Comments on: Monday MMA headlines http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:19:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15932 The Gaijin Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:20:09 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15932 *The last paragraph refers to UFC's buyrates outside of the USA. *The last paragraph refers to UFC’s buyrates outside of the USA.

]]> By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15908 The Gaijin Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:39:30 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15908 You've neglected to point out the MONSTER DRAWS they made in Japan with the use of the Gracies' throughout the 90's. From Rickson's fights, to building the legend of the Gracie Killer with Sakuraba, to the introduction of Bushido with Japan vs. The Gracies and I'm pretty sure the Shockwave show featuring the rematch of Gracie vs. Yoshida was a pretty big sell as well. As for Shamrock, I'm pretty certain there was a pretty big audience to see the Shamrock vs. Frye blood feud at PFC 19:Bad Blood. I'm sure if DSE put the kind of build and marketing into their US PPV's as they did with all of their pre-Shockwave '05 cards they'd be doing monster business too. I think it's a really difficult comparison to make b/c PRIDE's situation now is a lot different then it was even 18 months ago; but looking at the way they were able to sell to their market vs. the way that the UFC sells to its market would be a far better comparison. Because to me the comparison you're trying to make would be akin to seeing how their PPV buyrates are in Japan, Brazil etc. I'm sure its just as neglible...they're selling markets that are VASTLY different. You’ve neglected to point out the MONSTER DRAWS they made in Japan with the use of the Gracies’ throughout the 90’s. From Rickson’s fights, to building the legend of the Gracie Killer with Sakuraba, to the introduction of Bushido with Japan vs. The Gracies and I’m pretty sure the Shockwave show featuring the rematch of Gracie vs. Yoshida was a pretty big sell as well. As for Shamrock, I’m pretty certain there was a pretty big audience to see the Shamrock vs. Frye blood feud at PFC 19:Bad Blood.

I’m sure if DSE put the kind of build and marketing into their US PPV’s as they did with all of their pre-Shockwave ‘05 cards they’d be doing monster business too. I think it’s a really difficult comparison to make b/c PRIDE’s situation now is a lot different then it was even 18 months ago; but looking at the way they were able to sell to their market vs. the way that the UFC sells to its market would be a far better comparison.

Because to me the comparison you’re trying to make would be akin to seeing how their PPV buyrates are in Japan, Brazil etc. I’m sure its just as neglible…they’re selling markets that are VASTLY different.

]]> By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15886 The Gaijin Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:04:39 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15886 Critic, That's a HORRIBLE comparison to try and draw parallels. Since when has PRIDE outside of their last two events in the US attempted to "market" USA PPV's. I swear to god if Dana White stops short you'll have a good idea of what he ate for breakfast...get back to me when you're done knocking down strawmen. Critic,

That’s a HORRIBLE comparison to try and draw parallels. Since when has PRIDE outside of their last two events in the US attempted to “market” USA PPV’s.

I swear to god if Dana White stops short you’ll have a good idea of what he ate for breakfast…get back to me when you’re done knocking down strawmen.

]]> By: Tomer Chen http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15882 Tomer Chen Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:19:18 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15882 <blockquote>About as interesting as when they said they wanted to do their first US show in February with Lesnar fighting on the bill. Wake me up when they have a date on an athletic commission’s ledger. Y’all give too much cred to these Japanese promoters just babbling for the papers like they always do.</blockquote> To quote Bob Arum: "Yesterday I was lying. Today I'm telling the truth." Seems to capture the promoter mold to a 'T'.

About as interesting as when they said they wanted to do their first US show in February with Lesnar fighting on the bill.

Wake me up when they have a date on an athletic commission’s ledger. Y’all give too much cred to these Japanese promoters just babbling for the papers like they always do.

To quote Bob Arum: “Yesterday I was lying. Today I’m telling the truth.”

Seems to capture the promoter mold to a ‘T’.

]]> By: fightlinker.com http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15881 fightlinker.com Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:09:49 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15881 I agree with Jordan ... what's said and what's real are two completely different things. The subterfuge used by these guys has hit almost pro-wrestling standards. I agree with Jordan … what’s said and what’s real are two completely different things. The subterfuge used by these guys has hit almost pro-wrestling standards.

]]> By: The MMA Critic http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15879 The MMA Critic Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:03:14 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15879 It is all about market. Pride has used Shamrock & Gracie on American PPV with almost no major increase in buyrates. The UFC uses each of these fighters, and they get great ratings. It is all about market. Pride has used Shamrock & Gracie on American PPV with almost no major increase in buyrates. The UFC uses each of these fighters, and they get great ratings.

]]> By: Jordan Breen http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15878 Jordan Breen Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:00:25 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15878 "HERO’s announced that they want to do their first US show either May or June and it will be co headlined by Brock Lesnar and Royce Gracie (in individual matches)…intresting…" About as interesting as when they said they wanted to do their first US show in February with Lesnar fighting on the bill. Wake me up when they have a date on an athletic commission's ledger. Y'all give too much cred to these Japanese promoters just babbling for the papers like they always do. “HERO’s announced that they want to do their first US show either May or June and it will be co headlined by Brock Lesnar and Royce Gracie (in individual matches)…intresting…”

About as interesting as when they said they wanted to do their first US show in February with Lesnar fighting on the bill.

Wake me up when they have a date on an athletic commission’s ledger. Y’all give too much cred to these Japanese promoters just babbling for the papers like they always do.

]]> By: JOSH http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15873 JOSH Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:28:48 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15873 HERO's announced that they want to do their first US show either May or June and it will be co headlined by Brock Lesnar and Royce Gracie (in individual matches)...intresting... http://www.k-1fans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32305 HERO’s announced that they want to do their first US show either May or June and it will be co headlined by Brock Lesnar and Royce Gracie (in individual matches)…intresting…

http://www.k-1fans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32305

]]> By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15866 The Gaijin Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:43:08 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15866 Did I read that right? "UFC officials have not confirmed that they are the other potential buyer" [paraphrased]?? Hasn't Dana White been openly admitting this every chance he gets? I'd say the PRESIDENT of the company openly admitting this on the record is pretty good affirmation. Did I read that right?

“UFC officials have not confirmed that they are the other potential buyer” [paraphrased]??

Hasn’t Dana White been openly admitting this every chance he gets? I’d say the PRESIDENT of the company openly admitting this on the record is pretty good affirmation.

]]> By: The Gaijin http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/comment-page-1/#comment-15864 The Gaijin Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:35:07 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/02/18/monday-mma-headlines/#comment-15864 If the company is in such dire financial straits and they have a "white knight" in Ed Fishman, what the hell is the hold-up? I'm assuming this relates to the fact that the Yakuza isn't to wild about parting with their "Shell company" - wouldnt they at least realize some sort of profit? With the org apparently bleeding money like crazy you'd think this would be the perfect stop gap. Someone actually willing to pony up some cash for what is appearing more and more to be a sinking ship. If the company is in such dire financial straits and they have a “white knight” in Ed Fishman, what the hell is the hold-up?

I’m assuming this relates to the fact that the Yakuza isn’t to wild about parting with their “Shell company” – wouldnt they at least realize some sort of profit? With the org apparently bleeding money like crazy you’d think this would be the perfect stop gap.

Someone actually willing to pony up some cash for what is appearing more and more to be a sinking ship.

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