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		<title>By: nem0</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/09/thursday-evening-news-update-89/comment-page-1/#comment-33031</link>
		<dc:creator>nem0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Montana&#039;s Club Boxing handles their MMA fights better than their &quot;boxing&quot; matches.  The last Thursday Night Fight I attended was sloppy, and the &quot;boxers&quot; were barely more than a bunch of guys pulled off the street to fight for beer money.  Most of the people in the audience were there because the alcohol was cheap and the ring girls were all but naked.

But then again, what can we expect from the people who bring us Evel Kinevel Days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Montana&#8217;s Club Boxing handles their MMA fights better than their &#8220;boxing&#8221; matches.  The last Thursday Night Fight I attended was sloppy, and the &#8220;boxers&#8221; were barely more than a bunch of guys pulled off the street to fight for beer money.  Most of the people in the audience were there because the alcohol was cheap and the ring girls were all but naked.</p>
<p>But then again, what can we expect from the people who bring us Evel Kinevel Days?</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Breen</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/08/09/thursday-evening-news-update-89/comment-page-1/#comment-33030</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jordan, I’d like to see you locked in cage with Freeman or Tanner and I wonder how limited you’ll think their skills are then. ;-)&quot;

I&#039;m about the same size as Freeman and he&#039;d beat my ass. But at the same time, Fedor would probably beat my ass worse. Why? Greater skill set on a far superior fighter. Which of course, is my point.

Also, me yelling like a maniac was just to make good radio. 

And it certainly doesn&#039;t change the fact I got robbed, baby. Caplan, I dunno if you&#039;re a boxing head, but do you know what happened to Antofuermo the second time around? Look into it, sucka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jordan, I’d like to see you locked in cage with Freeman or Tanner and I wonder how limited you’ll think their skills are then. <img src='http://www.fightopinion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m about the same size as Freeman and he&#8217;d beat my ass. But at the same time, Fedor would probably beat my ass worse. Why? Greater skill set on a far superior fighter. Which of course, is my point.</p>
<p>Also, me yelling like a maniac was just to make good radio. </p>
<p>And it certainly doesn&#8217;t change the fact I got robbed, baby. Caplan, I dunno if you&#8217;re a boxing head, but do you know what happened to Antofuermo the second time around? Look into it, sucka.</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo the Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rollo the Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with GameCritics.  We have the chance to define what MMA is going to be while it is still new.  We can make it about out-pointing your opponent or we can make it about finishing your opponent.  It is based on fighting arts and should be about finishing.

Until the rules and the judging criteria change, we will have to tolerate the boring fights.

I approve of rejecting Arona.  He can go to ADCC or some other tournament and show his skills there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with GameCritics.  We have the chance to define what MMA is going to be while it is still new.  We can make it about out-pointing your opponent or we can make it about finishing your opponent.  It is based on fighting arts and should be about finishing.</p>
<p>Until the rules and the judging criteria change, we will have to tolerate the boring fights.</p>
<p>I approve of rejecting Arona.  He can go to ADCC or some other tournament and show his skills there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomer Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomer Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jordan, I’d like to see you locked in cage with Freeman or Tanner and I wonder how limited you’ll think their skills are then.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This Ad Hominem attack (with an appeal to authority basis) on Jordan because he doesn&#039;t fight is as stupid as when Pro Wrestlers criticized Dave Meltzer for &quot;Not doing Wrestling, so he has no room to argue&quot;. One can say food tastes bad without being a chef. It&#039;s a logical fallacy, simply put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jordan, I’d like to see you locked in cage with Freeman or Tanner and I wonder how limited you’ll think their skills are then.</p></blockquote>
<p>This Ad Hominem attack (with an appeal to authority basis) on Jordan because he doesn&#8217;t fight is as stupid as when Pro Wrestlers criticized Dave Meltzer for &#8220;Not doing Wrestling, so he has no room to argue&#8221;. One can say food tastes bad without being a chef. It&#8217;s a logical fallacy, simply put.</p>
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		<title>By: GameCritics.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>GameCritics.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the boring fighter/Arona issue...

I attended my first live show (IFL is NJ) and the biggest thing I walked away with is how obvious it is when fighters aren&#039;t engaging. When you&#039;re watching live and 100% focused on the fight, the non-activity gets amplified many times over and it blantly obvious that fighters should do more. From watching on TV, I use to think that &quot;boring&quot; fights were a part of the game, but now I think its unacceptable for a fighter to dance, cruise or lay n&#039; pray for any extended period of time when audiences pay a lot of money to see a fight. So I&#039;m all for boring fighters getting the boot. Good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the boring fighter/Arona issue&#8230;</p>
<p>I attended my first live show (IFL is NJ) and the biggest thing I walked away with is how obvious it is when fighters aren&#8217;t engaging. When you&#8217;re watching live and 100% focused on the fight, the non-activity gets amplified many times over and it blantly obvious that fighters should do more. From watching on TV, I use to think that &#8220;boring&#8221; fights were a part of the game, but now I think its unacceptable for a fighter to dance, cruise or lay n&#8217; pray for any extended period of time when audiences pay a lot of money to see a fight. So I&#8217;m all for boring fighters getting the boot. Good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: GameCritics.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>GameCritics.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam did all the talking and Jordan just talked really loud. Jordan was just trolling on minor details. The list, like all list, is not pefect, but his rationale makes plenty of sense to me. I think Tanner is an overachiever myself, but I can see where Sam is coming from. Many on the list sit in a gray area and its silly for Jordan to get all worked up over it. Jordan, I&#039;d like to see you locked in cage with Freeman or Tanner and I wonder how limited you&#039;ll think their skills are then. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam did all the talking and Jordan just talked really loud. Jordan was just trolling on minor details. The list, like all list, is not pefect, but his rationale makes plenty of sense to me. I think Tanner is an overachiever myself, but I can see where Sam is coming from. Many on the list sit in a gray area and its silly for Jordan to get all worked up over it. Jordan, I&#8217;d like to see you locked in cage with Freeman or Tanner and I wonder how limited you&#8217;ll think their skills are then. <img src='http://www.fightopinion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan, I think its a good opportunity for another organization to snatch up a top ten lightweight. It&#039;s unfortunately however that we have to watch Liddell/Jardine when most hardcore fans would rather see him tested against top ten dudes, and there are some out there available. Let&#039;s see how Chuck would do against Arona or Lil Nog.

A Chuck fight will sell regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan, I think its a good opportunity for another organization to snatch up a top ten lightweight. It&#8217;s unfortunately however that we have to watch Liddell/Jardine when most hardcore fans would rather see him tested against top ten dudes, and there are some out there available. Let&#8217;s see how Chuck would do against Arona or Lil Nog.</p>
<p>A Chuck fight will sell regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Trembow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Trembow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News from the Wrestling Observer: Zuffa has no plans to offer Ricardo Arona a contract in either the UFC or WEC.

This is a lot of things, but surprising is not one of them.  If you&#039;re perceived by management to be &quot;boring,&quot; you&#039;re SOL... see Matt Lindland... Jeremy Horn... Jens Pulver in 2002 when he wanted to be paid as much as BJ Penn... Ivan Salaverry in 2005... David Loiseau in 2006... Mike Swick not getting his publicly promised title shot becuase his win over Loiseau in 2006 was perceived to be &quot;boring&quot; (which sucked for him because then he lost his next fight, a non-title fight, to Yushin Okami)... Andrei Arlovski not getting his promised title shot because his win over Fabricio Werdum in 2007 was perceived to be &quot;boring&quot; ... Paulo Filho not immediately being snatched up by the UFC (as opposed to the WEC) when he became available in 2007... Jon Fitch being put in non-televised prelims in four of his first five UFC fights (all wins)... or countless other examples that one could point to. 

Ricardo Arona is not the first person that this has applied to and he certainly won&#039;t be the last. Whether this is for the better or worse is for each individual MMA fan to decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News from the Wrestling Observer: Zuffa has no plans to offer Ricardo Arona a contract in either the UFC or WEC.</p>
<p>This is a lot of things, but surprising is not one of them.  If you&#8217;re perceived by management to be &#8220;boring,&#8221; you&#8217;re SOL&#8230; see Matt Lindland&#8230; Jeremy Horn&#8230; Jens Pulver in 2002 when he wanted to be paid as much as BJ Penn&#8230; Ivan Salaverry in 2005&#8230; David Loiseau in 2006&#8230; Mike Swick not getting his publicly promised title shot becuase his win over Loiseau in 2006 was perceived to be &#8220;boring&#8221; (which sucked for him because then he lost his next fight, a non-title fight, to Yushin Okami)&#8230; Andrei Arlovski not getting his promised title shot because his win over Fabricio Werdum in 2007 was perceived to be &#8220;boring&#8221; &#8230; Paulo Filho not immediately being snatched up by the UFC (as opposed to the WEC) when he became available in 2007&#8230; Jon Fitch being put in non-televised prelims in four of his first five UFC fights (all wins)&#8230; or countless other examples that one could point to. </p>
<p>Ricardo Arona is not the first person that this has applied to and he certainly won&#8217;t be the last. Whether this is for the better or worse is for each individual MMA fan to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Fightlinker.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fightlinker.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We like to think our site has a soft chewy center comprised mainly of irony.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly is a &quot;Southern-style whippin&#039;&quot;?

I didn&#039;t catch the part where Larson almost finished Condit with a pile driver but I will have to go back and watch the tape.  I must&#039;ve been too busy putting my new Undertaker poster up.

I find the funniest part of the Fightlinker article to be that he takes a jab at TUF noobs on Sherdog when he&#039;s ranting just like one of them.  No offense, dude.  I understand your anger, but it was just kind of funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly is a &#8220;Southern-style whippin&#8217;&#8221;?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t catch the part where Larson almost finished Condit with a pile driver but I will have to go back and watch the tape.  I must&#8217;ve been too busy putting my new Undertaker poster up.</p>
<p>I find the funniest part of the Fightlinker article to be that he takes a jab at TUF noobs on Sherdog when he&#8217;s ranting just like one of them.  No offense, dude.  I understand your anger, but it was just kind of funny.</p>
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