Comments on: Showtime & Elite first show

By: shannon

shannon — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:29:38 +0000

It is nice to see some women fighters. When watching women fight I find they want to prove themselves in a man’s sport, hence there can be some really good fights

By: Lance

Lance — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:27:53 +0000

I cannot believe Frank shamrock is mainevent, lets be real he is a businessman not a fighter. That is why he is going after Gracies instead of strikers. He would not be able to stand with any of the top fighters Vanderlai Silva, Mirko Cro Cop, Chuck Liddel, or even a rich franklin.
If Frank was the best of the best why would he waste his time with Phil Baroni. To be main event you have to not duck anyone, full respect given to Renzo to take this fight, The rules do not suit Renzo but unlike frank he is prepared to fight anyone. Frank has no excuses its about time he steps up and fights a top MMA contender

By: grafdog

grafdog — Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:13:26 +0000

Oh, and Renzo was robbed in his fight with Newton, he clearly won that one. I predict Renzo wins while not suffering much damage in part II.

Frank is sad these days, he made a bad decision leaving seg ufc and now he seems content to exist only in the pale shadow that remains of his bro’s gracie fued. I remember when he”came out of his brother Ken’s shadow” too bad he wasn’t able to create anything on his own during that time. For all his talk this just shows his limited imagination and inability to map out new territory on his own. Remember his Shootbox? i’m surprised Wand and the rest of Chutebox didn’t give him a beating for that one.

By: grafdog

grafdog — Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:56:12 +0000

Yeah Fujita got that hapless boxer(who was a last minute replacement for that old boxer whos name i forget, was it Tooney?) in a standing head and arm choke that didn’t look all that tight. It was a sad fight and a crummy rule as most of the fight is spent getting the fighters back up and restarting them. It should be up to the promotions, but i think that if control is gained after a takedown the fighters should be warned every 10-15 seconds to get moving in one of three ways(improve position/go for submission/raining heavy blows) after 2 warnings a stand up. 30-45 sec total mat time is plenty of time to start setting up strikes, superior position or subs.

By: JThue

JThue — Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:14:21 +0000

“Fujita had to pull out a crazy choke hold in order to win his fight, a standing submission if Iâ€™m not mistaken.”

And in EliteXC people won’t have to do that. The rules for Mayfield – Fujita had nothing to do with inactivity, but time spent on ground period. In reality, the EXC rule, from what we know so far, is a lot closer to the rules already in place in UFC, IFL etc; than it is to what PRIDE had for that fight. There are already regulations allowing the referree to stand fighters up because of inactivity, and all we know so far is EXC will put a time-limit on it, as opposed to having varied ref judgements decide for how long inactivity will be allowed to go on. Again, the clue to whether this rule can be a positive or not depends on further information about it’s excact wording and the referee’s understanding of what is actual stalling and what is slow progression that only looks like stalling to an untrained eye.

By: Zach Arnold

Zach Arnold — Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:01:55 +0000

Read the news before responding to it please, Arnold. Fujita vs. Mayfield had nothing to do with inactivity. What EXC are going to do is basically what IFL is already doing. It CAN work just fine, depending on COMPETENT REFEREES.

I read the news. There’s not a lot of difference between this gimmick and gimmicks in past freak show MMA fights with a similar time limit rule. Fujita had to pull out a crazy choke hold in order to win his fight, a standing submission if I’m not mistaken.

By: xx2000xx

xx2000xx — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:05:02 +0000

I think what will be interesting is how many times the ref will break it up when somebody is in side mount, and even full mount. I can just hear all the knowledgeable MMA fans groaning through their television, while the live audience cheers.

By: The MMa Critic

The MMa Critic — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:00:31 +0000

I will wait to see how they handle the ground fighting before I pass judgment.

1. If a fighter has half guard and they stand him up because of inactivity, then it isn’t MMA. If it is a complete stalemate in guard, that is a different thing. A time limit for ground fighting is a horrible idea though. Whether it be for how long they are on the ground, or for how active they are. Let a competant ref decide instead based on how the flow of the fight is going.

By: JThue

JThue — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:25:40 +0000

Read the news before responding to it please, Arnold. Fujita vs. Mayfield had nothing to do with inactivity. What EXC are going to do is basically what IFL is already doing. It CAN work just fine, depending on COMPETENT REFEREES.

By: Will Ziacoma

Will Ziacoma — Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:27:52 +0000

Even if they mean 15 seconds of inactivity, there will still be problems, guaranteed. Especially when you consider that inactivity is completely subjective. Given the state of the MMA refs we currently have to endure I can’t help but think this is going to be a disaster. Attempts to inhibit the ground game will do nothing but negatively effect the final product. I wonder if they are going to try to book Matt Lindland or other former wrestlers if they plan to curb the strengths of grapplers. Also, don’t the promoters realize that the ground game is what helps make MMA so much safer than boxing? To take away options from fighters in order to force what is perceived as a “more exciting” stand up fight is to drastically increase the likelyhood of serious injury.