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	<title>Comments on: Meltzer: Sakakibara tells PRIDE staff the company is sold</title>
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		<title>By: Wrestling Chronicle &#187; Weekend Update</title>
		<link>http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/03/22/meltzer-sakakibara-tells-pride-staff-the-company-is-sold/comment-page-2/#comment-21513</link>
		<dc:creator>Wrestling Chronicle &#187; Weekend Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 04:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Then came word PRIDEâ€™s operator was telling his staff a deal in principle had been reached. This was reported later that night (Thursday night) by Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer. Here is Zachâ€™s report (with a link to Meltzerâ€™s) with speculation on the validity. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Then came word PRIDEâ€™s operator was telling his staff a deal in principle had been reached. This was reported later that night (Thursday night) by Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer. Here is Zachâ€™s report (with a link to Meltzerâ€™s) with speculation on the validity. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D.Capitated: 

IF you actually believe that utterly garbage comparision you made and MOST of the points you made...you&#039;re exactly what this sport doesnt need.

UNEDUCATED fear mongering in order to lord your views over that of others who have numbers and facts on their sides.  By using logic like your&#039;s - it should be illegal to cross the street b/c you *might* be struck by a bus.

The arguments against such rules are petty, biased and completely unfounded.  Trying to compare biting and eye gouging to actual skilled striking is fucking insanely stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D.Capitated: </p>
<p>IF you actually believe that utterly garbage comparision you made and MOST of the points you made&#8230;you&#8217;re exactly what this sport doesnt need.</p>
<p>UNEDUCATED fear mongering in order to lord your views over that of others who have numbers and facts on their sides.  By using logic like your&#8217;s &#8211; it should be illegal to cross the street b/c you *might* be struck by a bus.</p>
<p>The arguments against such rules are petty, biased and completely unfounded.  Trying to compare biting and eye gouging to actual skilled striking is fucking insanely stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to knees in four point/soccer kicks: There&#039;s a lot of rules that affect certain guys. If headbutts, biting, and eye gouging were legal, perhaps fights would be more entertaining and Gilbert Yvel would be the greatest of all time. The reason those methods are outlawed in the US is because there is the obvious fear that stomping someone&#039;s head can cause crippling injury and/or death in ways punching someone in the head or getting a double leg takedown can&#039;t. While I&#039;m not necessarily adverse to knees in four point, the fact is that this is a sport, not professional wrestling where stomps are a transitional move, and we&#039;re many years past the point where a point needs to be made about trying to lay on the ground in a fight or something along those lines. Let&#039;s try to keep that in mind, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to knees in four point/soccer kicks: There&#8217;s a lot of rules that affect certain guys. If headbutts, biting, and eye gouging were legal, perhaps fights would be more entertaining and Gilbert Yvel would be the greatest of all time. The reason those methods are outlawed in the US is because there is the obvious fear that stomping someone&#8217;s head can cause crippling injury and/or death in ways punching someone in the head or getting a double leg takedown can&#8217;t. While I&#8217;m not necessarily adverse to knees in four point, the fact is that this is a sport, not professional wrestling where stomps are a transitional move, and we&#8217;re many years past the point where a point needs to be made about trying to lay on the ground in a fight or something along those lines. Let&#8217;s try to keep that in mind, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However if Zuffa buys Pride as a company (in other words becomes a DSE shareholder) then with Pride comes any liabilities associated with it.&quot;

Well, sure, but we were talking about reasons that would prevent the sale from taking place.  A police investigation into the owners of DSE has nothing to do with selling PRIDE.  What happens to Microsoft of Bill Gates turns out to be in the mafia?  Nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However if Zuffa buys Pride as a company (in other words becomes a DSE shareholder) then with Pride comes any liabilities associated with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, sure, but we were talking about reasons that would prevent the sale from taking place.  A police investigation into the owners of DSE has nothing to do with selling PRIDE.  What happens to Microsoft of Bill Gates turns out to be in the mafia?  Nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gaijin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gaijin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the &quot;stomps/soccerkicks&quot; - the US MMA unified rules are really holding back some exciting fights.

Case in point: Silva vs. Hendo II.

Hendo went in for a shot in the 3rd round when he&#039;d taken some solid shots.  It was a lazy shoot and Silva caught him with a great sprawl.  He then had him in perfect position to deliver some vicious knees from the clinch.  But since Henderson was in the 4-point stance...he couldnt do anything.  And the worst part was Henderson took advantage of the rule even more by purposely maintaining the 4-point stance.  Why bother trying to stand back up? You&#039;re safer there.  In a PRIDE fight, under PRIDE rules I&#039;d say that could very well have effected the outcome of the fight.  

The &quot;Unified Rules&quot; penalize strikers and are skewed to grapplers/wrestlers.  If you got for a takedown here&#039;s what happens: (a) you get him down are on top - adv. grappler; (b) you shoot and don&#039;t get the takedown - AT WORST - its a neutral position as he cannot kick and knee you.  So you&#039;re free to flail on the ground hoping to trip them up.

There should be something in place that penalizes the grappler for making a lazy shoot.  He shouldnt be able to go for a move that puts him in (a) advantageous position or (b) neutral position - there needs to be that (c) disadvantaged position...otherwise why wouldnt you continually attempt something that in no way hurts your position?

I realize im generalizing it to the extreme - but I feel the point still holds significant weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the &#8220;stomps/soccerkicks&#8221; &#8211; the US MMA unified rules are really holding back some exciting fights.</p>
<p>Case in point: Silva vs. Hendo II.</p>
<p>Hendo went in for a shot in the 3rd round when he&#8217;d taken some solid shots.  It was a lazy shoot and Silva caught him with a great sprawl.  He then had him in perfect position to deliver some vicious knees from the clinch.  But since Henderson was in the 4-point stance&#8230;he couldnt do anything.  And the worst part was Henderson took advantage of the rule even more by purposely maintaining the 4-point stance.  Why bother trying to stand back up? You&#8217;re safer there.  In a PRIDE fight, under PRIDE rules I&#8217;d say that could very well have effected the outcome of the fight.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;Unified Rules&#8221; penalize strikers and are skewed to grapplers/wrestlers.  If you got for a takedown here&#8217;s what happens: (a) you get him down are on top &#8211; adv. grappler; (b) you shoot and don&#8217;t get the takedown &#8211; AT WORST &#8211; its a neutral position as he cannot kick and knee you.  So you&#8217;re free to flail on the ground hoping to trip them up.</p>
<p>There should be something in place that penalizes the grappler for making a lazy shoot.  He shouldnt be able to go for a move that puts him in (a) advantageous position or (b) neutral position &#8211; there needs to be that (c) disadvantaged position&#8230;otherwise why wouldnt you continually attempt something that in no way hurts your position?</p>
<p>I realize im generalizing it to the extreme &#8211; but I feel the point still holds significant weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I still donâ€™t see how investigating the possibly-soon-to-be-former owners of PRIDE can have any bearing on a legitimate business transaction, unless theyâ€™re breaking laws in the process of the transaction.

If Japanese authorities use the cash to trace back to Yakuza, that means the sale would have already taken place. &quot;

It depends on how the purchase goes through. If it is an asset purchase then it is no different than buying physical property and it is no big deal. However if Zuffa buys Pride as a company (in other words becomes a DSE shareholder) then with Pride comes any liabilities associated with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still donâ€™t see how investigating the possibly-soon-to-be-former owners of PRIDE can have any bearing on a legitimate business transaction, unless theyâ€™re breaking laws in the process of the transaction.</p>
<p>If Japanese authorities use the cash to trace back to Yakuza, that means the sale would have already taken place. &#8221;</p>
<p>It depends on how the purchase goes through. If it is an asset purchase then it is no different than buying physical property and it is no big deal. However if Zuffa buys Pride as a company (in other words becomes a DSE shareholder) then with Pride comes any liabilities associated with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding stomps:

I think stomps/soccer kicks to the head of a downed opponent does have the potential to make a fight more exciting and definitely gives the fighters more options.  That said, I could do without them.  Having them there does detract from the &quot;sporting&quot; element to MMA.  As someone noted earlier, it&#039;s not a street fight.

One thing that always disturbed me about this rule was the double knee drop Hunt attempted on Nishijima.  Can you imagine the carnage that would have been done to Nishijima&#039;s face had Hunt actually connected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding stomps:</p>
<p>I think stomps/soccer kicks to the head of a downed opponent does have the potential to make a fight more exciting and definitely gives the fighters more options.  That said, I could do without them.  Having them there does detract from the &#8220;sporting&#8221; element to MMA.  As someone noted earlier, it&#8217;s not a street fight.</p>
<p>One thing that always disturbed me about this rule was the double knee drop Hunt attempted on Nishijima.  Can you imagine the carnage that would have been done to Nishijima&#8217;s face had Hunt actually connected?</p>
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		<title>By: D. Capitated</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Capitated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The ruleset is the reason why PRIDE has been able to give us great fights and itâ€™s the Unified Rules in America that keeps the sport back. Just look at how people start booing in UFC events when it hits the ground. &lt;/i&gt;

Really? So having stomps would make people enjoy watching someone work from the bottom more? How exactly does that work? Boy, that crowd sure hated watching Couture and Monson lay on Sylvia, or when Penn work rubber guard against Hughes. If you listen closely enough, those absolutely molten cheers are really jeers directed at Penn&#039;s effort towards an omoplata.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The ruleset is the reason why PRIDE has been able to give us great fights and itâ€™s the Unified Rules in America that keeps the sport back. Just look at how people start booing in UFC events when it hits the ground. </i></p>
<p>Really? So having stomps would make people enjoy watching someone work from the bottom more? How exactly does that work? Boy, that crowd sure hated watching Couture and Monson lay on Sylvia, or when Penn work rubber guard against Hughes. If you listen closely enough, those absolutely molten cheers are really jeers directed at Penn&#8217;s effort towards an omoplata.</p>
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		<title>By: Grape Knee High</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grape Knee High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They have been investigating things. However, tracing things like Yakuza connections is a hard task and $65 Million dollars makes it damn easy to trace where that money is going.&quot;

I still don&#039;t see how investigating the possibly-soon-to-be-former owners of PRIDE can have any bearing on a legitimate business transaction, unless they&#039;re breaking laws in the process of the transaction.

If Japanese authorities use the cash to trace back to Yakuza, that means the sale would have already taken place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They have been investigating things. However, tracing things like Yakuza connections is a hard task and $65 Million dollars makes it damn easy to trace where that money is going.&#8221;</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t see how investigating the possibly-soon-to-be-former owners of PRIDE can have any bearing on a legitimate business transaction, unless they&#8217;re breaking laws in the process of the transaction.</p>
<p>If Japanese authorities use the cash to trace back to Yakuza, that means the sale would have already taken place.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How many Pride fighters have employed stomps? Two, Silva and Shogun, maybe Sergei.&quot;

Are you serious? Well for one, Sakuraba jumping over the guard would&#039;ve never been legal. Cro Cop has finished dudes by booting them in the head a handfull of times. Baroni/Minowa 1 comes to mind as a recent fight that was finished decisively due to stomps. There are a ton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How many Pride fighters have employed stomps? Two, Silva and Shogun, maybe Sergei.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you serious? Well for one, Sakuraba jumping over the guard would&#8217;ve never been legal. Cro Cop has finished dudes by booting them in the head a handfull of times. Baroni/Minowa 1 comes to mind as a recent fight that was finished decisively due to stomps. There are a ton.</p>
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