnolod has a trendancy to hunt for stuff to critique even when there's nothing there and to then over-sensationalize these invisible objects with severe scrutiny. It's a common thing to happen when one covers a given subject(MMA in this case) so closely over time. 2. No, Zach Arnold is not anti-UFC, he does this with everything that's perceived to be the hot topic at that given time. I think, as so many times before, that the current topic (Dana White)is being handled with a fair core critisism(Dana White really is often inconsistent in his public statements), but that most of the underlining and the exclamation marks are really just mostly a bunch of crap that holds little to no water; aka tabloidism. It is however absolutely hilarious to see the UFC fanbois "call out" Zach Arnold, not even a year after ZA was pretty much daily being accused of aiming for a spot under the Zuffa umbrella. I find it almost disturbing that human beings can be so short sighted/memory ridden, although this *is* the internet, and nothing comes as a surprise anymore. 1. Yes, Zach Arnolod has a trendancy to hunt for stuff to critique even when there’s nothing there and to then over-sensationalize these invisible objects with severe scrutiny. It’s a common thing to happen when one covers a given subject(MMA in this case) so closely over time.

2. No, Zach Arnold is not anti-UFC, he does this with everything that’s perceived to be the hot topic at that given time.

I think, as so many times before, that the current topic (Dana White)is being handled with a fair core critisism(Dana White really is often inconsistent in his public statements), but that most of the underlining and the exclamation marks are really just mostly a bunch of crap that holds little to no water; aka tabloidism.

It is however absolutely hilarious to see the UFC fanbois “call out” Zach Arnold, not even a year after ZA was pretty much daily being accused of aiming for a spot under the Zuffa umbrella. I find it almost disturbing that human beings can be so short sighted/memory ridden, although this *is* the internet, and nothing comes as a surprise anymore.

]]> By: Zach Arnold http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-1/#comment-34480 Zach Arnold Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:17:59 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34480 How'd you know that I was a big fan of the Al Snow/Big Bossman WWE storyline in the 1990s with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_a_Cell" rel="nofollow">Kennel from Hell</a> match? How’d you know that I was a big fan of the Al Snow/Big Bossman WWE storyline in the 1990s with the Kennel from Hell match?

]]> By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy) http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-1/#comment-34479 Jeremy (not that Jeremy) Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:09:21 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34479 Fightlinker.com I have it on very good authority that Zach Arnold LOVE puppy dogs. With a side of fried rice and wonton. Fightlinker.com

I have it on very good authority that Zach Arnold LOVE puppy dogs. With a side of fried rice and wonton.

]]> By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy) http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/comment-page-1/#comment-34475 Jeremy (not that Jeremy) Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:41:25 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/30/five-things-i-learned-from-the-ufc-75-conference-call/#comment-34475 The "lucky to rent office space" thing from Dana is sadly representative of the lot of many US people who go over to Japan to try to live. It's not just office space, it's housing, it's bank accounts, it's restaurants that you can't go into if you're not Japanese looking and a Japanese citizen (both, just one won't work). The Pride brand in Japan is tainted from the perspective of no media outlet will touch it with a ten foot pole. Among fans, particularly the ones in the US, though, the brand is still strong. It's martyr status has just increased it's allure in hindsight for a lot of people who will from this day forward continue to remember it as the "golden days" of MMA. The “lucky to rent office space” thing from Dana is sadly representative of the lot of many US people who go over to Japan to try to live. It’s not just office space, it’s housing, it’s bank accounts, it’s restaurants that you can’t go into if you’re not Japanese looking and a Japanese citizen (both, just one won’t work).

The Pride brand in Japan is tainted from the perspective of no media outlet will touch it with a ten foot pole. Among fans, particularly the ones in the US, though, the brand is still strong. It’s martyr status has just increased it’s allure in hindsight for a lot of people who will from this day forward continue to remember it as the “golden days” of MMA.

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