As for the effect that it would have had on the Herring vs. O’Brien fight, I’d actually argue that it would have made O’Brien more likely to win by stoppage, not Herring. It was O’Brien who was taking down Herring at all and would have been able to use knees to the head when Herring would constantly turtle up on all fours on the ground.”

If Dana thinks knees should be legal, and Ratner is in his pocket, perhaps within a year or two we will see kness on the ground..

As for the Herring-O’Brien fight, I don’t think O’Brien would have the know how nor the confidence to effectively use knees on the ground. Hell, he barely had enough confidence to punch on the ground..

Heath on the other hand has great knees, and the second time he knocked O’Brien down, he was in perfect position to knee the fuck out of O’Brien’s head. I would agree with you that Heath was certainly turtled up a lot, but I don’t have enough confidence in O’Brien’s offense to think he would capitalize on it at all.

Probably not very good. The UFC has a lot of influence over this, and their position on the matter has changed a couple times. They fought long and hard to argue that knees on the ground should be legal when Pride was trying to get sanctioned in the US, but Dana White recently said in an interview that he thinks knees to the head on the ground should be legal.

As for the effect that it would have had on the Herring vs. O’Brien fight, I’d actually argue that it would have made O’Brien more likely to win by stoppage, not Herring. It was O’Brien who was taking down Herring at all and would have been able to use knees to the head when Herring would constantly turtle up on all fours on the ground.

February 1st, 2007 at 6:43 pm
“UFC 67 should be “PRIDE FC REVENGE” . When the average UFC fan witnesses Mirko and Rampage destroy UFC cans Sanchez and Eastman, every Pride PPV will escalate in sales as most of the UFC fans will want to know more about where the worlds greatest fighters are coming from. What an informercial for PRIDEFC.
One could almost argue that the most important signing for PRIDEFC was allowing Mirko to go to the UFC and waltz all over their best fighters.
When the fans see how dominant MIRKO is, they will want to see the fighters that MIRKO could not defeat in Fedor, Big Nog and Mark Hunt.”

No offense, but you clearly know fuck all about the UFC’s consumers.

Also, after speaking to Toshiharu Suzuki from the International Shooto Commission, he’s seemed to claim ignorance, saying that he didn’t know exactly what the promoters had told Pedernieras, Pequeno and others, and that they didn’t want to bring in any Brazilians, that was their choice. Either way, Pequeno is supposed to return the title on Monday.

Breen, obviously your bullshit overshadows your intellectual quodiant. As formerly just a UFC comsumer, I once was as near sited as yourself. Any fan of any sport wants to know how and where the best atheletes come from?
Just because you are ignorant to research, don’t claim to interview anyone them claim to have found the information on your own. Plagerism is not legal.

Thanks for the info. The UFC is like the fucking mafia the way they ruthlessly block other competitors from taking their market share and prop up puppet companies that look like legitimate competition. If nothing else, Dana and friends are quite shrewd.

Does anyone know what the chances are of American athletic commissions ever allowing knees to the head on the ground? I dont need to see stomps or soccer kicks, but knees to the head on the ground really can make the difference in fights. For instance with knees on the ground, Heath might have finished Jake Obrien.

None of the fighters from those orgs has been hyped as an “international superstar” like Cro Cop and Rampage have. Name one KOTC fighter making his UFC debut who has been featured as a co-headliner for a PPV. Perhaps more importantly, none of the fighters from those orgs is as good as Cro Cop.

They know that they need more than the FSN deal, but TV deals are hard to come by. When the Versus Network started talking about getting into the game and was in negotiations for sure with the IFL and perhaps with Pride as well, that’s when the UFC bought the WEC and it is one of the primary reasons for the purchase according to the Wrestling Observer— one less TV deal for any competitor to get.

If doing good in another promotion would drive masses of fans to the fighters former employer, promotions like KOTC, Icon, RotR, RitC and others would be making shitloads of money….

ED’s info about the website conking out from the traffic is a pretty good indication of that.

Nobody’s saying that fans are going to ditch the UFC for the organisation their new-found stars used to fight in, I don’t think.