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	<title>Comments on: Sunday media slate: Gamblers love Kimbo/Tank</title>
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		<title>By: 45 Huddle</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32340</link>
		<dc:creator>45 Huddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fighters don&#039;t have much choice is correct.

1. IFL is losing money like nobodies business.  They will likely be gone by the end of 2008 (only because of more stock being sold).

2. Bodog is not using any fighter who costs more then $10,000 a fight, so they are becoming a minor league system.

3. EliteXC is the best of them all, but they are still new, have 1 champion, and haven&#039;t made a profit yet.

At the end of the day, the UFC pays their top tier fighters really well.  It is up to the managers to work the best deals from there.  If a fighter, based on his skill or experience, is only capable of getting even $5,000/$5,000 from the UFC, then likely he oesn&#039;t even belong there to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fighters don&#8217;t have much choice is correct.</p>
<p>1. IFL is losing money like nobodies business.  They will likely be gone by the end of 2008 (only because of more stock being sold).</p>
<p>2. Bodog is not using any fighter who costs more then $10,000 a fight, so they are becoming a minor league system.</p>
<p>3. EliteXC is the best of them all, but they are still new, have 1 champion, and haven&#8217;t made a profit yet.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the UFC pays their top tier fighters really well.  It is up to the managers to work the best deals from there.  If a fighter, based on his skill or experience, is only capable of getting even $5,000/$5,000 from the UFC, then likely he oesn&#8217;t even belong there to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32335</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be nice to see a minimum amount of money per fight.  But even then can you justify having to pay $10K to an &quot;unknown&quot;...as Grape Knee High said, it&#039;s the exercise of capitalism.  But on the otherhand this doesnt account for the fact that the organization has a great deal more bargaining power than most fighters considering the monopoly-like situation right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be nice to see a minimum amount of money per fight.  But even then can you justify having to pay $10K to an &#8220;unknown&#8221;&#8230;as Grape Knee High said, it&#8217;s the exercise of capitalism.  But on the otherhand this doesnt account for the fact that the organization has a great deal more bargaining power than most fighters considering the monopoly-like situation right now.</p>
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		<title>By: 45 Huddle</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32334</link>
		<dc:creator>45 Huddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with a salary either, I was just using that as a reference number of how much guys like Pavia think MMA guys should be making in a year minimum.  Which is crazy.

Not sure if this has been posted before, but this says a lot about Gary Shaw:

http://www.bet.com/News/GaryShaw.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with a salary either, I was just using that as a reference number of how much guys like Pavia think MMA guys should be making in a year minimum.  Which is crazy.</p>
<p>Not sure if this has been posted before, but this says a lot about Gary Shaw:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bet.com/News/GaryShaw.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bet.com/News/GaryShaw.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32331</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The yearly salary idea is a horrible one for fighting because of the massive importance for each bout and the limited number of times one can realistically compete in the sport. If you sign with the UFC for a entry level contract of $100,000 a year for 3 years, and in the middle of year 2, you win the world title, that means you have a year and a half of title defenses with no increase in pay. From the company&#039;s perspective, in a sport as fluid as MMA, would you want to sign guys to 7 year $40 million dollar contracts? 

It doesn&#039;t guarantee anyone below the top of the card making more money in the UFC, and in fact, it does quite the opposite. Ask fighters if they&#039;d prefer single fight contracts ad nauseum based on their performance to long term deals and see what they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The yearly salary idea is a horrible one for fighting because of the massive importance for each bout and the limited number of times one can realistically compete in the sport. If you sign with the UFC for a entry level contract of $100,000 a year for 3 years, and in the middle of year 2, you win the world title, that means you have a year and a half of title defenses with no increase in pay. From the company&#8217;s perspective, in a sport as fluid as MMA, would you want to sign guys to 7 year $40 million dollar contracts? </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t guarantee anyone below the top of the card making more money in the UFC, and in fact, it does quite the opposite. Ask fighters if they&#8217;d prefer single fight contracts ad nauseum based on their performance to long term deals and see what they say.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32330</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree.  It doesn&#039;t make sense to pay someone if they aren&#039;t fighting, it would be nice to see the fighters get paid more (outside of Liddell, Cotoure, Hughes, Fedor) but what can ya do.  There&#039;s not too many people that have enough leverage to demand huge salaries and until there&#039;s stiffer competition it&#039;s not going to happen.

But when you see an event that grosses +$30M and has a payroll of $300-400K, that leaves a little to be desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree.  It doesn&#8217;t make sense to pay someone if they aren&#8217;t fighting, it would be nice to see the fighters get paid more (outside of Liddell, Cotoure, Hughes, Fedor) but what can ya do.  There&#8217;s not too many people that have enough leverage to demand huge salaries and until there&#8217;s stiffer competition it&#8217;s not going to happen.</p>
<p>But when you see an event that grosses +$30M and has a payroll of $300-400K, that leaves a little to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32329</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fighters will never get yearly salaries. Its a horrible idea for the profession they&#039;re in. Anyone arguing in favor of them needs to try thinking just a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fighters will never get yearly salaries. Its a horrible idea for the profession they&#8217;re in. Anyone arguing in favor of them needs to try thinking just a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32326</link>
		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, is there a salary debate creeping over from Sherdog or something?

Fighter salaries are fine.  It&#039;s called capitalism.  The free market.  Adam Smith, love that guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, is there a salary debate creeping over from Sherdog or something?</p>
<p>Fighter salaries are fine.  It&#8217;s called capitalism.  The free market.  Adam Smith, love that guy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32322</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice of you to make generalizations about my statement and basically show that either you didn&#039;t even bother to read it or just culled out a stupid interpretation of it to fit your argument.

As I said - the teams that are in good markets and not in the markets that idiot Bettman and his syncophants are foolishly attempting to pursue are very successful.  The lockout was basically the culmination of a bitter dispute and the refusal of either side to budge on their stances - put it this way, they settled on the one issue (hard salary cap) and the league&#039;s revenues have risen to the point that the salary cap and average team payroll is HIGHER than the average payroll BEFORE the lockout season.

My two comments in my previous posts were separate. 

1.) I don&#039;t think you will see fighters with $250,000 yearly salaries - I&#039;m sure they could if corporate sponsorship was getting aggressively pursued, however Dana White is an pigheaded idiot who does his best to piss all over the feet of people he shouldn&#039;t be.

2.) Your &quot;report&quot; is just another one of your B.S. &quot;facts&quot; you love to present all the time, with absolutely nothing to back them up (other than &quot;I heard/read etc.), to further your causes.

And you have to realize sports franchises are very complicated structures and entities these days.  They are set up to lose money on paper in many cases.  The Florida Marlins championship team in the late 90&#039;s claimed a huge loss on the franchises books, while another entity was able to claim all the profits - this is obviously a big glossing over of the whole situation, but that&#039;s the basics.  Franchises make money in their gain in value - perfect case - the Nashville Predators that are in a terrible market and are going to be moved were on the block to Jim Ballsile for $230M which is about $100M more than the franchise was originally awarded for.  I&#039;d hardly call a league unsuccessful when one of its &quot;weak&quot; franchises has doubled in value in less than 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice of you to make generalizations about my statement and basically show that either you didn&#8217;t even bother to read it or just culled out a stupid interpretation of it to fit your argument.</p>
<p>As I said &#8211; the teams that are in good markets and not in the markets that idiot Bettman and his syncophants are foolishly attempting to pursue are very successful.  The lockout was basically the culmination of a bitter dispute and the refusal of either side to budge on their stances &#8211; put it this way, they settled on the one issue (hard salary cap) and the league&#8217;s revenues have risen to the point that the salary cap and average team payroll is HIGHER than the average payroll BEFORE the lockout season.</p>
<p>My two comments in my previous posts were separate. </p>
<p>1.) I don&#8217;t think you will see fighters with $250,000 yearly salaries &#8211; I&#8217;m sure they could if corporate sponsorship was getting aggressively pursued, however Dana White is an pigheaded idiot who does his best to piss all over the feet of people he shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>2.) Your &#8220;report&#8221; is just another one of your B.S. &#8220;facts&#8221; you love to present all the time, with absolutely nothing to back them up (other than &#8220;I heard/read etc.), to further your causes.</p>
<p>And you have to realize sports franchises are very complicated structures and entities these days.  They are set up to lose money on paper in many cases.  The Florida Marlins championship team in the late 90&#8217;s claimed a huge loss on the franchises books, while another entity was able to claim all the profits &#8211; this is obviously a big glossing over of the whole situation, but that&#8217;s the basics.  Franchises make money in their gain in value &#8211; perfect case &#8211; the Nashville Predators that are in a terrible market and are going to be moved were on the block to Jim Ballsile for $230M which is about $100M more than the franchise was originally awarded for.  I&#8217;d hardly call a league unsuccessful when one of its &#8220;weak&#8221; franchises has doubled in value in less than 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32321</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (not that Jeremy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fighters know exactly when they will be tested and can cycle round that accordingly.&quot;

Which is exactly why you test every month.  You may miss them this month, you may miss them next month, but eventually you&#039;re going to get the hit on the drug or the masking agent or T/E.

You&#039;re extremely likely to find it in the first three months.  With random testing only when fighters get in the ring, you may never catch cheaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fighters know exactly when they will be tested and can cycle round that accordingly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is exactly why you test every month.  You may miss them this month, you may miss them next month, but eventually you&#8217;re going to get the hit on the drug or the masking agent or T/E.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re extremely likely to find it in the first three months.  With random testing only when fighters get in the ring, you may never catch cheaters.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/07/29/sunday-media-slate-gamblers-love-kimbotank/comment-page-1/#comment-32319</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Drug testing every month is almost too much. Florian is pissed because he lost to a guy who now got busted for steroids. Sadly for him, Sherk was tested for their fight and came up clean, so Florian lost because of SKILL not STEROIDS.&quot;

Or maybe he lost to Sherk getting his cycle right that time and skills.

Fighters know exactly when they will be tested and can cycle round that accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Drug testing every month is almost too much. Florian is pissed because he lost to a guy who now got busted for steroids. Sadly for him, Sherk was tested for their fight and came up clean, so Florian lost because of SKILL not STEROIDS.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or maybe he lost to Sherk getting his cycle right that time and skills.</p>
<p>Fighters know exactly when they will be tested and can cycle round that accordingly.</p>
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