Comments on: Writer: MMA fans are cave dwellers

By: FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry.

FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry. — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:59:50 +0000

[...] June 4th, we highlighted a June 4th article by Brian VanOchten in the Grand Rapids Press that was a baseless attack on MMA and the industry’s supporters. It drew so much heat online [...]

By: ToeLock

ToeLock — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:51:48 +0000

This guy is obviously depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.

By: The Gaijin

The Gaijin — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:30:34 +0000

I love that completely moronic people like this can write completely inaccurate, spiteful and outright slanderous and insulting dredge and then when they are responded to anywhere near as vehemently as they themselves have spoken, they try to use this as evidence to back up those claims.

If you constantly prod, challenge and incite your subject matter what response do you expect? Especially when you take their intelligent responses and skewer, dismiss and belittle them anyways….hackery at its finest.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:05:15 +0000

Sorry guys, I know the general idea is the present MMA fans as intelligent when replying to mainstream writers, but this Brian VanDoublechin deserves to be completely ripped. Let the sherdoggers attack.

By: Royal B. Breaks is pondering...

Royal B. Breaks is pondering... — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:00:46 +0000

I’d like to bring Mr. VanOcten to my father’s class at SVSU to show him how positive a “neanderthal sport” can be for martial arts. I think that’s one challenge he can never disprove.

By: 1000 Cent

1000 Cent — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:48:09 +0000

“C. They still think the ‘Flintstones’ is a documentary.”

I guess someone is plagurizing Lewis Black’s stand up routine.

And not for nothing, but Brian Vanochten looks like he has been living in his parents basement for the past 40 years. And for all of those sports analogies this guy mentioned, I bump draft the CPU all of the time in Forza Motorsport 2, not to mention the Pick and Roll is a must play for me in the NBA 2K series (and I do understand the infield fly rule, and I think it’s weak that someone can drop the ball and still be called out), and anyone who has played Madden long enough knows about how you need perfect blockers. But if I write a letter explaining all of this to Vanochten, he will write back saying how video games ruined a generation.

Well, I guess when society passes you, the only thing you can be is bitter .

By: Grape Knee High

Grape Knee High — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:45:36 +0000

“I agree Zach. The merits of the article (or lack of them) are what need to be addressed, not what he looks like.”

Personally, I don’t think anything needs to be addressed. It’s futile.

The guy is a moron, not just for his MMA comments. Any sportswriter who thinks a pick and roll or a bump draft is anything more complicated than adding 1 + 1 is not worth responding to.

On top of that, I agree with him…kind of. He’s wrong about MMA, but he’s right that many of the fans are morons and knuckle-draggers.

By: 1000 Cent

1000 Cent — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:38:11 +0000

Well, IMO, it’s pretty much turned into boxing fans thinking “the sky is falling”, and are looking for any excuse to say why their sport is dying. They could go with the obvious answer and say it’s the promoters and high PPV prices, but that would be taking a direct shot at the business, and no writer wants to do that. So they take shots at products like Mixed Martial Arts, and in particular, UFC because it makes it to the fans and readers sound like it’s everyone else’s fault that boxing is in a hole right now.

So what’s the argument, well IMO, even a “UFC is stealing are top prospects, so boxing can’t find the next big star” sounds selfish, so ironically writers attack UFC for being more of a fight then boxing.

IMO, it’s almost as ridiculous as the average American complaining about how pro wrestling is “too fake”, but get angry at Mixed Martial Arts because it’s barbaric for being “too real”. And everyone wonders why you can’t take the pro-boxing writers seriously.

By: Jonathan

Jonathan — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:16:42 +0000

Adam

Clearly un-educated does not begin to describe that guy. Besides that haircut (shudder), comparing MMA fans to Neanderthal cave dwellers is pretty dang low and really really dumb. I thought that Geico figured that out.

Also, isn’t Terry Martin, a UFC Fighter, working on his PhD dissertation? Thought so.

By: Adam Morgan

Adam Morgan — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:34:56 +0000

This article, and many others like it over the past two weeks, is written by someone who is clearly uneducated when it comes to MMA. I am absolutely sick of these “experts” running their mouths about a subject they clearly know nothing about. I encourage these media outlets to bring on REAL writers and REAL experts to talk about MMA and not some standby general sports writer.